I almost got attacked last night...

[JBC]

I really feel kinda sore about this so i'll try to make it short.

I was sitting outside the station smoking and i hear a ruckus on the other side of the building. Some drunk guy comes around the corner and i say 'What's up, guy?' as friendly as normal. The guy retorts 'FUCK YOU!'. I, amazed at the sheer idiocy of what just happened replied, "What?"..."FUCK YOU!" he says. Then he runs over and gets up in my face.

I push him out of the way with my shoulder and said 'Get outta my face!' and headed inside. Suddenly he realizes that i work there and starts pleading with me not to call the cops on him and apologizing. I wasn't even gonna call the cops anyway... but then the guy starts throwing money on the counter and saying he'll give me money not to call the police. I threw the money back at him and said 'I dont want your money - get out of the store!'

He doesn't leave - instead he sits there spilling his heart out about how he just got his third DUI and that he's in the army and now he'll get a dishonorable discharge. As if i would care seeing as how this is some fuck who drives drunk and takes his aggresion out on innocents so i cut him off and i'm like, 'So thats what you do? You take your problems out on people who mind their own buisness?'

The guy finally leaves after apologizing like three more times.

Man... this city is bullshit. This is not the first incident i've had like this, either. I know this is going to upset a few but i've made up my mind. I'm buying a gun. What if that guy hadn't gotten scared? What if he was like 5 times my size? Screw that.

Anyway let's try not to turn this into a gun-control flame war thread, ok?

And i apologize for my shitty sentence structure and spelling on this one. Normally i'm pretty good about that stuff but i just don't feel like paying attention right now.

[The n00b]

Yeah that's why I never want to work in a gas station. Gas stations always attract weirdos.

[PaCrappa]

Some pathetic drunk guy cusses at you and you think you might have to off somebody? I know you were/are scared but that's weak.

I suggest Brazilian Jiu Jitsu instead. It's an important skill that you can use in many situations. Choking someone to sleep is much easier to explain your way out of than "He cursed me so I blasted his ass officer. I was worried."

Pa

[Valgar]

Kicking people in the groin works really well.

[Super Laydock]

Kicking people in the groin works really well.

Only a woman could say such a nasty thing!

[JBC]

Some pathetic drunk guy cusses at you and you think you might have to off somebody? I know you were/are scared but that's weak.

I suggest Brazilian Jiu Jitsu instead. It's an important skill that you can use in many situations. Choking someone to sleep is much easier to explain your way out of than "He cursed me so I blasted his ass officer. I was worried."

Pa

Well i didn't mean i was gonna off someone if they cussed at me, Pa. I meant that if i ever got into a potentially fatal situation with someone worse that i would pop one in em'. This guy was around my size... but if he had been bigger and had an axe what would i have done then Push him off me? I doubt that would go over well.

Even if i do have to draw on someone then i'll just threaten to shoot there knees and detain them until the police arrive.

[Klatrymadon]

Do what I do: don't talk to anyone, ever, unless they directly address you and it's imperative that you give them a response.

Your going outside/oddball harassment ratio should change dramatically overnight.

Failing that, unleash the fury.

[Super Laydock]

Well i didn't mean i was gonna off someone if they cussed at me, Pa. I meant that if i ever got into a potentially fatal situation with someone worse that i would pop one in em'. This guy was around my size... but if he had been bigger and had an axe what would i have done then Push him off me? I doubt that would go over well.

Even if i do have to draw on someone then i'll just threaten to shoot there knees and detain them until the police arrive.

Getting a gun should be a last resort, even as a means of deterrence. I could be an accident waiting to happen. When threatening someone with a gun, you could be forced to shoot and hit him the knees or something if the person doesn't do as told. You could face a lawsuit having you pay him money for the rest of his/her life. That sort of scumbags aren't worth that.

I understand it's a gasstation you work in.
Doesn't the station have an easy alarm system? Why are you not behind bullet proof glass or something, that would eliminate the need for gun protection to a large degree. Just asking, I don't know the exact situation you work in.

[Ramus]

HAHAHA! Bullet-proof glass? If the gas station is owned by someone like the cheap bastards that own gas stations here, then Cicuit has no choice but to punch the guy square in the nose and hope the blood pooring out of his nose blinds him long enough for Circuit to get away. Putting in alarm systems and other luxurious security precautions like that cost a lot of money. Sorry about your bad experience Circuit. Follow the sucker punch to the nose with a punch to the gut then stomp on the guy's little toes. Kicks to the groin work too. Using these cheap-ass tactics can bring any man down. Punching the throat works wonders. Try using two fingers to poke the guy right in the middle of the throat. That shit hurts, trust me.

[PaCrappa]

Man. There are people who would just take that silly gun away from a kid who's scared to use it. You'd be better off building your own confidence. And anyway, what do you tell the cops after you shoot an unarmed man? Or some stupid guy with an axe (LOL) that you could have just run from?

This isn't "Damnation Alley" starring Jan-Michael Vincent. You bring a gun into a real life equation and you might suddenly find yourself far deeper in bullshit than you can even begin to comprehend from your current vantage point.

Boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Pick one. Get confident. Kick ass. If you get shot, at least you went out like a man. If you beat the living tar out of some stupid inbred fuck, at least you don't face a murder charge.

Pa

[Ramus]

Man. There are people who would just take that silly gun away from a kid who's scared to use it. You'd be better off building your own confidence. And anyway, what do you tell the cops after you shoot an unarmed man? Or some stupid guy with an axe (LOL) that you could have just run from?

This isn't "Damnation Alley" starring Jan-Michael Vincent. You bring a gun into a real life equation and you might suddenly find yourself far deeper in bullshit than you can even begin to comprehend from your current vantage point.

Boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Pick one. Get confident. Kick ass. If you get shot, at least you went out like a man. If you beat the living tar out of some stupid inbred fuck, at least you don't face a murder charge.

Pa

Ya, if you take some sort of fighting training, make sure to take one with grappling tactics. When shit goes down, the fight goes to the ground really quick. Ju jitsu is nice because it focuses on getting the guy to the ground then using torture holds and bone-breaking tricks to take the advantage. I've taken ju jitsu for five years now; it's feels good to make a 6'4 ripped guy to beg for mercy. Fuckers think they are all hard until they realize they are about to have two broken arms. I love kicking ass

[Michaelm]

I know this is going to upset a few but i've made up my mind. I'm buying a gun. What if that guy hadn't gotten scared? What if he was like 5 times my size? Screw that.

Why don't you buy some teargas and a bat or something ? Atleast its less lethal. As to protect yourself if your mind loses control and your instinct takes the upper hand.

[TWITCHDOCTOR]

That guy's an accident waiting to happen. He obviously doesn't learn his lessons very well! 3 DUI's/DWI's? Thats automatic prison time here in the state of Texas.

One thing about guns though...if you pull one out, you must be prepared to use it! Nobody hates a chicken shit more than some asshole waving a gun around.
Also, don't forget it can be used against you!!! Maybe take the other posters advice to heart. Don't even bother talking to anybody. It might seem awkward, but maybe its the best advice to offer in this type of situation.

I actually had a similar experience with some drunk asshole. Anyway, I was minding my own business and he confronted me. I didn't even make eye contact with the guy, but he was looking for a fight anyway.
It was at a gas station at around 11:45 at night(beer run for me) and he just shouts at me, "Hey! Wanna Fight!? I wanna fight somebody!" I replied, NO! I didn't come here for that.
Then he started eyeballing my Chevelle while I was inside...fucking dick was probably jealous or something.

[Super Laydock]

HAHAHA! Bullet-proof glass? If the gas station is owned by someone like the cheap bastards that own gas stations here, then Cicuit has no choice but to punch the guy square in the nose and hope the blood pooring out of his nose blinds him long enough for Circuit to get away. Putting in alarm systems and other luxurious security precautions like that cost a lot of money.

That doesn't sound too good.

In my neighbourhood a lot (most if not all, I believe) major gasstations have
this bulletproof glass. It's a small price to pay against the inevitable robberies and potential hurt that can be done to your employees. Same goes for an alarm system. Innitial investment hefty, but these things always pay back in the long run imo.

Anyway if these meassures are no options, than I guess at least some other protection should come. Whether in the form of a gun or some bad-ass Jiu Jitsu/Kung Fu skills is something you can decide the best for yourself.

Telling them you've shot up a lot of nasties before (leaving in the middle whether they were pixelated or not), would not neccesarily be a lie coming from this forum now would it.

Sometimes a baseball bat could help too btw.

[Ramus]

I know this is going to upset a few but i've made up my mind. I'm buying a gun. What if that guy hadn't gotten scared? What if he was like 5 times my size? Screw that.

Why don't you buy some teargas and a bat or something ? Atleast its less lethal. As to protect yourself if your mind loses control and your instinct takes the upper hand.

A bat? That's just as bad as a gun. With the adrenaline pumping and a well engineered club in hand, it would be more merciful to shoot the guy. Stick with your fists, that way you don't get assualt with a deadly waepon. Teargas? Is he supposed to put on his gas mas before he gasses him too?

'Sir... please wait here a moment while I put this mask on.'

'Uh... why do you need a mask?'

'So when I gas you, it will not affect me.'

'Okay, just let me know when I should start pummeling you.'

Go with Pa's suggestion.

[PFG 9000]

I would actually support Circuit's purchase of a firearm, provided he gets the proper training and legal authorization along with it. At best, he won't ever need it. At worst, it will be an equal fight.

And it wouldn't hurt to take some self defense classes as well.

[The n00b]

Sure it's not fancy ju jitsu or whatever other martial art of the anime of the week, but have you tried weight lifting? It gives you confidence to diffuse a volitile situation and it's not so bad in the ass kicking category either. I don't think anyone can argue that a guy like Henry Rollins needs jiu jitsu to be intimidating.

[JBC]

Well, in this particular situation i was minding my own buisness. I didn't even know that guy was there until he yelled 'Fuck you' at me.

As far as the gun goes - what if it wasn't me who was being attacked? What if it was my wife?

I'll gladly go to jail if it meant something like that.

[Ramus]

Sure it's not fancy ju jitsu or whatever other martial art of the anime of the week, but have you tried weight lifting? It gives you confidence to diffuse a volitile situation and it's not so bad in the ass kicking category either. I don't think anyone can argue that a guy like Henry Rollins needs jiu jitsu to be intimidating.

Ju jitsu shows that size doesn't matter. It uses angles, positioning, and common sense rather than brute strength. Henry Rollins will still beg if you bend his fingers back or get him into any postion where bodyparts bend the wrong way. Being big gives false confidence and you will make stupid mistakes. Be careful if you decide to do that.

[Ramus]

Well, in this particular situation i was minding my own buisness. I didn't even know that guy was there until he yelled 'Fuck you' at me.

As far as the gun goes - what if it wasn't me who was being attacked? What if it was my wife?

I'll gladly go to jail if it meant something like that.

Ya, if someone is after your wife and/or kids, all bets are off. Unload the whole clip into the bastards skull.

[Neo Rasa]

I would actually support Circuit's purchase of a firearm, provided he gets the proper training and legal authorization along with it. At best, he won't ever need it. At worst, it will be an equal fight.

And it wouldn't hurt to take some self defense classes as well.

I was going to say the same thing. I didn't read Circuit's post as saying that he would get a gun specifically to shoot people that say something mean to him.

I'd say it's worth owning if you're willing to shoulder the responsibility that goes along with it. I'd make some kind of self defense class a top priority though, or as others said even some basic weight training. I know the confidence and frame of mind both of those instill has helped me defuse plenty of situations quickly would have otherwise escelated into physical violence.

So more recently it's about my presentation rather than the content. I usually end up being the person at my job that drops off the deposit because I don't "look like the kind of person people look at and go 'hey let's attack that guy.'" Obviously size isn't going to be relevant in the long run like Ramus says but it's one thing you could do among many.

I don't mean that in a bragging way, just to say that while I support you getting a firearm Circuit, it really needs to be your absolute last resort behind other options. I don't know where you live but around here you can go into most stores and pick up some pepper spray. Legal, very easy to use, and you're not going to get in trouble with the police for using it if some guy tries to attack you. You can even take courses about all the legal technicalities that do exist around it so you can remain untouchable.

[professor ganson]

Circuit, don't get a gun; get a car (if you don't have one already) and drive away from that place. Move to Nebraska or Alaska or something. Of course, I realize it's not that simple, but it sounds like it's not good for your psyche to be in that place.

[PaCrappa]

Sure it's not fancy ju jitsu or whatever other martial art of the anime of the week, but have you tried weight lifting? It gives you confidence to diffuse a volitile situation and it's not so bad in the ass kicking category either. I don't think anyone can argue that a guy like Henry Rollins needs jiu jitsu to be intimidating.

LOL, we get all kinds of big muscleheads at Seattle Gracie Barra. They come in hard, I send 'em home soft. Fancy big muscles only slow you down if you have no technique.

In addition to the four I previously mentioned (none of which are martial arts, but combat sports - very very different) Judo is a fantasticly effective style on the street.

Weapons are just not a viable answer unless you're sneaking up on someone else and you know you'll get away with it. Better to develop yourself than to buy a near useless accoutrement. This ain't Red Dawn starring C. Thomas Howell and Patrick Swayze.

Pa

[Michaelm]

Teargas? Is he supposed to put on his gas mas before he gasses him too?

'Sir... please wait here a moment while I put this mask on.'

'Uh... why do you need a mask?'

'So when I gas you, it will not affect me.'

'Okay, just let me know when I should start pummeling you.'

Go with Pa's suggestion.

Well here in the Netherlands it's illegal to own them but you can buy these little spraybottles with teargas in them for which you don't need a mask.
If you spray that in someones eyes he'll be blinded for a little time allowing you to run away or whatever action suits the situation.
Only downside is that if you use it indoors it will smell a bit ugly for several hours. Even in a small room one would have to use several of those spraybottles before the room would be saturated enough for the sprayer to become inflicted.

[Ramus]

Wow, never knew that. That's pretty neat stuff it seems. Maybe he should try that then.

[Neo Rasa]

LOL, we get all kinds of big muscleheads at Seattle Gracie Barra. They come in hard, I send 'em home soft. Fancy big muscles only slow you down if you have no technique.

The number of "big muscleheads" in this area is hilarious. Bunch of chumps that can barely bend their arms.

Also it's good to know others think about Damnation Alley and Red Dawn now and then.

[Neo Rasa]

Wow, never knew that. That's pretty neat stuff it seems. Maybe he should try that then.

Most of them are so efficient because they're not really "tear gas" per se, but some kind of tear gas/pepper spray/whatever hybrid. Very effective though. The "pepper spray" causes extreme eye irritation, tear gas causes uncontrollable tearing along with extreme facial irritation.


The infamous Mace claims to do both:

http://www.pimall.com/nais/mace.html

[JBC]

Actually me and my wife have been talking ever since the last time i got in a fight. We're moving back to Mississippi in January or February.

I totally agree with you that it's not good for my mind... i just can't stand all this violence anymore! I feel afraid for her and i'm sick of random junkies and drunks thinking they can just attack normal people!

And don't worry - to get a concealed weapons license in Arizona you have to take training courses. I certainly can't just walk around with it hanging off my hip or chest because that's just asking for trouble in another form...

I've actually been around guns all my life. My dad is this big time game hunter back home so needless to say i've had the fear of god knocked into me about guns since i was little. I am also very expierienced in handling them and would never draw one on another person unless it was ABSOLUTLEY NESCESSARY.

I am going to go buy myself a personal handgun, though - just in case. My life just drags me into to many bad situations. One day it will be worse - i can feel it.

[JBC]

Watch... i'm gonna be the next Burt Gummer.

[The n00b]

Sure it's not fancy ju jitsu or whatever other martial art of the anime of the week, but have you tried weight lifting? It gives you confidence to diffuse a volitile situation and it's not so bad in the ass kicking category either. I don't think anyone can argue that a guy like Henry Rollins needs jiu jitsu to be intimidating.

LOL, we get all kinds of big muscleheads at Seattle Gracie Barra. They come in hard, I send 'em home soft. Fancy big muscles only slow you down if you have no technique.

In addition to the four I previously mentioned (none of which are martial arts, but combat sports - very very different) Judo is a fantasticly effective style on the street.

Weapons are just not a viable answer unless you're sneaking up on someone else and you know you'll get away with it. Better to develop yourself than to buy a near useless accoutrement. This ain't Red Dawn starring C. Thomas Howell and Patrick Swayze.

Pa

I didn't say he had to be a body builder. He would just have enough muscles to be intimidating. Having so many muscles that you have to walk sideways to get through doorways is kinda stupid. It's all show.

Ju jitsu shows that size doesn't matter. It uses angles, positioning, and common sense rather than brute strength. Henry Rollins will still beg if you bend his fingers back or get him into any postion where bodyparts bend the wrong way. Being big gives false confidence and you will make stupid mistakes. Be careful if you decide to do that.

And you don't think your fancy martial art gives you false confidence and makes you prey to stupid mistakes? Forumers I point you to the episode of the office where Michael proceeds to lay the smackdown on an employee who thinks he is a karate hero.

Martials arts gives you confidence much like weight lifting and various other athletic activities. It's far from a sure thing though. Not everyone can be the next Chuck Norris or Bruce Lee. Also martial arts doesn't always work the way you see it in anime or the movies. BTW I am really surprised no one mentioned taking a long sword or katana to work which is mostly what these arguments devolve into on gamefaqs.

I actually remember a friend ,who's 5'5 130 something pounds, who beat the crap out of a bouncer who was being a bully at a party. Now the bouncer is big and took some nice martial arts classes but my friend still beat the crap out of him? How? My friend is a nasty asshole who bites, kicks, scratches, and headbutts. Basically it would have been like fighting a wolverine. This doesn't mean this dude is such a badass or that the bouncer was a poor martial artist, I'm just mentioning it because it is a good example of how martial arts is not a sure thing. Neither is street fighting or being "big."

If circuitface wants something that's "more" of a sure thing, he should probably just buy a gun or, a safer option, ask his employer to put in a nice alarm system.