Little things that annoy the hell out of you

[BIL]

DTP knockoffs.

You think I'm criticizing NG. I'm not. I'm criticizing the elitist attitudes that were all over that thread.

No, if you'd said Linux was as cheap and unforgiving as NG I'd have ignored you (and assumed you were as inept at OS installs as you are at NG, LOLOL). I only responded since you took the opportunity to shitpost in my general direction, and I don't appreciate being called "stuck up." Particularly after entertaining your whining for a good few pages in that thread before you tired yourself out (in the interim, I'd honestly hoped you'd get it done). Even Ghegs of all posters told you to pack it in, eventually. Quote me some of these "elitist attitudes," I suspect this is a terminology issue on your part. "Get better" or even "Get like me" isn't elitism, Edmans!

Funny that I don't cry my heart out about Capcom arcade games (most of which I've never beaten), and I kept playing Rainbow Six despite how punishingly tough it was.

My favorite video game genre? Shmups and Fighters... in both cases, there's maybe one or two each that I've actually beaten. Meanwhile RPGs are easy to down, and I hate that genre.

Your supposition that this is just some guy crying about how hard NG was is nothing more than a lazy strawman that ignores readily-accessible facts about me and basically disregards anything that punches a big hole in what you want to believe (which is how most strawmen are, actually).

Old ground, already covered in the NG thread. You're happy enough messing around in Daimakaimura and other harder games that give no pretense of victory, but scream bloody murder when the relatively easy NG lets you stagger within sight of the finish line before slamming the door in your face because you're actually not good enough. I get it - really. Your situation is neither as nuanced nor complex as you're selling it to be.

The game marks you as second-class once you fail at the boss rush. If you've not mastered Act VI you'll have a punishing slog back to the bosses on top of that. Mean, yes. Get better (see thread for many helpful tips) or move on. Elitism!

Same deal as above. I've never blamed the game for any other game, including several I can't beat. With Ninja Gaiden I criticized one very specific aspect.

Again, you're just strawmanning.

What?

And I know words like "elitist" and "strawman" are tempting, but you have to know what they mean before using them. You've got a problem with the game's difficulty. The game is particularly difficult because it was designed with an uncompromising final gauntlet of bosses that you think you should be allowed to bumble through. The designers disagreed and associated failure at the climax with a harsh knockback, which lacking mastery of Act VI will compound. Whining bitterly about this and insulting those of us who got good enough to clear the wall won't transmogrify this legitimate difficulty into anything else.

[Edmond Dantes]

DTP knockoffs.

You think I'm criticizing NG. I'm not. I'm criticizing the elitist attitudes that were all over that thread.

No, if you'd said Linux was as cheap and unforgiving as NG I'd have ignored you (and assumed you were as inept at OS installs as you are at NG, LOLOL).

Funny, I've installed several OSes just fine before, and even programmed a boot menu on one of my computers, but because of ONE fuckup I'm "inept." I guess Cao Cao must be inept because of the Red Cliffs debacle, or Napoleon because of Waterloo.

Seriously, I'm tempted to check out the "I got robbed" topic to see if you didn't tell the dude that he should've locked the door.

I only responded since you took the opportunity to shitpost in my general direction, and I don't appreciate being called "stuck up." Particularly after entertaining your whining for a good few pages in that thread before you tired yourself out (in the interim, I'd honestly hoped you'd get it done). Even Ghegs of all posters told you to pack it in, eventually. Quote me some of these "elitist attitudes," I suspect this is a terminology issue on your part. "Get better" or even "Get like me" isn't elitism, Edmans!

I spent my time on that topic pointing out your attitude. It never penetrated your thick skull there, so why bother here?

If you don't appreciate being called "stuck up," then you probably shouldn't call other people "scrub" or "n00b" or "inept" just for minor mistakes or things that weren't really their fault. If you can't take it then you shouldn't dish it out.

Funny that I don't cry my heart out about Capcom arcade games (most of which I've never beaten), and I kept playing Rainbow Six despite how punishingly tough it was.

My favorite video game genre? Shmups and Fighters... in both cases, there's maybe one or two each that I've actually beaten. Meanwhile RPGs are easy to down, and I hate that genre.

Your supposition that this is just some guy crying about how hard NG was is nothing more than a lazy strawman that ignores readily-accessible facts about me and basically disregards anything that punches a big hole in what you want to believe (which is how most strawmen are, actually).

Old ground, already covered in the NG thread.

Except no, it clearly wasn't if we're discussing it all over again (and keep in mind, YOU instigated this line of discussion).

You're happy enough messing around in Daimakaimura and other harder games that give no pretense of victory, but scream bloody murder when the relatively easy NG lets you stagger within sight of the finish line before slamming the door in your face because you're actually not good enough. I get it - really. Your situation is neither as nuanced nor complex as you're selling it to be.

I never claimed it was nuanced or complex. To borrow your own tack: do you know what those words mean?

All I said was "it's not a case of some guy being mad that it's hard." Which is what you accused me of initially, and which you've now contradicted.

Really, the answer is simple. The game has a design flaw, and a legitimately irritating one at that. But you prefer to do these mental gymnastics (or else just plug your ears and go "I'm not listening!" anytime you can't be bothered) rather than admit that simple fact.

Same deal as above. I've never blamed the game for any other game, including several I can't beat. With Ninja Gaiden I criticized one very specific aspect.

Again, you're just strawmanning.

What?

Whaddya mean, "what?" "I've never blamed the game" is pretty self-explanatory, and with "for any other game" means just what it sounds like. Put them together. Or wait, I'll rephrase: "Usually when I can't beat a game, I do, in fact, blame my skills." If I'm drawing an exception for Ninja Gaiden, then it's probably because the game is actually flawed.

And I know words like "elitist" and "strawman" are tempting, but you have to know what they mean before using them.

"Elitism" = assuming an undeserved position of superiority (in this case, because you're good at a video game).

"Strawman" = answering an argument by instead creating an exaggerated-to-stupidity copy of that argument and refuting that instead, acting as if it also refutes the real thing (in this case, by portraying me as a guy who hates hard games, which is a blatant lie).

Frankly, you could save yourself a lot of embarrassment by just admitting that yes, the restart point is bullshit. The whole reason this argument is still going on is because you're stubborn as a mule. I might actually be inclined to finish NG if someone would make that one simple concession. But no, apparently it would be OH SO TERRIBLE to admit the beloved NG has any design flaws.

[spadgy]

People who eat their unpaid for food in the supermarket (typically the queue) and then go an pay for the empty wrapper. It's usually the smug 'because I can' demeanor that goes with it that grates on me.

But it's pathetic that it annoys me so!

I don't get this at all... getting angry about people eating shit with the firm intention of paying and right before paying for it? Huh?

I appreciate fully that my frustration at this is ridiculous, but to do it just seems a bit close to greedy. Surely somebody can wait until they own something before eating it. It seems like popping into the kitchen at a restaurant and grabbing a bit of mix from the bowl when everybody else waits at their tables. It's just all rather uncouth, but then so am I!

I also loathe, for no sensible reason, people leaving their music festival 'entry bracelets' on all year round. What I love about a festival is how it feels like a small autonomous society (I appreciate that it's rarely actually that). Taking those bracelets away from the festival site and continuing to wear them all year just seems to sully the magic of what the festival seemed like at the time.

I really can be a cantankerous prick.

[BIL]

Funny, I've installed several OSes just fine before, and even programmed a boot menu on one of my computers, but because of ONE fuckup I'm "inept." I guess Cao Cao must be inept because of the Red Cliffs debacle, or Napoleon because of Waterloo.

Seriously, I'm tempted to check out the "I got robbed" topic to see if you didn't tell the dude that he should've locked the door.

Yes, do check the topic - I did post in it actually. You'll love what I said to Deca, totally put the boot in, LOL! I'm a smallminded guy who'd actually think of such things.

I spent my time on that topic pointing out your attitude. It never penetrated your thick skull there, so why bother here?

Critical understanding failure, Edmans. I understood what you posted about me - I just disregarded it. Besides your attitude stinking, what you think of me is irrelevant. It's the game that's giving you problems (problems that incidentally you brought to the thread and I addressed wherever possible).

If you don't appreciate being called "stuck up," then you probably shouldn't call other people "scrub" or "n00b" or "inept" just for minor mistakes or things that weren't really their fault. If you can't take it then you shouldn't dish it out.

First time travel, and now I'm meant to warp the very fabric of reality so you're not a poor NG player. You posted videos, Edmans - you play badly. You ignored specific advice on how to counteract this and insisted there's something wrong with the game. That's your fault, you big scrubby scrub. If I were some stuck up egomaniac I would've told you to GTFO of my topic on the first page, not wasted post after post pointing out your glaring mistakes.

Except no, it clearly wasn't if we're discussing it all over again (and keep in mind, YOU instigated this line of discussion).

Of course I instigated it - you're still blubbering away about a "design flaw" (read: game clear requirement) instead of getting better at the game. Likewise the lame excuse is just as invalid now as it was then. You don't like NG because it doesn't let you slum over the finish line. Daimaikaimura et al won't let you even get close, so it's no skin off your nose.

I never claimed it was nuanced or complex. To borrow your own tack: do you know what those words mean?

Yes. You're continually implying there's some unacknowledged depth of meaning to all your whining, when it's patently just a bitter scrub's attempt to do what all scrubs do: blame everyone and everything else for their bad playing.

All I said was "it's not a case of some guy being mad that it's hard." Which is what you accused me of initially, and which you've now contradicted.

Haha, keep repeating that as if reality will invert itself.

Oh wait, you do just that further down. I'll leave this here for reference: INEPTITUDE

Really, the answer is simple. The game has a design flaw, and a legitimately irritating one at that. But you prefer to do these mental gymnastics (or else just plug your ears and go "I'm not listening!" anytime you can't be bothered) rather than admit that simple fact.

Multiple people in that topic, including myself, acknowledged the game is incredibly cunty on that restart. What we wouldn't do is join in the pity party crywank you think is an appropriate response.

Whaddya mean, "what?" "I've never blamed the game" is pretty self-explanatory, and with "for any other game" means just what it sounds like. Put them together. Or wait, I'll rephrase: "Usually when I can't beat a game, I do, in fact, blame my skills." If I'm drawing an exception for Ninja Gaiden, then it's probably because the game is actually flawed.

What I mean is that sentence is unintelligible gibberish, and you've just followed it up with the same crybaby excuse anyway, so I'm glad I didn't waste time deciphering it.

"Elitism" = assuming an undeserved position of superiority (in this case, because you're good at a video game).

I am superior to you. At Ninja Gaiden. CTRL+F INEPTITUDE

"Strawman" = answering an argument by instead creating an exaggerated-to-stupidity copy of that argument and refuting that instead, acting as if it also refutes the real thing (in this case, by portraying me as a guy who hates hard games, which is a blatant lie).

CTRL+F INEPTITUDE

Frankly, you could save yourself a lot of embarrassment by just admitting that yes, the restart point is bullshit. The whole reason this argument is still going on is because you're stubborn as a mule. I might actually be inclined to finish NG if someone would make that one simple concession. But no, apparently it would be OH SO TERRIBLE to admit the beloved NG has any design flaws.

Where have I been embarassed, exactly? The whole ethos of the genre this site is founded on is "I can score more than you." Some guy bawling his eyes out at me because a game I and several others have cleared is brickwalling him is the opposite of embarassing. If anything it's ennobling, considering all the time I wasted trying to explain where you're slipping up.

[trap15]

Not this thread!

[BIL]

Indeed - a Battle of the Soap (™Obiwanshinobi) has well and truly commenced.

[spadgy]

Let's try and keep that battle friendly and not too dominated by arguing semantics! I appreciate that it's not got out of control yet, but those quote-filled posts are starting to get long and a little too into the detail. We can all get along just lovely here!

[BIL]

I know, I hate overly-segmented quotes too. At least all the quote tags are in order though! ^_~

[spadgy]

I know you're a pleasant contributor to our forum too BIL! And I'm sure you are to Edmond Dantes, so let's all be nice. We can all argue things over without getting irritated with one another.

So, lets all get back to discussing being easily irritated by other little things like one big, happy, cantankerous family!

[BulletMagnet]

Fellow mods who resolve conflicts so effortlessly and genteelly that it makes the rest of us look bad.

[spadgy]

Are you trolling me BulletMagnet, 'cause I'll come down on you all kinds of aggressive if you are?

[Edmond Dantes]

I know you're a pleasant contributor to our forum too BIL! And I'm sure you are to Edmond Dantes, so let's all be nice. We can all argue things over without getting irritated with one another.

Look, I understand the appeal of polite conversation, but whatever I'm dishing out, BIL asked for.

Just for example:

First time travel, and now I'm meant to warp the very fabric of reality so you're not a poor NG player.

Never asked him to do this. BIL pulled this out of his ass and put it in my mouth (which is what "strawmanning" means, BTW)

You posted videos, Edmans - you play badly. You ignored specific advice on how to counteract this and insisted there's something wrong with the game.

Same here. The things that were my fault, I admitted to, and did indeed act on the advice that was act-on-able (which, most of the advice was vague, generic and meaningless, such as "don't die"). He refuses to admit that because it interferes with his "whiner" characterization of me. Which he can't even be consistent on:

Of course I instigated it - you're still blubbering away about a "design flaw" (read: game clear requirement) instead of getting better at the game. Likewise the lame excuse is just as invalid now as it was then. You don't like NG because it doesn't let you slum over the finish line. Daimaikaimura et al won't let you even get close, so it's no skin off your nose.

So I hate games I can't beat... but I love games I have no chance of beating... what?

And he called one of my lines "unintelligible gibberish." I'm starting to think BIL is an alien.

Yes. You're continually implying there's some unacknowledged depth of meaning to all your whining,

I'm not sure how BIL gets this. I simply told him his theory was wrong and presented him with the truth, which isn't the same as what he's implying.

Haha, keep repeating that as if reality will invert itself.

Oh wait, you do just that further down. I'll leave this here for reference: INEPTITUDE

And then he resorts to childish mockery. Note that this was at a part where he had previously accused me of misusing words, which I then proved I wasn't misusing. Obviously it was either admit he had been wrong or else do this, and you see what he chose.

I'll admit I probably didn't have to make that backhanded comment about NG fans back when we were discussing Linux (which was actually meant to highlight what assholes the "Linux is perfect you should've just payed attention" crowd were being) but if he was offended enough to reopen that old wound, then perhaps there's some validity to that comment.

"Being nice" is one of those sentiments that sounds all good and noble in theory, but in practice it usually just leads to people being passive-aggressively hostile, and hiding issues that really should be made known and dealt with. That BIL responded to my comment showed that we had unfinished business, and I'd rather it get hashed out once and for all so there won't be a sequel. Besides, just because we're arguing doesn't mean we hate each other (It's kinda hard to feel that strongly about someone you only know online).

[trap15]

what assholes the "Linux is perfect you should've just payed attention" crowd were being

It's not perfect, but you would have never made that mistake if you were really paying attention (as you should be when installing an OS).

[BIL]

snip snip

There's quite a bit more advice than "don't die" in the thread, anyone who cares can check it out. I know it's pointless, though. My favourite bit was when you whined about the game's respawning forcing you to rush forward, bookended by my stressing that nothing can actually spawn unless you're moving forward.

Yes, you hate this particular game that you can't beat, because you feel you're entitled to beat it. After all, it lets you get so close only to pull this restart bullshit if you blow the climax! Unfortunately the designers disagree with you. You've got a long way to go. Cry or get better.

"Unfinished business," "sequels," "old wounds"

LOL



Edmans pls. You're that whiny scrub from the NG thread (started by me, the stuck-up elitist asshole). God knows why you flung that shitpost my way, but I'm always happy to bat them back. Get better soon!

Regards, BIL

[emphatic]

I also loathe, for no sensible reason, people leaving their music festival 'entry bracelets' on all year round. What I love about a festival is how it feels like a small autonomous society (I appreciate that it's rarely actually that). Taking those bracelets away from the festival site and continuing to wear them all year just seems to sully the magic of what the festival seemed like at the time.

I think those folks like to keep this on as a conversation piece - wrist style. I like to keep my festival passes in a paper box along with all the other keepsakes from said festivals, as I like to look lovingly at my past life now and then.

[Ed Oscuro]

Things that annoy the hell out of me: I'm not as good at dealing with the angry unwashed as BIL

[BIL]

;3 <333 (that's a winking cat smiley + three <3s, not a cat with three pairs of balls!)

[Ed Oscuro]

Cats = elitist by nature.

In other news, Firefox's jealousy of user choice:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=855370

There have been quite a few changes lately that seemed bad but weren't, but also quite a few changes that are (the "new and improved" download system going to the Library, which you can't toggle on and off with the Ctrl+J combo, is another; but at least you can force a reversion to the classic behavior with a configuration change).

I think the Firefox team spend too much time drinking each others' kool-aid and not enough time paying attention to what users need.

Actually, it's been quite a while since I've felt anything but neutral or fear or outright rage at the release of a new version of Firefox. The rapid-release situation sneaking in these changes every few months, with nothing obviously mitigating them for the user, isn't helping matters either.

[trap15]

I think the Firefox team spend too much time drinking each others' kool-aid and not enough time paying attention to what users need.

Actually, it's been quite a while since I've felt anything but neutral or fear or outright rage at the release of a new version of Firefox. The rapid-release situation sneaking in these changes every few months, with nothing obviously mitigating them for the user, isn't helping matters either.

This is sadly why I switched from Fx to Chrome a fair few years ago. Fx just went the GNOME3/Ubuntu/etc. way (attempting to dumb everything down for the lowest common denominator, without actually realizing that they are getting rid of important things). Sad to see it fall.

[Ed Oscuro]

I use Chrome for anything games-related, but it doesn't do well at all with huge numbers of tabs, which unfortunately still dominate my browsing time (by personal choice, of course). I also have qualms about Chrome because it feels like the Apple company way of doing things - yeah, it does have source code so it's not a walled garden. In practical terms it's just too different a method for performance from what I've gotten used to.

Also, the new Firefox logo makes me think my monitor's exploding when I alt-tab. I'll get used to that though.

[blackoak]

I don't see how st6 of NG is a design flaw either... lots of games from that era (and some shmups too) changed the continue conditions on the last stage(s). It was something you came to expect/dread. I mean, 6-1 itself is a bit of a pushover, so the real challenge comes with 6-2 to the end. Personally I think the game would still be great even with checkpoints on st6, but I and a bunch of friends cleared it after a couple nights worth of practice, so it can't be too "ridiculously difficult." It was really fun too, swapping the controller around and trying new strategies. Maybe if I hadn't seen them trying/failing/succeeding with different approaches I would have continued to slam my head against the same wall and eventually thrown my hands up in the air.

It would be interesting to hear about the hard games you like and how you feel they're different (enjoyable, satisfying) from NG, though it sounds like you've already talked about that at length elsewhere. I don't like SDOJ and similar shmups because the amount of positional memorization is too much for me to enjoy; a game like NG has lots of memo too but I feel there's some weird improvisatory elbow room for things like the birds etc (to say nothing of the strategies from subweapons).

[AntiFritz]

Cats = elitist by nature.

In other news, Firefox's jealousy of user choice:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=855370

There have been quite a few changes lately that seemed bad but weren't, but also quite a few changes that are (the "new and improved" download system going to the Library, which you can't toggle on and off with the Ctrl+J combo, is another; but at least you can force a reversion to the classic behavior with a configuration change).

I think the Firefox team spend too much time drinking each others' kool-aid and not enough time paying attention to what users need.

Actually, it's been quite a while since I've felt anything but neutral or fear or outright rage at the release of a new version of Firefox. The rapid-release situation sneaking in these changes every few months, with nothing obviously mitigating them for the user, isn't helping matters either.

They also removed keyword.url which is seriously annoying, atleast someone made an addon to fix that. I honestly dread the day they swap to australis. The reason I don't use chrome is I cant stand its basic featureset and them changing firefox to almost resemble chrome? Fucking hell.

[Edmond Dantes]

snip snip

There's quite a bit more advice than "don't die" in the thread, anyone who cares can check it out.

Funny thing. I actually admitted as much:

" The things that were my fault, I admitted to, and did indeed act on the advice that was act-on-able"

Naturally, BIL's lack of reading comprehension reared its head again and he missed this, and thus made a fool of himself. Again.

But let's get to the heart of the matter, shall we?

Edmans pls. You're that whiny scrub from the NG thread (started by me, the stuck-up elitist asshole).

Awww sounds wike somebody can't get over his ego being bwuised! Grow the fuck up. I said it once already: If you can't take it, don't dish it out. It's really quite pathetic seeing you like this. You were a lot better in the NG topic.

Things that annoy the hell out of me: I'm not as good at dealing with the angry unwashed as BIL

Oh please, Ed, you're better than BIL. Don't make him your standard.

I don't see how st6 of NG is a design flaw either... lots of games from that era (and some shmups too) changed the continue conditions on the last stage(s). It was something you came to expect/dread. I mean, 6-1 itself is a bit of a pushover, so the real challenge comes with 6-2 to the end. Personally I think the game would still be great even with checkpoints on st6, but I and a bunch of friends cleared it after a couple nights worth of practice, so it can't be too "ridiculously difficult." It was really fun too, swapping the controller around and trying new strategies. Maybe if I hadn't seen them trying/failing/succeeding with different approaches I would have continued to slam my head against the same wall and eventually thrown my hands up in the air.

It would be interesting to hear about the hard games you like and how you feel they're different (enjoyable, satisfying) from NG, though it sounds like you've already talked about that at length elsewhere. I don't like SDOJ and similar shmups because the amount of positional memorization is too much for me to enjoy; a game like NG has lots of memo too but I feel there's some weird improvisatory elbow room for things like the birds etc (to say nothing of the strategies from subweapons).

This is old ground, so I'll try to be brief.

Thing is, being sent back to 6-1 would make sense for using a continue, but it happens just for dying... when in the previous room you just get sent back to the beginning of that room.

And the reason its an issue is because it means you don't get to practice (unless you use emulators and savestates). It's literally like if I were playing Art of Fighting, lost on Mr. Big and was then sent back to that Guile-wannabe and had to work my way back up. How am I supposed to learn the ins and outs of the guy I'm trying to beat?

It reminds me of something my mom used to do to my sister. At first my sister was only allowed to cook pastas, but then mom allowed her to cook meats... and she fucked up. So then my mom told her she can't cook meat again until she had more experience with pasta. But pasta and meat are cooked in entirely different ways (much like a platform segment and a boss segment are different things) so what happened is sis wound up great at one but poor at another, and mom never thought to question her own methods.

That's the issue in a nutshell.

[spadgy]

"Being nice" is one of those sentiments that sounds all good and noble in theory, but in practice it usually just leads to people being passive-aggressively hostile, and hiding issues that really should be made known and dealt with. That BIL responded to my comment showed that we had unfinished business, and I'd rather it get hashed out once and for all so there won't be a sequel. Besides, just because we're arguing doesn't mean we hate each other (It's kinda hard to feel that strongly about someone you only know online).

A fair enough perspective (though I like to think to some 'being nice' means just being nice and friendly).

But lets put my earlier sentiment another way. Take your discussion with BIL on these matters to PM please. It's starting to clog up the thread, it's starting to draw in other people, and increasingly its not benefiting the thread or contributing to the topic.

And on the matter of not taking the thread off topic, I'd best get back on track...

I also loathe, for no sensible reason, people leaving their music festival 'entry bracelets' on all year round. What I love about a festival is how it feels like a small autonomous society (I appreciate that it's rarely actually that). Taking those bracelets away from the festival site and continuing to wear them all year just seems to sully the magic of what the festival seemed like at the time.

I think those folks like to keep this on as a conversation piece - wrist style. I like to keep my festival passes in a paper box along with all the other keepsakes from said festivals, as I like to look lovingly at my past life now and then.

I indeed keep all of mine, along with a heap of passes from press events and work conferences. But for some reason (and it's utterly pathetic of me!) I loathe (in a pet hate way) it when people wear them.

[Ji-L87]

Cats = elitist by nature.

In other news, Firefox's jealousy of user choice:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=855370

There have been quite a few changes lately that seemed bad but weren't, but also quite a few changes that are (the "new and improved" download system going to the Library, which you can't toggle on and off with the Ctrl+J combo, is another; but at least you can force a reversion to the classic behavior with a configuration change).

I think the Firefox team spend too much time drinking each others' kool-aid and not enough time paying attention to what users need.

Actually, it's been quite a while since I've felt anything but neutral or fear or outright rage at the release of a new version of Firefox. The rapid-release situation sneaking in these changes every few months, with nothing obviously mitigating them for the user, isn't helping matters either.

They also removed keyword.url which is seriously annoying, atleast someone made an addon to fix that. I honestly dread the day they swap to australis. The reason I don't use chrome is I cant stand its basic featureset and them changing firefox to almost resemble chrome? Fucking hell.

Oh, I wasn't aware of this development, and personally I'm not a huge fan of the Chrome-look either. Why did they change their version number thing btw? I remember getting Firefox 4....and now it says I'm on Firefox 22? I find it confusing, is all, and I have a bit problem getting hyped up for each "big" release when there's so many of them.

But this takes me back. I remember back when a friend and at the time classmate of mine pretty much forced me to install Firefox (old version, 1.something) and I just couldn't browse without it anymore. I was finally free from the clutches of IE 6.

I'd love to give another browser a try but I have some addons that I really, truly love and I'm not sure they're available elsewhere...

[Ed Oscuro]

@ Edmond:

I think BIL's good humor in dealing with you has gone unappreciated by you. Anyway, I'm not above admitting that I think BIL's use of the English language for dramatic or comic effect is way above my ability. I just write dry crap that annoys people

[Mozilla] also removed keyword.url which is seriously annoying, atleast someone made an addon to fix that.

I didn't know about that specific change, but it's a symptom of another thing that I don't like: The "fix it yourself" culture being taken to mean "you need to program an addon" rather than "find the about:config entry and change it." Browser addons shouldn't be necessary to do simple tasks like changing default search providers (which give Mozilla revenue, and which it is hard to see as anything but Mozilla snubbing user freedoms for the sake of preserving that revenue, despite whatever assurances they might try to give the reality is that this has made it harder for normal users to change providers).

The more addons you put on your browser, the more risks you're taking with security and stability. Even though these people are trying to save Firefox, I don't know them and the approval process means nothing to me. At best, these are less efficient implementations of the original designs, and if my understanding is correct, Firefox add-ons run within the same process as Firefox itself, eating up just a bit more of that precious 32-bit memory space.

Mozilla's logic on this front is very strange, like "we had to destroy the browser to save it." I still like the default behavior and optimizations for dealing with lots of memory being used at once, but the push for social media and the resistance towards releasing a 64-bit build means that recent gains for stability of heavy tabbed browsing / memory users are being whittled away, quite apparently in favor of projects (or I should say "products") that seem to have no relevance to many users.

Edit: After fucking around for a bit with trying to get tabs in the title bar (but select the menu bar and this goes away), Firefox once again fails to deliver up the old session. This is starting to get really damned annoying. You can't rely on Firefox to save the old session anymore.

[BIL]

DTP knockoffs.

Awww sounds wike somebody can't get over his ego being bwuised!

Edmans I already explained you're just buffing up my already monstrous elitist prick by whining about the game's minor clear requirement instead of manning up and finishing it like me and the rest of the system11 big boys.

It reminds me of something my mom used to do to my sister. At first my sister was only allowed to cook pastas, but then mom allowed her to cook meats... and she fucked up. So then my mom told her she can't cook meat again until she had more experience with pasta. But pasta and meat are cooked in entirely different ways (much like a platform segment and a boss segment are different things) so what happened is sis wound up great at one but poor at another, and mom never thought to question her own methods.

What is it with you and veerings off into tales of your dastardly parents?

I think BIL's good humor in dealing with you has gone unappreciated by you.

Similarly, I think I've been unknowingly messing with the fucking fury. Meats?

Take your discussion with BIL on these matters to PM please.

Sorry spadgy. It's all for the love of pasta, I mean gaming, honestly.

Edmond, out of deference to Messrs spadgy and BulletMagnet I'll further endeavour to assist you through this difficult time here. ;3

[drauch]

I'm so glad that every time I pop in here this conversation is still going.

[spadgy]

I'm so glad that every time I pop in here this conversation is still going.

I wish I could say the same!

[Lord Satori]

It reminds me of something my mom used to do to my sister. At first my sister was only allowed to cook pastas, but then mom allowed her to cook meats... and she fucked up. So then my mom told her she can't cook meat again until she had more experience with pasta. But pasta and meat are cooked in entirely different ways (much like a platform segment and a boss segment are different things) so what happened is sis wound up great at one but poor at another, and mom never thought to question her own methods.

What is it with you and veerings off into tales of your dastardly parents?

Do you seriously not understand what he's try to say here?

I gotta say, this discussion between you two is simultaneously annoying, entertaining, and pathetic at the same time. I think the worst part is the "I beat the game, so that must mean it isn't flawed at all" logic behind the whole argument.


Anyway...

People who rely on God to heal their children of severe/fatal conditions. (or any condition for that matter) Every single one of them, and the churches who taught them that bullshit should be arrested for conspiring to murder, because thats basically what they're doing. "I'll let my child die instead of seeking the medical attention they need" is no different from "I poisoned my child, and I'm the reason they have this condition." Oh yeah, well you'll be praying an awful lot now because you'll never see your child again you zealous bastards.