Raiden 2 or Fighters serie.. Tips please :)

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Hi!
I have the opportunity to get a raiden 2 pcb or raiden fighters.
I am really curious about the raiden series and would like to recive some tips on wich to get :)

Raiden fighters series seems to be filled with secrets and other fun, but also more expensive and probably more difficult as well.

Wich would you get if you could choose from raiden 2 or one of the fighters serie?

On a side note.. Does raiden 2 lack ending? I read that somewhere.. Just a second loop with no secrets or true bosses ect?

Thanks!
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Go for the Gold, '88 Games!

Edit: If you are looking for pricing information to make sure you don't overpay, check out the Trading Station.

Otherwise you should just load up an emulator to see which appeals to you best.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Go for the Gold, '88 Games!

Edit: If you are looking for pricing information to make sure you don't overpay, check out the Trading Station.

Otherwise you should just load up an emulator to see which appeals to you best.
I am not looking for any price information at all.. Just as the title says m8, wich would you choose, wich would you recommend...

Don't get the meaning of go for the gold thing, but it does explain why your postcount is so high ;)
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Raiden Fighters is one of the more intense and fast-paced STG series. If you like Raizing and medalling it might be of your taste.
If you're into scoring, all fighters games are somewhat tricky in the respective first stage, because you have to collect a lot of medals in order to level them up to max value, which makes a hugh difference in score. The music is pretty manic as well.

Also, you get higher score if you destroy big enemies really fast or destroy them at the same time. The games thus promote aggressive playing styles. Manic across all aspects of the games.

Raiden two is more similar to 1 of course and thus a bit more orthodox or old-school.
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Frankly, questions like this can't be "solved" because we don't know what appeals to you. Kudos to DMC for trying though.

Raiden Fighters series games depend more on unlocking score multipliers by finding hidden items, bullet grazing, and fast gameplay. There's big differences between each one which are hard to summarize without more detail.

Raiden 2 is more slow-paced and depends on timing medal collection. The easiest way to play Raiden 2 and DX is via the PlayStation ports (which have good extra modes).

All these PCBs have unusual refresh rates, but the Raiden 2 / Raiden DX boards are the strangest. Many setups can't deal with their video.

tl;dr Why are you asking us instead of finding out for yourself? :x

Personally I would take them all :mrgreen:
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I sold my Raiden II PCB due to a lack of autofire. The purple laser took mad tapping to get/keep going.

However, I have read that some versions have autofire on button 3, but I don't know for sure. The Great British region Raiden DX I picked up next does.

But of course none of this matters if you have an autofire board.
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bytestorm wrote:Does raiden 2 lack ending? I read that somewhere.. Just a second loop with no secrets or true bosses ect?
That's right, Raiden II just loops back to the beginning.
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Thanks all :)
Last time i checked, raiden 2 still was not playable in mame so i cant try it out.. (game starts but the shots cannot be seen, due to protection)
But the more I compare them, the more I feel that the fighters series maybe are the way to go.
A little more rewarding, especially JET wich has alternate routes (maybe fighters 1 & 2 has that too).

What bothered me is the rumor about raiden 2 havint no ending.. thats kinda weird :S

well thanks everyone for sharing your oppinions!
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bytestorm wrote:What bothered me is the rumor about raiden 2 havint no ending.. thats kinda weird :S
Why does this matter in a shooting game? I don't think I've ever seen the ending of any shooting game, except for maybe Major Stryker's glorious freewheeling epic of storytelling finesse. It really has to be seen to be believed. After that, I don't think anything else can top it.

Nemesis on the Game Boy doesn't have an ending - and it's a fun game! (Simple though!)

As for Raiden 2, you can get an idea how it plays from its PlayStation port as "Raiden Project."
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Ed Oscuro wrote:
bytestorm wrote:What bothered me is the rumor about raiden 2 havint no ending.. thats kinda weird :S
Why does this matter in a shooting game? I don't think I've ever seen the ending of any shooting game, except for maybe Major Stryker's glorious freewheeling epic of storytelling finesse. It really has to be seen to be believed. After that, I don't think anything else can top it.

Nemesis on the Game Boy doesn't have an ending - and it's a fun game! (Simple though!)

As for Raiden 2, you can get an idea how it plays from its PlayStation port as "Raiden Project."
Well to me it matters, because to clear a shmup without creditfeeding it, takes alot of time, and to be worth that time there would be nice with an ending.
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I have a Raiden II pcb, and also the Raiden Fighters series for the Xbox 360.

Of the Raiden Fighters series, Jet is my favorite. It is a manic thrill ride, and the scoring really does push you to play on the edge if you want to rack up the points.

Raiden II is not as fast paced, and the scoring system is not as crazy. The weird refresh rate wouldn't work with my cheap CGA->VGA card (GBS-8200). I loved the first Raiden in the arcades, and Raiden II is a worthy sequel. Purple plasma for the win!

If you don't have any nostalgia for the original Raiden, then go with the Fighters series. If you have an XBox pick up the 3 game collection for $30+ used on Amazon and try all three.

And am I right in thinking that the Raiden Fighters series was not developed by the same team as Raiden I/II ?
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I have a Raiden II pcb, and also the Raiden Fighters series for the Xbox 360.

Of the Raiden Fighters series, Jet is my favorite. It is a manic thrill ride, and the scoring really does push you to play on the edge if you want to rack up the points. Plus the end stage bosses are huge!

Raiden II is not as fast paced, and the scoring system is not as crazy. The weird refresh rate wouldn't work with my cheap CGA->VGA card (GBS-8200). I loved the first Raiden in the arcades, and Raiden II is a worthy sequel. Purple plasma for the win!

And am I right in thinking that the Raiden Fighters series was not developed by the same team as Raiden I/II ?
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The teams had some small overlap, I found for instance three Raiden 1/2 staff members who were also involved in RF1; programmer/producer S. Mori & graphics designer T.Wada and H. Azuma.
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Hey!
Thanks for the info!
Problem is i got a asia x360, and the jap release of raiden fighters aces is crazy expensive on ebay.. i regrett not buying it when i was in japan this spring, was only 40$ (second hand)!
On ebay its closer to 100usd, and at that price i might as well buy the original :)

Also found a game called viper phase for the same system.. seems quite nice to :)
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bytestorm wrote:Also found a game called viper phase for the same system.. seems quite nice to :)
By "same system" you mean the Seibu SPI motherboard? Most people prefer having a separate motherboard for SPI games, because when you change cartridges there is a lengthy period of time for updating the memory (and a chance of something going wrong during the update).

But yes, Viper Phase 1 is a badass game, that rewards aggressively going after every last enemy and leaving no survivors. 99% kills is not enough! :P
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Ah yes, the venerable classic that is Seibu Kaihatsu's Viper Phase 1...it was the American arcade distributor known as Fabtek whom handled such VP1 kits for sale stateside and released under the proper name as: Viper Phase 1 U.S.A. back in the bronze age of the arcades in 1995. At my local arcade hangout, The Electric Underground, a single session of VP1 was priced at a mere four nickels per credit. And not to mention since it was housed inside a Dynamo upright cab setup, it saved both high scores and high score initials via backup battery onboard the SP1 mobo itself.

If you can get a USA region VP1 SP1 cartridge in the neighborhood of $50 USD, that's a mighty fine & respectable price to pay for one, indeed.

For some arcade STG purists, they'd prefer playing/owning the original JPN region VP1 cart over the later second revision release of VP1 (but that's them folks). Yep, VP1 USA was quite a popular arcade STG game to see/play at the local arcades back in the mid to late 1990s.

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I wish Raiden Fighters Aces had Viper Phase 1, especially since it uses the same engine.
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PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Ah yes, the venerable classic that is Seibu Kaihatsu's Viper Phase 1...it was the American arcade distributor known as Fabtek whom handled such VP1 kits for sale stateside and released under the proper name as: Viper Phase 1 U.S.A. back in the bronze age of the arcades in 1995. At my local arcade hangout, The Electric Underground, a single session of VP1 was priced at a mere four nickels per credit. And not to mention since it was housed inside a Dynamo upright cab setup, it saved both high scores and high score initials via backup battery onboard the SP1 mobo itself.

If you can get a USA region VP1 SP1 cartridge in the neighborhood of $50 USD, that's a mighty fine & respectable price to pay for one, indeed.

For some arcade STG purists, they'd prefer playing/owning the original JPN region VP1 cart over the later second revision release of VP1 (but that's them folks). Yep, VP1 USA was quite a popular arcade STG game to see/play at the local arcades back in the mid to late 1990s.

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Wow, is it possible to find it around 50usd? then i would buy it definitely :) need a mobo thou, as jeneki said, the update isnt that fun to get every time.. hmm
i have seen ppl talking about the NEW and old version of viper 1.. is that what you mean by u.s.a version? is that the new one?
i need to check whats the differences :) and start looking for a spi mobo!
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The Xbox live leaderboards for Raiden Fighters are a little quiet, does anyone here play this title online?

I made it to #4 for the Raiden-mkII in Jet, with only 28 million (#32 overall). I know there are plenty of shmup masters here that could put that score to shame. I didn't even trigger the special medal mode until halfway through the second level.
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bytestorm wrote:
PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Ah yes, the venerable classic that is Seibu Kaihatsu's Viper Phase 1...it was the American arcade distributor known as Fabtek whom handled such VP1 kits for sale stateside and released under the proper name as: Viper Phase 1 U.S.A. back in the bronze age of the arcades in 1995. At my local arcade hangout, The Electric Underground, a single session of VP1 was priced at a mere four nickels per credit. And not to mention since it was housed inside a Dynamo upright cab setup, it saved both high scores and high score initials via backup battery onboard the SP1 mobo itself.

If you can get a USA region VP1 SP1 cartridge in the neighborhood of $50 USD, that's a mighty fine & respectable price to pay for one, indeed.

For some arcade STG purists, they'd prefer playing/owning the original JPN region VP1 cart over the later second revision release of VP1 (but that's them folks). Yep, VP1 USA was quite a popular arcade STG game to see/play at the local arcades back in the mid to late 1990s.

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Wow, is it possible to find it around 50usd? then i would buy it definitely :) need a mobo thou, as jeneki said, the update isnt that fun to get every time.. hmm
i have seen ppl talking about the NEW and old version of viper 1.. is that what you mean by u.s.a version? is that the new one?
i need to check whats the differences :) and start looking for a spi mobo!
If you place an WTB SP1 Viper Phase 1 U.S.A. cart in the Trading section, it's doable to snag one at that possible price.

Actually, you only need to update the SP1 mobo just once if booting up a VP1 cart for the first time. Once it's done, there's no need to update if you don't remove the VP1 cart, of course.

Fabtek released the VP1-U.S.A. cart which is known as the JPN region "Viper Phase 1 New Version" at the various Japanese based game centers back in the mid-1990s. Both SP1 carts have the same gameplay and game mechanics but just different main title screens + regional country statements.

Either a JPN or USA region SP1 mobo & the appropriate region SP1 carts of:

Raiden Fighters

Raiden Fighters 2: Operation Hell Dive

Raiden Fighters Jet (there is a single layer SP1 mobo + cart combo released under the proper name of "Raiden Fighters Jet 2000" PCB and is the China region variant release -- is regarded as an official Seibu Kaihatsu SP1 release despite it being released in two different single layer PCB configurations: one with the good Yamaha sound chip in place and a 2nd version with the lower-grade Oki audio chip installed on-board such a single layer SP1 mobo + cart combo setup. But in going with either single layer SP1 version of RFJ-2K, the audio will still be presented in mono format. It's recommended to get the older 1st-gen SP1 mobo + the separate dedicated SP1 cart of RFJ for stereo sound output via a 4-pinout audio interface, assuming that if you have a stereo capable candy cab to play it on for better audio fidelity hands down. Pick your poison.)

Viper Phase 1 (Old Version) - for the JPN region SP1 mobo

Viper Phase 1 New Version - for the JPN region SP1 mobo

Viper Phase 1 U.S.A. (is the same version as that of the JPN region VP1-NV cart indeed) - for the USA region SP1 mobo

In my case, it helps to have both JPN & USA region SP1 mobos on hand so I don't run into the dreaded issue of booting up the wrong JPN or USA SP1 cart on the wrong country region SP1 mobo. Otherwise, a code error message will appear if you try to boot up, for example, a JPN region SP1 cart on a USA region SP1 mobo and vice versa with a JPN SP1 mobo with a USA SP1 cart setup. You can't mix 'n' match such different regional SP1 carts with different regional SP1 mobos anyways -- they both have to be the same region together in order to boot up properly. And finally, the golden rule is to never turn off the SP1 mobo during an update session, (otherwise your favorite SP1 cart will become bricked). A bricked SP1 cart can be revived but at considerable cost to get it back to 100% working condition.

Hope all this related SP1 info helps you out in acquiring them for your own private arcade STG collection/stash, bytestorm.

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