I almost got attacked last night...

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:08 am

Ah, just have a little confidence, and use some judgement. Drunk guys are just that: "drunk". Coordination's low, and they're not thinking clearly. Couple clean shots to a drunk guy, and most of the time: that's it, over. I don't hit drunk people. I just try to walk away from them. If however, the person *isn't* drunk, then obviously be a little more careful. I don't want to give you bad advice, but... if someone just tries to hit you, or something for no reason, just attack them. Don't even think about his size, or your size. Just fucking go at em. I mean, who the hell are they? That's an insult to you. I have a temper for that sort of thing.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:20 am

jordy wrote:
Violence begets violence. Comments like yours make me really wonder how america has not swallowed itself up. Tell all the families of victims of schoolyard killings that a armed population is not such a bad thing. Guns are illegal where I come from and to the best of my knowledge there has never been an incident of a 5 year old shooting his classmates, etc. Coincidence??? I think not.

Sorry if this is a against the premise of the original thread.

First off, legal gun ownership has nothing to do with the actual crime rate. Australia banned private gun ownership and the crime rate went up. Explain that one. Outlawing guns just means law abiding people don't have guns, but criminals still do. All it does is create a black market, just like outlawing drugs does.

I'd also like to hear you explain your theory to the Jews that couldn't defend themselves after Hitler outlawed gun ownership.

Icecap Veiwin · Post by **Icecap Veiwin** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:27 am

I would just like to say, I completely support your buying a gun, Circuit. Just be sure to keep it clean, etc. Make sure it's a good gun! There are tons out there, just go to the local gunshop. I don't know if they let you test them, considering that I'm 14 and am not legally allowed to buy a gun, but as always, be sure to practice. </repeat of all gun advice in the thread>

Circuit, call this morbid, but I wish I was in your shoes. It's not exciting at all here. After all...DANGER IS MY MIDDLE NAME.

Well, not really.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:40 am

I second the gun. Or some other non-lethal means of defense. It's your vampiric arse or his, C.F. It's your constitutional right, and you don't sound like the kind of person who likes to show off his gun ownership. Make sure you get something with the right stopping power, just not a freaking machine gun or assault rifle.

Erm. Would you like to come work for my employer? The worst we get over here is customer hang-ups. No seriously. We need clean, dedicated and punctual reps. BADLY.

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:34 am

do what i do

carry a shank everywhere you go

jordy · Post by **jordy** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:46 am

Acid King wrote:
jordy wrote:
Violence begets violence. Comments like yours make me really wonder how america has not swallowed itself up. Tell all the families of victims of schoolyard killings that a armed population is not such a bad thing. Guns are illegal where I come from and to the best of my knowledge there has never been an incident of a 5 year old shooting his classmates, etc. Coincidence??? I think not.

Sorry if this is a against the premise of the original thread.
First off, legal gun ownership has nothing to do with the actual crime rate. Australia banned private gun ownership and the crime rate went up. Explain that one. Outlawing guns just means law abiding people don't have guns, but criminals still do. All it does is create a black market, just like outlawing drugs does.

I'd also like to hear you explain your theory to the Jews that couldn't defend themselves after Hitler outlawed gun ownership.

You assume to much my friend.

a) I was not referring to Australia.
b) I was not commenting on crime rate being porportional to handgun ownership.

Yes agreed, a black market situation can and will occur if something is outlawed. It would however limit the amount of accidential (and non-accidential) and uneccessary deaths caused as a result of guns.

No comment on victims of schoolyard killings??

And I dont believe Hilter's atrocious treatment of Jews would have been avoided if guns had not been outlawed.

Again...Peace.

J.

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:10 am

PaCrappa wrote:I'm not an advocate for martial arts! COMBAT SPORTS

My bad. I agree with PaCrappa's advice on COMBAT SPORTS.

Better?

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:21 am

Dave_K. wrote: Just curious, so how is nearly choking someone to death (cutting off their blood supply to the brain, possibly causing brain damage) any better? Just because it doesn't leave any real marks of a fight? Also how good do you need to be at Combat Sports to pull something like this off correctly without actually choking them to death?

Lawyers. It's all about the lawyers.

While you can be taken to court for "use of a deadly weapon" when you are a blackbelt (weapon = you). If you use a gun, you most likely are going to court (some states are worse than others). If the intruder doesn't take you to court the county might (see evanston, oakpark, and a few other of the suburbs of that POS city called Chicago).

I hate lawyers.

the US is fucked up.. over here getting a gun isnt even an option.

your gunlaws are fucked up beyond recognition when even the kid at the gas-station is packing.

i dont even know anyone that knows anyone that owns a gun, think about it...

It has nothing to do with gun laws. I guarantee you the kid didn't have a carry permit, or a license (if either are needed in that state). It was a hot weapon with the serial probably scraped off.

It's fucked to be able to buy guns at "supermarkets"!

What super market can you buy a gun at?

Yes agreed, a black market situation can and will occur if something is outlawed. It would however limit the amount of accidential (and non-accidential) and uneccessary deaths caused as a result of guns.

Better ban knives. And cars (those kill ALOT more). And chicken bones (don't want anyone choking). And slippery bath tubs. And ladders. And bats. And ... (yes, being sarcastic here, but still somewhat serious)

umi · Post by **umi** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:27 am

Add this thread to the 'List of Reasons Why America Sucks'... :/ Kinda weak... don't become a part of the problem. Honestly... does America LIKE being a laughing stock? Some of the gun laws in some of those states (among other laws...)... OMG. Bleh :P

p.s. I agree with above posters, be 1337 and learn a deadly martial art (forget "combat sports" :P)

ArrogantBastard · Post by **ArrogantBastard** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:51 am

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:Dude, I thought you were a fucking vampire!!! You're imortal aren't you!? And you're afriad of some bruised knuckles?
Just fly up in the air and bite the guys neck off completely...that way he won't become a blood sucking beast of the night as well.

Quoted for truth.

Invest in a high quality Vampire teeth that will allow you to penetrate and rip out the flesh with ease.

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:38 am

umi wrote:Add this thread to the 'List of Reasons Why America Sucks'... :/ Kinda weak... don't become a part of the problem.

Predicting start of thread lock material.

I like tacos.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:03 am

Tacos for teh win!

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:16 am

umi wrote:Add this thread to the 'List of Reasons Why America Sucks'... :/ Kinda weak... don't become a part of the problem. Honestly... does America LIKE being a laughing stock? Some of the gun laws in some of those states (among other laws...)... OMG. Bleh

Everyone picks on America. Truth is, there's no perfect government out there, and there never will be. They're all corrupt ass holes. Kind of why I didn't vote this past election: HMMM, LET'S SEE: BUSH, or KERRY... what a lose, lose situation that was... Anyway, I don't like guns, nor do I own / want to own one, but I like having the OPTION to do so. I don't like some higher authority telling me that I CAN'T own a gun. I mean, cars kill people. Should we outlaw cars? What about alcohol? I think it would be a good idea to outlaw water. A lot of people drowning these days. Fire for that matter's a pretty serious killer too. Better rip down those fireplaces. Please. Guns are already in existance, and in the hands of the people we don't want having them. Should we outlaw guns so people can't defend themselves? Granted, we could use more restriction on guns, and people need to stop being irresponsible ass holes once they own a gun. (leaving guns in baby cribs and shit) Anyway, fight like a man. I've always seen guns as a cowardly way out, unless I'm being shot at heh. People these days are too quick to shoot.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:51 am

Neither a car or water were made for the single reason of killing.

All this shows how much fucked up the world is, and the solution isn't buying a gun OR outlawing them (Though I believe in an advanced society, there are no need of fire arms - they should not *just* be outlawed, they should just stop being produced at all, and all existing ones should be destroyed). You can go on and discuss as much as you want about this subject, and no one will ever agree (Or indeed get a much valid point) because that's not the real problem.

Many years ago, humanity made a big step in evolution - while all other animals were afraid of fire, we got close of it up until we controlled it.

We are still waiting for the next step.

Maybe when we stop looking at our own bellies and notice that we are all together in the same ship, and this ship is sunking FAST, things may start to change.

And the situation is going to get worse in the next few years... I won't be surpised if up until 2010 we see nazi-alike groups getting stronger all around the world, intolerance between people gets higher, and people start going completely blind because of stupid religions that celebrate violence.

http://www.humanistmovement.org/

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:29 pm

Dude, I thought you were a fucking vampire!!! You're imortal aren't you!? And you're afriad of some bruised knuckles?
Just fly up in the air and bite the guys neck off completely...that way he won't become a blood sucking beast of the night as well.

Just in case let me make it clear that i'm not some preteen who runs around telling people he's a vampire. I just like that site and gothy stuff - just like 95% of the 383,327 other members that go there. I think it's cool and it's part of my personal taste and that's all.

And i'm not 'afraid' of getting into a fight any more than the next guy is. I just dont talk myself up like i'm some super badass.

Really not sure if you where being funny or being a dick there...

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:58 pm

lol funny a thread with ju-jitsu practioners I thought me and PA were the only ones Didn't know about ramus. I'm a Kaizen practioner myself, basically brazilian with traditional dentokan, and live stand up. works pretty well comfortable on ground, close range and long range. I need to learn thai just to get knees and elbows, Have a mma tourney in 5 weeks if anyone cares.

If someone has a weapon it just not worth getting killed over a few quid, run like fuk. 1 on 1 and no cameras/witnesses, go for it

Belfast at night is eventful.

Accutron · Post by **Accutron** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:18 pm

A drunk guy curses you, apologizes profusely then whines about his crappy life....so you're gonna buy a gun. Interesting leap of logic.

If that really makes sense to you, don't worry about stopping power. Most people wither at the sight of any gun. Get something like a 9-shot .22LR revolver. Extreme reliability, range and accuracy, good capacity, negligible recoil, ammo is dirt cheap (centerfire ammo is quite expensive), and you're less likely to kill somebody on accident. Go to a firing range, learn the proper way to handle and clean the gun...lessons never hurt. Don't mess with larger calibers until you have some experience on the small stuff. Whatever you do, don't become yet another inexperienced jackass carrying around a nickel-plated .50cal desert eagle.

For stopping power (in case you run into a PCP-crazed rhinoceros), don't bother with a handgun. Get a 12ga shotgun...a good, reliable pump, like a Remington 870 or similar. Get the shortest barrel you can find...probably 18". You can choose light loads, heavy loads, duck shot, buck shot, slugs, whatever. You can even mix it up with some light shot in front to scare off the hippies, then finish off with some slugs to take out hordes of cyberdemons. No conventional handgun delivers as much force as a 12ga 1.25 oz deer slug.

As far as moving away from Phoenix, don't bother. Drunk people stumble into gas stations all over the world...the curse words are just different. Seek a new profession instead.

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:50 pm

Accutron wrote:A drunk guy curses you, apologizes profusely then whines about his crappy life....so you're gonna buy a gun. Interesting leap of logic.

You should read back through this thread a little more thoroughly... i can tell because when speaking to me about gun safety you're preaching to the choir. Dude, i've HAVE been attacked twice and nearly attacked around ten times in the last 3 years. That's not counting all the other incidents like robberies and vandalisms that have happened of and to my personal possesions. This city is fucking nuts and i'm not staying here anymore. I'm sure as hell glad i didn't move to L.A... but until January 16th i will be carrying a firearm on my person at all times.

Besides guys and gals, buying a gun is a smart thing to do whether you've been attacked or not. What are you gonna do when you walk into a public restroom with only that one exit, you start taking a piss and suddenly theres some 250 pound psycho with a knife held out at you standing in front of the door? You think you're screams are going to be heard in time for someone to save you from being stabbed or would you rather count on the 9mm under your shirt?

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:07 pm

circuitface wrote:
Dude, I thought you were a fucking vampire!!! You're imortal aren't you!? And you're afriad of some bruised knuckles?
Just fly up in the air and bite the guys neck off completely...that way he won't become a blood sucking beast of the night as well.
Just in case let me make it clear that i'm not some preteen who runs around telling people he's a vampire. I just like that site and gothy stuff - just like 95% of the 383,327 other members that go there. I think it's cool and it's part of my personal taste and that's all.

And i'm not 'afraid' of getting into a fight any more than the next guy is. I just dont talk myself up like i'm some super badass.

Really not sure if you where being funny or being a dick there...

Nah man...I was just joking around.
I realize that youre not a pre-teen vampire.

For what its worth, I avoid fighting as well. And yes...I DO care about bruised knuckles!!! How am I supposed to supply Vodkatron with some cool guitar playing with fucked up broken fingers!?

As for fighting...when/ if I ever "have to" (no choice/backed into corner) I prefer to use grappling moves, and I will aim an open hand to the nose!!!
Kick the fucker's knee caps in!!! They'll have a limp for life. They will remember you!!!

Again, I always will try to avoid confrontations though. But if someone dosen't allow me, its either me, or them...I'd rather it be them!

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:54 pm

Dave_K. wrote:Just curious, so how is nearly choking someone to death (cutting off their blood supply to the brain, possibly causing brain damage) any better? Just because it doesn't leave any real marks of a fight? Also how good do you need to be at Combat Sports to pull something like this off correctly without actually choking them to death?

First of all Dave, it seems like you think I might be some kind of meathead running around town looking for an opportunity to stir up shit and choke some random dillweeds. Not the case. I don't fight in public. It's pointless. As long as someone isn't hurting my family or any of my friends that I believe can't properly defend his or her self, I have no reason to fight. These things have never happened and my last "streetfight" was in the summer of 1993. In the words of Cedric the Entertainer, "I'm a grownass man dog".

How is gently choking someone to sleep better than blasting their guts onto the pavement? I think Seth (edit: It was Landshark) covered that pretty well. If I can put someone down and be long gone before they wake up then I win. Nobody is hurt, I'm free from the situation. What could be better? On the other hand if I blast some Richie Rich fuckass and he hires the ghost of Johnny Cochran, how fucked am I? Right or wrong, within the law or without, I'm in court for what could be years. I don't really think I have time for that stuff.

I see someone said that folks should pick up "deadly martial arts" and "forget the combat sports". That was good for a laugh. Allow me to explain. When a martial artist has a technique so deadly that it kills, who do you suppose he's practiced that on? That's right, nobody. That's the grand joke of the concept of "deadly martial arts". Do you really need to pay a guy to tell you how to gouge eyes, break fingers, poke windpipes or kick someone in the nuts? No.

On the reverse side, most of the combat sports I can think of, and definitely all of the grappling ones (judo, sambo, both common forms of traditional wrestling, catch wrestling and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) make their practitioners spar at full throttle. Why? Because it's a sport. You train to win, not to kill. In my sport, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, one wins by applying a submission hold that the opponent/sparring partner cannot escape from. BJJ is mostly upper body stuff so we'll just say you win by applying a choke or an armlock. No exaggeration, in 2005 I must've choked to submission in various ways, a good three dozen guys who were also training to win, knew what they were doing and were fighting their hardest to do the same shit to me. Take that to a guy who has never trained (most drunken fools on the street who menace people) or is full of his deadly handblock monkeyswitch double flying horseman crableg walk karate technique that he's never even practiced on a fully resisting foe, and it makes for a pretty one sided confrontation. And just so everybody knows, YES, I get my ass royally kicked at least once a day by at least one of teammates. I have more friends that can whoop my ass than friends that can't.

That is the difference between "deadly martial arts" and "combat sports". And I've had muchas opportunity to explore the nuances of this difference because we get arrogant karate/kung fu guys at the academy fairly often that hem and haw about wearing a BJJ white belt because they're a black belt in some hella rowdy style of kenpo or whatever. When it comes time for sparring, our American teacher will usually put them against one of our smallest guys and watch the comedy unfold. Anyone who has never grappled seriously can usually be pretty easily dominated by someone who has been seriously grappling for sport for just a few months.

I'm not qualified to say much about the striking sports but I certainly believe that most boxers and kickboxers that train seriously to fight in the ring would handily waste most practitioners of "deadly martial arts". Even Bruce Lee said nobody punches faster or more powerfully than the western boxer.

Anyway though, like I said. I'm nice. And if I had a choice between acting as Circuit did or fighting the guy, I would go the way CF did. Every time. I like rough sports. Not unchecked aggression. That's why I'm not a bouncer.

BTW, I really dig guns. If they weren't mostly used for killing other human beings I'd be deeply into them. As it stands, I've owned a lovely Italian Baretta 92FS 9mm since 1992. It's a great gun and in thirteen years of target parctice it has never ever jammed. I've never pointed it at anyone and it has resided about ten miles away in my storage for the last five years. There's no reason for it to be here with me. I wish there was no guns in the USA at all.

Stop the Violence.

Pa

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:46 pm

Shatterhand wrote:And the situation is going to get worse in the next few years... I won't be surpised if up until 2010 we see nazi-alike groups getting stronger all around the world, intolerance between people gets higher, and people start going completely blind because of stupid religions that celebrate violence.

Yup. Religion: The number one killer. It's okay though, because it's IN THE NAME OF GOD. haha *headache becomes worse*

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:03 pm

What is it with humans that we must see our current situation as the low point of history? Is it just the desire to be a part of something important?

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:09 pm

Yeah - i remember back in the eighties when we thought we'd have flying cars by now and the end of the world was gonna be in 2000. lol

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:16 pm

circuitface wrote:Yeah - i remember back in the eighties when we thought we'd have flying cars by now and the end of the world was gonna be in 2000. lol

What are you talking about? My car flys!

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:21 pm

No your car IS fly...

heh heh... I'm so eighties today.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:35 pm

sethsez wrote:What is it with humans that we must see our current situation as the low point of history? Is it just the desire to be a part of something important?

Maybe because in the last 250 years everything has only gone downhill?

I dont know if it is *THE* low point, but you can hardly say its a high point either.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:39 pm

Depends. Low compared to what? I guess if you're a social conservative then every moment is going to be the lowest moment in humanity (that pretty much goes along with being a conservative), but I'm really not seeing how things are so terrible comparitively.

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:55 pm

Shatterhand wrote: Maybe because in the last 250 years everything has only gone downhill?

I dont know if it is *THE* low point, but you can hardly say its a high point either.

Yeah, it's lower.

The average lifespan is 10s of years higher than 250 years ago. We have cures for most diseases that would have wiped you out by your 20s. We have technology that allows us to not spend our entire days farming food and rebuilding our shelters. We can actually do other things than work because of it. We can travel the world in a matter of hours where it would have taken you days to get a few cities over.

Any history buffs here? What were we doing 250 years ago? What european countries were invading what asian countries? What countries were fighting other countries. etc etc etc...

Were a violent species, it's just how it is.

Lets see... religious rule was MUCH more prevalent back then (hard to imagine really). Science? The mere word would get you killed.

No, we don't have everything right. But all in all, were better off now than then.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:35 am

Excellent response Pa. My post was more curious than accusing. Just wondering how good you have to be trained before even thinking of doing a sleeper hold in a real fight (for fear of really choking someone to death).

Anyway, my office mate at work is also into BJJ suprisingly enough, and speaks the same praises as you. He's the nicest guy you'd ever meet, although I wouldn't want to run up against him either in a real fight.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:45 am

landshark wrote:a good post

Yes, but you see, we weren't around back then to expereience it so it's just statistics and stuff in museums. But our problems today are real!!!

I think many people have a mentality of "it happened before I was born so it doesn't count."