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KHAAAN!!!
Khan wrote:Im in my 30's and truthfully I've always found it hard to speak or interact with people as such doing little things like making eye contact ive found quite difficult I mean i can make eye contact but not for very long as such i struggle with keeping a person interested in a topic. It always seems to me that when i talk to somone they arent interested and that my voice is terrible infact so much so that I hate it.
That's because you don't want to be having those conversations and are seizing on any and all excuses to self-sabotage your way out of them, no matter how lame. Instinctively you're lonely and miserable, but from your ego's perspective there is comfort to be had in the belief that your isolation is permanent and inescapable. "With great power comes great responsibility." If that's true, so is the logical reverse, "With no power comes no responsibility."

"Khan, it's raining out when I wanted it to be sunny and I'm holding you personally responsible."
"Mischief Maker, you're insane, I have no power over the weather and can't be held responsible for it."

"Khan, you're desperately lonely. You have to take the responsibility of approaching women, inviting them to join you on your life's journey, and giving her the option of turning you down."
"Mischief Maker, you're insane, my unsightly nose, jaw, and teeth, not to mention my terrible voice, make me powerless to approach women and I can't be held responsible for it."
Khan wrote:even when a girl starts talking to me i keep thinking that i have no chance with her and that I dont deserve her and after a few lines its like I dont know what to say and my mind goes blank,
The reason you run out of things to say is because you're being a phony. Instead of pursuing a life's journey that honestly excites you, you are going through the motions of what you're "supposed" to do, and instead of engaging with this woman, you're trying to model some guy you don't really want to be. This is a miserable situation and it's good that you're averse to it, the problem is you're mistakenly blaming this discomfort on the act of approaching women and not on the act of being a phony.

The essence of "creepiness" is doing something friendly that you don't want to do or don't think you deserve to do. This is why some men can be incredibly forward with women from the word "go" while other men creep women out just trying to make eye contact. Your actions are friendly and social, but her subconscious picks up on your misgivings and the incompatible signals creep her out. Your dysfunctional beliefs, not your looks, are the culprit here.
Khan wrote:I really dont know what to do instead im constantly on steam putting thousands of hours into video games and feeling like a nobody I guess once i get that surgery to fix my aesthetics i can be a little more confident, i have never met anyone like me or as shy which worries me alot because i guess there is something really wrong with me
If you're as difficult to approach as you indicate, what is the likelihood you and someone equally difficult to approach will bump into each other? Pretty frigging low.

If you're spending the majority of your time on escapism-related pursuits, like playing video games, it's because your situation is intolerable and you want to escape. Not necessarily escape from your job or physical location, though those could be factors, but escape from the current trajectory of your life. It's either turned out not to be what you want, or you never really wanted this life to begin with, but felt somehow obligated to pursue it. Adding a woman to this miserable situation will not solve your problems, it will just add a miserable woman to your list of problems. You need to tear up the map of the life you're "supposed" to live and come up with a new trajectory. Even if that makes your parents and peers uncomfortable. You need to find a new life's goal that is plausible, morally sound, and most importantly compelling to you. When I say compelling, I mean the idea of doing something like that should make you giddy as a child on christmas morning running to the tree.

Your ego will doubtlessly try to sabotage this life change. Sit down and physically write down all its excuses. "Oh I can't do that because I don't have X." "Oh I can't do that because Y would prevent me from accomplishing it." Now change those negatives into positive parts of this journey. "I need to get X or a suitable substitute in order to achieve my compelling goal." "Part of achieving my goal requires finding a way around Y" Make this mental change and suddenly your life becomes effortless.

What's more, a man who is on a journey that excites him excites women. Invite them to join in your journey. If she says no, she's not rejecting you as a person, she's saying the journey you're on isn't for her.

If instead you remain on this miserable life's vector and get that plastic surgery, you'll just turn into a miserable man with a strong chin and straight teeth who is still chickening out with women and running out of things to say.
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This has the possibility of taking away some potentially social time, but a good confidence booster can just be finding some meaningful activities that make you feel like you are improving yourself in some way. Exercise is one such activity which was already mentioned, and I can vouch for this too. I'm healthier but it also makes me feel better about standing up straight while walking and whatever.

Music was the other activity which helped me. I started learning to play piano about 4 or 5 years ago - I'm still mostly terrible but I have 5 or 6 songs I can play decently by heart. I'm perfectly happy to play alone and hear this music coming from my own hands, but whenever I bang out a few songs at house parties I can get some nice comments from the ladies. Of course there's always someone else at the party who proceeds to kick my ass at the keys, but just playing a nice song is usually enough to surprise someone and get them talking to you.

So just find some fun and meaningful hobby - music, photography, cooking, whatever. At the very least it adds one more facet to your personality that you can talk about.

And +1 on Mischief Maker. Get over yourself. Women aren't going to be comfortable with you until you are comfortable with yourself.
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...besides, being "attractive" is not really a relevant factor in, well, anything.

A nice face, but a poor attitude to interaction with others will ruin any type of human relation, from the mere sexual encounters to the most sophisticated intellectual friendships.
If you are shy, but you can be an awesome companion in the right environment, any person worth caring about will like you, which means that a woman will sooner or later love what you can offer her, provided that stop bothering about inessential factors like looks.

Aside this, keep in mind that there are certainly women in a similar condition to yours, so try to find a way to meet them, and solve the problem together. We're in 2013, and geeks are sexy, if not on the raise. My waifu knew that she wanted to marry me when I told her that I liked Clamp's works, after all ;)
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There have been some great comments in this thread, the only thing that I'll add is that physical exersise and a healthy diet can have a big effect on your mental state and ultimatly help with confidence. Working out and getting physical exercise is important not so much for "getting guns" or anything like that but for your own mental health. Maybe you already do these things, I don't know but they have really helped me with general "happiness", whatever-the-fuck that means...

As was said before, the fact that you are getting out there and trying to talk to people really makes a big difference. Oh and fuck plastic surgery and fuck South Korean-style "pure-blood" nationalism.
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Something to consider...

Not to stereotype, but aside from the uber-hot model type girls who have had every guy they meet trying to dry hump them since highschool, average girls are way more self conscious and have way more body self-image issues than you could ever have. When you are talking to them, they are likely just as nervous as you.
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scrilla4rella wrote: As was said before, the fact that you are getting out there and trying to talk to people really makes a big difference. Oh and fuck plastic surgery and fuck South Korean-style "pure-blood" nationalism.
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Stop putting girls on a pedestal, stop putting others on a pedestal. That's a good start.
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When you are talking to a girl pretend they are a best guy friend. Meaning speak casually, don't censor yourself or script what you intend to say, be friendly and try not to give a shit. This is confidence.

I had a lack of confidence for a number of years and passed up lots of opportunities like that particular one you mentioned, just tell yourself, fuck it. Fuck it. What is the worst that can happen?

Not that long ago I decided to say fuck it and it ended up working out extremely well for me ;)
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Meeting strangers in general will typically make anyone anxious, it's a natural human response.

If you're truly interested in meeting women, the best thing to do is go out and get involved with social groups for your hobbies. That way, you can meet people that you already know have similar interests as you, in an environment where you can get to know them without any romantic expectations, unlike speed dating or singles bars or whatever. Bars and clubs are terrible places to meet a potential dating partner.

I met my wife at work, but work relationships are often a terrible idea, so I can't really recommend it, but it gave me a chance to get to know her in a completely zero pressure situation, which meant we were both more relaxed and friendly than if we had met through a dating service or whatever.
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shmuppyLove wrote:Meeting strangers in general will typically make anyone anxious, it's a natural human response.
Yeah, a revelation was when I talked to a friend who was always very successful in dating. He admitted to being terrified in stepping up and talking to women who he didn't already know. And this was one of those super mainstream guys-- not a geek, not a nerd... somewhere inside of all of us is a well of social anxiety, and not practicing socializing just makes it come out more.

And socialization is all practice and tricks. Someone on this thread compared it with RPG skills, and that's dead on :) You seriously do level up.. like I used to be awful at small talk, and now I'm pretty sure I could carry on a conversation with even the least interesting person on the planet. And, trust me, if you have hobbies, you're already more interesting than a good number of people. I don't care if it's all just videogames, at least you're doing something other than throwing money at consumer goods and watching terrible TV.

Hmmmm I should've posted that on the shmup elitist thread ;)
Astraea FGA Mk. I wrote:When you are talking to a girl pretend they are a best guy friend. Meaning speak casually, don't censor yourself or script what you intend to say, be friendly and try not to give a shit. This is confidence.
Yeah, this is the truth. And also, be a good listener, and ask questions. Asking questions is also a really easy way to shift the conversation back to the other person (make *them* think of something to talk about), and it shows interest too.

EDIT: Also, EXERCISE. It's a great start to beating depression/anxiety. Instead of thinking "man, I'm really anxious", think, "man, I really need to go for a jog or something and burn off this stress"
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Hey OP, what do you do for work?

I was quite the shy youngster, I was an only child and didn't have a lot of friends, but when I was 19 some circumstances forced me to take a retail sales job where I was forced to interact with the public a lot. When I think about it, that one year at that job is what made me come out of my shell. If had continued to work in an IT type position I probably wouldn't have developed the people skills that I was lacking. Now I have a beautiful wife, a semi-successful part time music career, a good day job, lots of friends, etc...

Oh, and I still get to play video games. :mrgreen:
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Thanks for the advice guys, I dont have a problem speaking with guys I guess its because I dont feel like I want to jump into a bed with a guy I guess in a way like a friend told me im placing women on a pedestal.

I dont think im depressed since im quite happy go lucky I like to listen to music and even dance in the confines of my bedroom I do deeply desire female companionship before a few weeks ago I hardly ever went out unless it was just on my own to nip into town.
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Khan wrote:
I like to listen to music and even dance in the confines of my bedroom


:|

maybe join a theatrical society ? ? dunno.
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railslave wrote:
Khan wrote:
I like to listen to music and even dance in the confines of my bedroom
maybe join a theatrical society?? dunno.
or just continue to enjoy your music ;) (what music do you listen to?)
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No offense mate but you kinda sound like a wanker. :mrgreen:

Not that it's any of my business (nor do I want it to be) but if that is something you're into you might want to stop.

Yes, I do realize this is a somewhat controversial or unpopular opinion. Especially for people who have been brainwashed by feminist sex ed that masturbation is ok and everyone does it etc (all part of a big plan to semi-castrate men into a bunch of wankers).
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hermit crab wrote:No offense mate but you kinda sound like a wanker. :mrgreen:

Not that it's any of my business (nor do I want it to be) but if that is something you're into you might want to stop.

Yes, I do realize this is a somewhat controversial or unpopular opinion. Especially for people who have been brainwashed by feminist sex ed that masturbation is ok and everyone does it etc (all part of a big plan to semi-castrate men into a bunch of wankers).
Fun fact: You're objectively wrong!

Male masturbation has been proven to actually be good for you.

First, it increases the quality of your sperm, as they percieve it as having more competition. Now, if you don't ever want kids, this point is somewhat moot, but hey, can't hurt to have super sperm.

Additionally, it's also been shown that doing it actually reduces the risk for getting prostate cancer.

In other words, keep fapping if you're already doing so, and if you're not, hahahahahaha yeah as if anyone on this board isn't jacking it regularly.
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Do whatever you want as long as you're happy. If you're not, listen to your body and mind. Actual proof usually means assumptions based on limited data. You just gave us an example of it actually when you come to the conclusion that masturbation is "good for you" based on better sperm health and lower prostate cancer risk. Positive effects do not rule out negative ones, I mean by that logic smoking cigarettes would be "good for you" because of the benefits. But sure even moderation in moderation.
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hermit crab wrote:people who have been brainwashed by feminist sex ed that masturbation
Well to be fair I just sort of put my hands down my pants as a young lad and then nature took its course without the aid of any feminists... I mean I DID have Friday night BBC comedy on. Damn that patriarchal broadcasting! I could have been chaste!

Also I'm fairly sure you can't equate smoking cigarettes (which I did for over a decade) to having a quick wank on the "might be bad for you scale". I'm pretty sure that thinking is classed as being completely bonkers.
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Accept that you are unattractive to the majority of women, accept that when you talk to them, they are only interested in talking. Accept that your prospects are minimal at best. Now all the stress is gone and you can go on with life, and even talk to women.

Worked for me.
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hermit crab wrote:Especially for people who have been brainwashed by feminist sex ed that masturbation is ok and everyone does it etc (all part of a big plan to semi-castrate men into a bunch of wankers).
I knew it! The Feminists are in cahoots with the Communists in their goal of adulterating our precious bodily fluids!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0#t=56s
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hermit crab wrote:You just gave us an example of it actually when you come to the conclusion that masturbation is "good for you" based on better sperm health and lower prostate cancer risk. Positive effects do not rule out negative ones
Okay, here's a challenge: Link me to any scientific proof of just a single negative, globally applicable, effect of masturbation. Anything at all.

Bonus points if it's something that actually can outweigh lowering the risk of getting cancer. Seriously, how thick do you have to be to not agree with that that makes it objectively a good thing?
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Mischief Maker wrote:
hermit crab wrote:Especially for people who have been brainwashed by feminist sex ed that masturbation is ok and everyone does it etc (all part of a big plan to semi-castrate men into a bunch of wankers).
I knew it! The Feminists are in cahoots with the Communists in their goal of adulterating our precious bodily fluids!
Pretty sure the 4D lizards are involved somewhere too.
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tough topic to answer to but I can see where u come from with ur story so Ill try to make a list of what could help (im sure people gonna disapprove but w/e).

1) you are overthinking everything, as someone pointed it girls are scared as shit and over concerned as well.

2) forget about finding love you´re too stressed for that at the moment.
just think about it as a skill like ur dodging bullets skill.
in the end it´s all mechanical. hence number 3

3) sex isn´t sacred and if you´re scared you won´t know what to do go see a hooker (this might sound depressing but u are already at the bottom so no biggie)

4) your 1st time will suck.Period

5)forget about the flirt in libary,you´re too stressed to think clearly,keep the library for later hence number 6

6)meet girls in bars,there is a reason people do this:alcool lower inhibition and make u talkative.
think at this like a game,getting laid and seduction clearly can be mastered,like following patterns (and again Im not talking about finding love,just talking about breaking that wall u set in ur mind that getting laid is hard for u)

bar tips (Im pretty sure Im gonna sound like a douche after that)
-go with a friend,makes u look u have a life and are social
-stand up,don´t spend the night at an isolated table,impossible to communicate with people if your sat down like a recluse.
-be a jerk.
by this I don´t mean a true asshole I mean be responsive without agreeing to everything the girl say.
girls don´t really like yes bots.
-if talking to multiple girls speak with the ugliest one.
the pretty one will be upset and intrigued.
-about pretty girls: they are used not to be talked to cause people are scared as shit and think they are out of their league.
no one is out of your league.
And they will aknowledge your bravery.
-maths:the more you talk to the more chance you get (sad but true)
-never pay for drinks!!!! this is old and terrible (you can pay for a drink if you´re already a few hours in or both are heavy drinkers and pay rounds to eachothers)
really dont be a living wallet.
-be good at listening and stay cool.
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that said I agree that it feels better to seduce girl in a library sober but gotta go with small steps for you.

ps:you don´t need a therapist or chirugie this isn´t the answer.
pps: I have never tried dating sites but it seems that they could help.
ppps:once you´ll get laid you will think oh well what was all the fuzz about.

to conlude on a bright note as rocco siffredi once said:
when I meet a jerky overconfident pornstar I just finger her ass and show her her poo.
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@hermit crab: I'd agree with you if you were talking about porn instead of masturbation. Regular porn consumption does mess up with your brain and you'd do good if you cut it out completely.

Now for masturbation, there ARE some benefits for not wanking it for short periods of time, but never doing it again? Yeah that's too much.
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I'd like to congratulate the shmups community on stringing together nearly two pages of (mostly) intelligent and constructive conversation before allowing this thread to devolve into an off topic shit show on the pros and cons of masturbation and pornography consumption.
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gabe wrote:I'd like to congratulate the shmups community on stringing together nearly two pages of (mostly) intelligent and constructive conversation before allowing this thread to devolve into an off topic shit show on the pros and cons of masturbation and pornography consumption.
Is it a new record?? :D
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gabe wrote:I'd like to congratulate the shmups community on stringing together nearly two pages of (mostly) intelligent and constructive conversation before allowing this thread to devolve into an off topic shit show on the pros and cons of masturbation and pornography consumption.
Well, cutting down porn and masturbation will definitely make someone more motivated to go out and meet the ladies. So, not entirely off-topic.
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gabe wrote:I'd like to congratulate the shmups community on stringing together nearly two pages of (mostly) intelligent and constructive conversation before allowing this thread to devolve into an off topic shit show on the pros and cons of masturbation and pornography consumption.
I feel like this is a personal attack.
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drauch wrote:
gabe wrote:I'd like to congratulate the shmups community on stringing together nearly two pages of (mostly) intelligent and constructive conversation before allowing this thread to devolve into an off topic shit show on the pros and cons of masturbation and pornography consumption.
I feel like this is a personal attack.
I assure you it wasn't. My aim was humor, I apologize if I missed the mark.
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