DoDonPachi Saidaioujou coming to Xbox 360 (REGION-FREE!)

[DrTrouserPlank]

With the title update fee being scrapped on XBL is there anywhere that is recording a list of bugs in this game in case CAVE actually fancies patching it again?

1) Hi-scores made in novice score attack mode are not saved and displayed in-game (but are saved to the local leaderboard)

[Jonst]

DrTrouserPlank, what Cave game (and in what mode) did you ever 1CC, just curious ?

That is not a critic here or trying to make fun of you, at all. I'm just trying to figure out your level in term of skills, considering that you think that novice mode of this game is difficult for you ?

I've played novice mode in other cave games and I probably 1cc'd them. I don't know, it's not the sort of thing I'd ever have payed much attention to because most novice modes are trivially easy. This one evidently is not. It's not super hard, but when I look at what I'd have to start doing in order to clear it, the fun of playing the game quickly drains away. Which is pretty much why I'd been reasonably happy playing novice until today, until I started to work out what I'd need to do in order to clear it.

As for other cave games which I only ever play the arcade modes of, I haven't cleared any of them. In most cases there's usually a specific reason.

I've read a fair few of you're comments on this,but I just don't understand how you're having this much trouble with the game on novice...

[Skykid]

I've read a fair few of you're comments on this,but I just don't understand how you're having this much trouble with the game on novice...

Because he likes bullet hell shmups but he's shit at them. Rather than confess that, he finds comfort in blaming the game instead.

[Jonst]

I see,case closed then!

[DrTrouserPlank]

It's far more comforting to just brush the novice mode off as easy without actually playing it, or playing a couple of levels and stopping because it's "too easy".

[Jonst]

I have cleared the novice mode with all ships and 1cc'd it.what I'm saying is that I don't find it any harder than than any other cave novice modes.Any version on normal setting is another matter,it is indeed a bastard hard game and can only make stage 4 on a single credit.i gather you're main problem is stage 5? Play it aggressively,you'll crack it at some point (novice).
The way you describe you're frustration with it,is in fact an accurate description of my mushihimesama runs!!

[Sumez]

I have cleared the novice mode with all ships and 1cc'd it.what I'm saying is that I don't find it any harder than than any other cave novice modes.

Most Cave novice modes are a total walkover. I'm not that good at shooters, and have never succesfully 1cc'ed a Cave game, but up until SDOJ, I've taken all their novice modes in the first attempt, without even trying hard. They are far too easy to be any fun at all. SDOJ's novice mode actually posing a challenge sounds promising, I think. Looking forward to it.

[trap15]

It's far more comforting to just brush the novice mode off as easy without actually playing it, or playing a couple of levels and stopping because it's "too easy".

Sorry, but it is easy. I'm not very good and I cleared Novice on my first credit of it ever, having only played the rest of the game no more than 10 hours combined. It's not hard, and it's certainly not unfair or random.

[Skykid]

It's far more comforting to just brush the novice mode off as easy without actually playing it, or playing a couple of levels and stopping because it's "too easy".

Sorry, but it is easy. I'm not very good and I cleared Novice on my first credit of it ever, having only played the rest of the game no more than 10 hours combined. It's not hard, and it's certainly not unfair or random.

The kind girl in the shop who let me use the 360 to play the game stopped playing novice after 2 minutes and handed the pad back asking to switch modes because it was 'too easy'. And she's completely rubbish and has no experience with the genre at all.

[Jonst]

Haha! Well,if a girl can play it...

[DrTrouserPlank]

It's far more comforting to just brush the novice mode off as easy without actually playing it, or playing a couple of levels and stopping because it's "too easy".

Sorry, but it is easy. I'm not very good and I cleared Novice on my first credit of it ever, having only played the rest of the game no more than 10 hours combined. It's not hard, and it's certainly not unfair or random.

The kind girl in the shop who let me use the 360 to play the game stopped playing novice after 2 minutes and handed the pad back asking to switch modes because it was 'too easy'. And she's completely rubbish and has no experience with the genre at all.

Every game is easy if you play 2 minutes of it and then decide it's too easy because the first level isn't annihilating you.

Evidently you haven't played novice through to completion which is what I've been talking about all along.

What's the matter? afraid I might be right?

[trap15]

Nice ignoring me, but my point still stands. I actually did see it through to the end. It is not hard.

[DrTrouserPlank]

Nice ignoring me, but my point still stands. I actually did see it through to the end. It is not hard.

OK.

But I'm not alone in thinking that it's hard. Plenty of people who play these games are commenting that arcade is too hard and that novice is "about the right level of difficulty" which by caves standards still means it's hard.

[1up]

It's far more comforting to just brush the novice mode off as easy without actually playing it, or playing a couple of levels and stopping because it's "too easy".

Sorry, but it is easy. I'm not very good and I cleared Novice on my first credit of it ever, having only played the rest of the game no more than 10 hours combined. It's not hard, and it's certainly not unfair or random.

Cut that shit out! You have a 1cc list so you're not "not very good". I'm not very good. I only 1cc'ed Deathsmiles. SDOJ novice mode is as easy as any cave game, in Novice mode, but only the first 4 stages. Stage 5 in SDOJ spikes in difficulty compared to the first 4 levels.

I cleared DDP DFK Novice in my first credit ever playing the game and the first 4 levels of SDOJ Novice is just as easy, but level 5 feels like level 5 in DDP. Steep spike in difficulty. It's a little unbalanced, like I said before, but not random at all.

[trap15]

You have a 1cc list so you're not "not very good".

If you look at it, the majority of them are very easy clears. Only 3 of them I'd say aren't: Mushi Original, Batrider Normal, Hishouzame.

[Icarus]

"about the right level of difficulty"

You should add "for their level of skill" to the end of that, which by forum standards is far lower than most.

[Lumi]

I cleared DDP DFK Novice in my first credit ever playing the game and the first 4 levels of SDOJ Novice is just as easy, but level 5 feels like level 5 in DDP. Steep spike in difficulty. It's a little unbalanced, like I said before, but not random at all.

It's not as hard as DDP stage 5, but it's hard. Although, since the rest of the game is really easy and you should have raked in all extends, ALL isn't impossible really.

[DrTrouserPlank]

"about the right level of difficulty"

You should add "for their level of skill" to the end of that, which by forum standards is far lower than most.

I think you overestimate the standard here, but whatever the case is there, my statement is relative. You either have the novice mode or the arcade mode. The arcade mode is the hardest game cave have ever made by a long margin, the novice mode is more manageable. I think given the choice, the vast majority of shmup players would prefer the novice over arcade if they had to pick one and one only, even if neither of them is ideal.

[Icarus]

I think you overestimate the standard here

I don't overestimate the standard here at all - I am fully aware that 2% of the forum's active userbase is actually any good at these games, and the other 98% are scrubby weeds. There's a reason why they are called "Novice Modes", it's to give people with very little skill an opportunity to clear something. And that's my point, if all you're doing is picking up crappy Novice Mode clears and not moving on to something that is challenging and building your skills, then you deserve to be torn to pieces by the harder modes in any game. Saidaioujou is particularly unforgiving when the bullet patterns aren't Novice Mode-based (and that includes X360 Shot).

[Skykid]

What's the matter? afraid I might be right?

No.

[DrTrouserPlank]

I think you overestimate the standard here

I don't overestimate the standard here at all - I am fully aware that 2% of the forum's active userbase is actually any good at these games, and the other 98% are scrubby weeds.....

Then I don't see what we are arguing about really. For the vast majority of people here and enthusiasts elsewhere, novice would be a more appropriately leveled challenge.

That's a rather contemptuous attitude to have towards 98% of this forum though ;\

[Jonst]

This is getting a bit out of hand...it's ok to find this novice mode hard!

[n0rtygames]

Then I don't see what we are arguing about really. For the vast majority of people here and enthusiasts elsewhere, novice would be a more appropriately leveled challenge.

DTP - I've put 2 credits in to Novice mode and you know what, I haven't cleared it yet because I made dumb mistakes. I have been having a shit week with shmups recently, so I took a break. I went from being able to No Miss No Bomb my way to ST2 boss on expert after living in training mode on days 1/2 - to not being able to get past the midboss on stage 1. It just got worse, I sucked at that mode.. I sucked at Shot/Laser... 360 mode wasn't giving me any love and then when I died at the Stage 5 boss twice on Novice I just got depressed and had to take a break (Thanks Giest118 for advising I took a break! Play has improved and almost back on form after 36 hours of no play)

But - I think for the most part, it's because you keep berating the game rather than simply going "Bah, I am shit at this game!" and getting better.

Good players know these games are ridiculously hard. You only get to see the high scores and the replays. You don't see the hours of frustration, the restarts, the swearing at the screen. You don't see them get up go "FUCK SAKE", walk around the room pissed at some stupid mistake they never should have made.. then sit down still tilted for another go. You also had a go at people for not uploading their replays where they make these mistakes as though everyone should somehow showcase bad play. That's not what it's about. Nobody wants to watch a terrible replay... if you're ashamed of your replay and you dont upload it - it's because you weren't happy with the replay. You don't want that bad replay to be representative of you.

I'm sure people could get on with you and not argue DTP - if you'd just stop berating the game, stop berating others and just get on the same level as everyone else. We are ALL trying to beat these games and beat them good. We all get frustrated when they beat us (believe me, they do it more regularly than any of us let on). We all sling our chairs back from time to time and swear at the game. It really helps to have someone to play with for score.. not versus the whole leaderboard - but just one person to play against for score.

Nobody will ever take the piss out of you for being shit at the game. You're entitled to play however you want. If your target is just getting a few million in and slowly inching up the scoreboards 1 rank at a time starting from the very bottom, then that's absolutely fine. Everyone starts somewhere.

Seriously, I'm pretty sure if you just went "bah, sorry. I'm really shit at this game. It just frustrates me and I want to get better" and then kept that mindset.. you'd notice a completely different conversation happening. Like people explaining the game, trying to help you improve.. maybe even some people coming out of the woodwork who are at your level but too scared to admit it and might even become practise partners with you

TL;DR - Everyone chill and just play cool arcade games. Please.

[KAI]

98%, that's a huge accusation.

Today is the day, I have high expectations for this game.

[Jonst]

Then I don't see what we are arguing about really. For the vast majority of people here and enthusiasts elsewhere, novice would be a more appropriately leveled challenge.

DTP - I've put 2 credits in to Novice mode and you know what, I haven't cleared it yet because I made dumb mistakes. I have been having a shit week with shmups recently, so I took a break. I went from being able to No Miss No Bomb my way to ST2 boss on expert after living in training mode on days 1/2 - to not being able to get past the midboss on stage 1. It just got worse, I sucked at that mode.. I sucked at Shot/Laser... 360 mode wasn't giving me any love and then when I died at the Stage 5 boss twice on Novice I just got depressed and had to take a break (Thanks Giest118 for advising I took a break! Play has improved and almost back on form after 36 hours of no play)

But - I think for the most part, it's because you keep berating the game rather than simply going "Bah, I am shit at this game!" and getting better.

Good players know these games are ridiculously hard. You only get to see the high scores and the replays. You don't see the hours of frustration, the restarts, the swearing at the screen. You don't see them get up go "FUCK SAKE", walk around the room pissed at some stupid mistake they never should have made.. then sit down still tilted for another go. You also had a go at people for not uploading their replays where they make these mistakes as though everyone should somehow showcase bad play. That's not what it's about. Nobody wants to watch a terrible replay... if you're ashamed of your replay and you dont upload it - it's because you weren't happy with the replay. You don't want that bad replay to be representative of you.

I'm sure people could get on with you and not argue DTP - if you'd just stop berating the game, stop berating others and just get on the same level as everyone else. We are ALL trying to beat these games and beat them good. We all get frustrated when they beat us (believe me, they do it more regularly than any of us let on). We all sling our chairs back from time to time and swear at the game. It really helps to have someone to play with for score.. not versus the whole leaderboard - but just one person to play against for score.

Nobody will ever take the piss out of you for being shit at the game. You're entitled to play however you want. If your target is just getting a few million in and slowly inching up the scoreboards 1 rank at a time starting from the very bottom, then that's absolutely fine. Everyone starts somewhere.

Seriously, I'm pretty sure if you just went "bah, sorry. I'm really shit at this game. It just frustrates me and I want to get better" and then kept that mindset.. you'd notice a completely different conversation happening. Like people explaining the game, trying to help you improve.. maybe even some people coming out of the woodwork who are at your level but too scared to admit it and might even become practise partners with you

TL;DR - Everyone chill and just play cool arcade games. Please.

Yeah,I agree...well said! I'm sure it'll get better,I still havn't cleared a couple of games I feel I should have...just gotta keep going...

[DrTrouserPlank]

Then I don't see what we are arguing about really. For the vast majority of people here and enthusiasts elsewhere, novice would be a more appropriately leveled challenge.

DTP - I've put 2 credits in to Novice mode and you know what, I haven't cleared it yet because I made dumb mistakes. I have been having a shit week with shmups recently, so I took a break. I went from being able to No Miss No Bomb my way to ST2 boss on expert after living in training mode on days 1/2 - to not being able to get past the midboss on stage 1. It just got worse, I sucked at that mode.. I sucked at Shot/Laser... 360 mode wasn't giving me any love and then when I died at the Stage 5 boss twice on Novice I just got depressed and had to take a break (Thanks Giest118 for advising I took a break! Play has improved and almost back on form after 36 hours of no play)

But - I think for the most part, it's because you keep berating the game rather than simply going "Bah, I am shit at this game!" and getting better.

Good players know these games are ridiculously hard. You only get to see the high scores and the replays. You don't see the hours of frustration, the restarts, the swearing at the screen. You don't see them get up go "FUCK SAKE", walk around the room pissed at some stupid mistake they never should have made.. then sit down still tilted for another go. You also had a go at people for not uploading their replays where they make these mistakes as though everyone should somehow showcase bad play. That's not what it's about. Nobody wants to watch a terrible replay... if you're ashamed of your replay and you dont upload it - it's because you weren't happy with the replay. You don't want that bad replay to be representative of you.

I'm sure people could get on with you and not argue DTP - if you'd just stop berating the game, stop berating others and just get on the same level as everyone else. We are ALL trying to beat these games and beat them good. We all get frustrated when they beat us (believe me, they do it more regularly than any of us let on). We all sling our chairs back from time to time and swear at the game. It really helps to have someone to play with for score.. not versus the whole leaderboard - but just one person to play against for score.

Nobody will ever take the piss out of you for being shit at the game. You're entitled to play however you want. If your target is just getting a few million in and slowly inching up the scoreboards 1 rank at a time starting from the very bottom, then that's absolutely fine. Everyone starts somewhere.

Seriously, I'm pretty sure if you just went "bah, sorry. I'm really shit at this game. It just frustrates me and I want to get better" and then kept that mindset.. you'd notice a completely different conversation happening. Like people explaining the game, trying to help you improve.. maybe even some people coming out of the woodwork who are at your level but too scared to admit it and might even become practise partners with you

TL;DR - Everyone chill and just play cool arcade games. Please.

You know what does make me swear?.... when I'm on a record run in score attack mode, (I lost two lives in quick succession when someone interrupted me, but still it was a good run with autobomb off as well) and then my internet drops; "you have been disconnected from xbox live" and I get kicked back to the title screen. No "please reconnect to continue" just "HAAAAAA thanks for wasting 30 mins of your time, see you later". That's bullshit. I'm going fucking ape if I was on some sort of one in a million run going for some amazing score and that happened.

I don't see why you can't reconnect to XBL and continue... the game is paused as soon as you drop connection.

I also definitely get burned out from playing too much and start to regress. Silly mistakes just start happening all over the place and you feel like you've just started learning the game again. PLaying in a bad mood or just with a generally negative mindset towards these games definitely doesn't help progress in the short or long term.

[Jonst]

You're absolutely right.I get the burn out regressed skill problem all the time! Then it's time to turn off...but I make the mistake of carrying on,just going from bad to worse.you're not the only one!

[Cagar]

Then I don't see what we are arguing about really. For the vast majority of people here and enthusiasts elsewhere, novice would be a more appropriately leveled challenge.

DTP - I've put 2 credits in to Novice mode and you know what, I haven't cleared it yet because I made dumb mistakes. I have been having a shit week with shmups recently, so I took a break. I went from being able to No Miss No Bomb my way to ST2 boss on expert after living in training mode on days 1/2 - to not being able to get past the midboss on stage 1. It just got worse, I sucked at that mode.. I sucked at Shot/Laser... 360 mode wasn't giving me any love and then when I died at the Stage 5 boss twice on Novice I just got depressed and had to take a break (Thanks Giest118 for advising I took a break! Play has improved and almost back on form after 36 hours of no play)

But - I think for the most part, it's because you keep berating the game rather than simply going "Bah, I am shit at this game!" and getting better.

Good players know these games are ridiculously hard. You only get to see the high scores and the replays. You don't see the hours of frustration, the restarts, the swearing at the screen. You don't see them get up go "FUCK SAKE", walk around the room pissed at some stupid mistake they never should have made.. then sit down still tilted for another go. You also had a go at people for not uploading their replays where they make these mistakes as though everyone should somehow showcase bad play. That's not what it's about. Nobody wants to watch a terrible replay... if you're ashamed of your replay and you dont upload it - it's because you weren't happy with the replay. You don't want that bad replay to be representative of you.

I'm sure people could get on with you and not argue DTP - if you'd just stop berating the game, stop berating others and just get on the same level as everyone else. We are ALL trying to beat these games and beat them good. We all get frustrated when they beat us (believe me, they do it more regularly than any of us let on). We all sling our chairs back from time to time and swear at the game. It really helps to have someone to play with for score.. not versus the whole leaderboard - but just one person to play against for score.

Nobody will ever take the piss out of you for being shit at the game. You're entitled to play however you want. If your target is just getting a few million in and slowly inching up the scoreboards 1 rank at a time starting from the very bottom, then that's absolutely fine. Everyone starts somewhere.

Seriously, I'm pretty sure if you just went "bah, sorry. I'm really shit at this game. It just frustrates me and I want to get better" and then kept that mindset.. you'd notice a completely different conversation happening. Like people explaining the game, trying to help you improve.. maybe even some people coming out of the woodwork who are at your level but too scared to admit it and might even become practise partners with you

TL;DR - Everyone chill and just play cool arcade games. Please.

Post of the year.
Recently, I've tried to play without getting frustated, and when I usually scream like ape, I now stay quiet and think "practice makes perfect.." it's working much better than expected. Particularly this game has made so angry that my throat feels sore after only one hour of playing: it's because the game is so fair. Right now i'm on 38.5C fever and I feel like shit, so I'm not moving from my bed for a while, but I'm sure that when I do, I'll play better thanks to this break.

[Erppo]

We all get frustrated when they beat us (believe me, they do it more regularly than any of us let on). We all sling our chairs back from time to time and swear at the game.

I would have quit the genre years ago if playing regularly made me feel frustrated.

[Special World]

I get frustrated sometimes, but it's honestly a very hard genre for me to get really annoyed with. Bullet hell games are incredibly fair but also incredibly hard, so when I get destroyed it's very easy to say "No big, this game in just that tough."

Like playing v1.5, it's really easy to just laugh off how hard the later stages are. They're incredibly brutal. I die and just try again. What did I expect? I'm playing one of the hardest games of all time. I really didn't expect to get past the stage 3 midboss, did I?