To make sure the SCART in my HDTV definitively isn't RGB...

[BitFaced]

I've decided to list the pin outs of the SCART cables and maybe show you what they look like on the HD TV with a really basic image taken with a camera. I've heard that the NGC SCART cable I have is the correct one and it does look better than the Composite cables but perhaps not in the way that Composite to RGB (there's also that aforementioned problem where the image has diagonally moving lines).

The two PS1 cables I own have the same pinout and both look like crap/composite instead of RGB, but are they actually RGB?

1 - None
2 - Red
3 - None
4 - White
5 - None
6 - White/Grey
7 - 220uf + Blue
8 - Brown
9 - None
10 - None
11 - 220uf + Green
12 - None
13 - None
14 - None
15 - 220uf + Orange
16 - None
17 - None
18 - None
19 - None
20 - Yellow
+ Black (above and between pins 12 & 14)

NGC SCART Pinout (confirmed as RGB):

1 - Nothing
2 - Red Wire
3 - Nothing
4 - Grey Wire
5 - Nothing
6 - White Wire
7 - 220uf Capacitor -> Blue Wire
8 - Brown Wire + (Black striped yellow thing, assumedly something to do with sync)
9 - Nothing
10 - Nothing
11 - 220uf Capacitor -> Green Wire
12 - Nothing
13 - Nothing
14 - Nothing
15 - 220uf Capacitor -> Orange Wire
16 - 220uf Capacitor + (Previously mentioned black striped yellow thing)
17 - Pink Wire
18 - Black Wire + 220uf Capacitor (same one as 16)
19 - Nothing
20 - Yellow Wire

(Composite cables might be of lesser physical quality, which would result in lesser video quality by some margin)

PS1 Composite:
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/TomRoid/ ... cn9677.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/TomRoid/ ... cn9680.jpg
PS1 SCART:
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/TomRoid/ ... cn9678.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/TomRoid/ ... cn9679.jpg
NGC Composite:
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/TomRoid/ ... cn9683.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/TomRoid/ ... cn9684.jpg
NGC SCART:
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/TomRoid/ ... cn9685.jpg
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/TomRoid/ ... cn9687.jpg

[Fudoh]

technically the PS1 cable is RGB, but it's missing a switching component (the voltage line to pin 16), so your TV probably doesn't switch into RGB mode and just uses the composite signal instead.

[BitFaced]

technically the PS1 cable is RGB, but it's missing a switching component (the voltage line to pin 16), so your TV probably doesn't switch into RGB mode and just uses the composite signal instead.

Can that be fixed or do I have to get another cable?

[BitFaced]

And if it does support RGB then that also means it supports S-Video, right?

[Fudoh]

it can be fixed, but it involves soldering and you need to measure some voltages.

As said before, if a scart port on a TV supports RGB, it usually does NOT support s-video, since the chroma signal uses the RGB pin for red and the TV couldn't tell on it's own which kind of signal it is.

[BitFaced]

it can be fixed, but it involves soldering and you need to measure some voltages.

As said before, if a scart port on a TV supports RGB, it usually does NOT support s-video, since the chroma signal uses the RGB pin for red and the TV couldn't tell on it's own which kind of signal it is.

Could you link me to a correct SCART cable with Pin 16, or is it hard to locate one? Just in cade I couldn't get anything soldered.
So, what other ways could I get S-Video if it doesn't work? S-Video to Component?

[Fudoh]

So, what other ways could I get S-Video if it doesn't work? S-Video to Component?

you can use a linedoubler. S-video to VGA for NTSC or s-video to component for either PAL or NTSC.

Most PS1 RGB cables should have pin 16 connected, since most TVs don't switch into RGB mode without a voltage present on this pin...

[BitFaced]

So, what other ways could I get S-Video if it doesn't work? S-Video to Component?

you can use a linedoubler. S-video to VGA for NTSC or s-video to component for either PAL or NTSC.

Most PS1 RGB cables should have pin 16 connected, since most TVs don't switch into RGB mode without a voltage present on this pin...

I guess I could just get a S-Video SCART adapter and a source to see but that could be wasteful of money...
And I already have two PS1 SCART cables so maybe at this point it'd be slightly more efficient to get it soldered.

[BitFaced]

So why do people dislike no S-Video support on HD TVs if they can just use an adapter for some other format?

[Fudoh]

because the general public can't wrap it's head around the idea of external video conversions.

[BitFaced]

Ah. Does Composite/S-Video/RGB to SCART fall into that or do they not count because it's supported in the TV?

[Fudoh]

an adapter is not a converter.

[BitFaced]

Anyway, I may test the NGC RGB SCART on other TVs and see if it definitively still has the diagonal lines. If it still persists I don't know what could be fixed about it, but let's see.

[Fudoh]

Your problem is that even RGB looks terrible on that TV set of yours. Since you're obviously a video game fan and care about quality, you should really consider getting some kind of line doubler or upscaler.

[BitFaced]

Your problem is that even RGB looks terrible on that TV set of yours. Since you're obviously a video game fan and care about quality, you should really consider getting some kind of line doubler or upscaler.

We'll literally see, but in that case would I use...

Composite - DVDO iScan Pro
S-Video - DVDO iScan Pro
RGB SCART - GBS-82XX (SCART modification or Sync Strike)
Component - DVDO iScan Pro or GBS 82XX
+ SLG 3000

...Right?
And I suppose I shouldn't try a SCART S-Video Adapter and a source (e.g. a PS1 S-Video cable) to see if the SCART socket imposes S-Video because that would waste money (and not just in this case), right?

Also, what do PrYPb to SCART adapters mean and out of curiosity, would they work here?

[Fudoh]

If you don't already have a GBS8220 you can use a RGBs to componen transcoder instead, so you can use RGBs sources on the iScan Pro as well. Or you can try to a get an iScan HD instead (which has RGB and component inputs) - all comes out at around the price.

If you TV hasn't a menu setting to set the scart input to s-video, it definitely won't support s-video through scart.

YUV/Scart adapters are OUTPUT adapters. They're meant for certain DVD players which can be set to component output through Scart.

[BitFaced]

Could you link to me where I can find and buy an iScan Pro and SCART to Component adapter?
So I'll have a look at the TV menus for an S-Video option then.

[Fudoh]

iScan Pro: eBay, a number of units sold between $40 and 60 over the past weeks, none right now though.
Transcoder: eBay as well, search for "rgb scart component".

[BitFaced]

iScan Pro: eBay, a number of units sold between $40 and 60 over the past weeks, none right now though.
Transcoder: eBay as well, search for "rgb scart component".

Thanks!

[Lord of Pirates]

iScan Pro: eBay, a number of units sold between $40 and 60 over the past weeks, none right now though.
Transcoder: eBay as well, search for "rgb scart component".

There's one listing up at the moment.

[BitFaced]

iScan Pro: eBay, a number of units sold between $40 and 60 over the past weeks, none right now though.
Transcoder: eBay as well, search for "rgb scart component".

There's one listing up at the moment.

For the iScan Pro, yes, but it's very expensive at the moment, so I'll have to wait for a while. The Component converter on the other hand, seems quite cheap and obtainable for a budget like mine, so I guess I could just get a DVDO iScan Pro, a RGB SCART to Component Transcoder and maybe SLG 3000 for the HD TV. Anything I'm missing besides plently of switchers?

[Lord of Pirates]

iScan Pro: eBay, a number of units sold between $40 and 60 over the past weeks, none right now though.
Transcoder: eBay as well, search for "rgb scart component".

There's one listing up at the moment.

For the iScan Pro, yes, but it's very expensive at the moment, so I'll have to wait for a while. The Component converter on the other hand, seems quite cheap and obtainable for a budget like mine, so I guess I could just get a DVDO iScan Pro, a RGB SCART to Component Transcoder and maybe SLG 3000 for the HD TV. Anything I'm missing besides plently of switchers?

There's a listing up for $1 right now, though they don't mention anything about the power supply and they have kinda dodgy feedback. If you're patient enough they sometimes pop up below $40. I can keep an eye out for you if you'd like?

[BitFaced]

There's a listing up for $1 right now, though they don't mention anything about the power supply and they have kinda dodgy feedback. If you're patient enough they sometimes pop up below $40. I can keep an eye out for you if you'd like?

I guess you could, because I can't always keep a look out for sort of rare and expensive items that rarely show up on eBay.

[Fudoh]

you usually set up an automatic search on ebay, so you'll get a notice email when your item shows up...

[BitFaced]

you usually set up an automatic search on ebay, so you'll get a notice email when your item shows up...

How do I do that?
Also, I've tried the NGC RGB SCART cable on several TVs (2 HD TVs, an old non-HD TV that may be a CRT) and the "diagonal moving lines" problem still persisted, so the problem is not in the HD TV, but in the cable.

[Fudoh]

you search for something and when ebay shows the results you hit "save search" (in the middle above the hits).

No experience with Cube RGB since NTSC Cubes don't have RGB.

Word of advice: if you have 50Hz PAL sources, you won't be able to use your TV's VGA input.

[BitFaced]

you search for something and when ebay shows the results you hit "save search" (in the middle above the hits).

No experience with Cube RGB since NTSC Cubes don't have RGB.

Word of advice: if you have 50Hz PAL sources, you won't be able to use your TV's VGA input.

Do you need an eBay account to do such a thing?

OK, fair enough. I've already also posted it onto the other topic about it.

And let's see, PAL PS1, PAL NGC, PAL PS2, PAL Wii. Am I screwed?

Also, if I plan to use a Tri-Star 64 with RGB, the NES part won't use RGB and just go to video, so I could just use Composite breakout from the SCART Switcher the RGB SCART goes into, right?

[Fudoh]

Do you need an eBay account to do such a thing?

yes.

And let's see, PAL PS1, PAL NGC, PAL PS2, PAL Wii. Am I screwed?

For 50Hz sources you would have to set the iScan Pro's output to component and use the component input on your TV instead of the VGA input. So you can't use a SLG3000 with it. Component and HDMI usually work with 50 and 60Hz, while VGA is 60Hz only.

Also, if I plan to use a Tri-Star 64 with RGB, the NES part won't use RGB and just go to video, so I could just use Composite breakout from the SCART Switcher the RGB SCART goes into, right?

yes. But the Scart to YUV transcoder don't support composite. You can still connect the composite directly to the iScan Pro's composite input.

[BitFaced]

For 50Hz sources you would have to set the iScan Pro's output to component and use the component input on your TV instead of the VGA input. So you can't use a SLG3000 with it. Component and HDMI usually work with 50 and 60Hz, while VGA is 60Hz only.

yes. But the Scart to YUV transcoder don't support composite. You can still connect the composite directly to the iScan Pro's composite input.

I didn't know you could set the linedoubler's output to Component. I won't need an adapter will I?

So, will RGB SCART PS1, RGB SCART N64/SNES, Composite NES, RGB SCART NGC, Component Wii, Component PS2, Composite Plug n Plays and S-Video sources like C64 DTV still look good through the iScan Pro linedoubler without scanlines? And could I use a Mini SLG? Would I still be using the SCART to YUV?
And I was planning to have Composite video coming out of the SCART switcher that had the RGB SCART of the Tri-Star 64 and route it into the Composite of the linedoubler because it's not RGB.

[Fudoh]

I didn't know you could set the linedoubler's output to Component. I won't need an adapter will I?

you'll need the proper cable (DSub15 on the one end and 3x RCA/Cinch on the other end).

So, will RGB SCART PS1, RGB SCART N64/SNES, Composite NES, RGB SCART NGC, Component Wii, Component PS2, Composite Plug n Plays and S-Video sources like C64 DTV still look good through the iScan Pro linedoubler without scanlines?

certainly better than now. Wii (btw) outputs 480p for most sources already, so you don't run that through a linedoubler.

And could I use a Mini SLG?

no, but you can use a SLG-HD.

Would I still be using the SCART to YUV?

sure, that's for the input side. Doesn't matter what your output eventually uses.