1 SCART cable > 2 Others = S-Video SCART cable/Socket?

[BitFaced]

I have 3 basic SCART cables (two with small cables, one with a really thick rubbery cable) and it seems that the "kinda short, thin, non-rubbery cable" looks better than the other two on my VHS player to my HD TV (the one without RGB on the SCART), so I'm wondering if that cable, and by extension the SCART socket support S-Video and the other two cables don't. I do remember a packet for one of them saying "supports S-Video".

The wiring of the supposedly S-Video cable has colourful wires of varying colours, while the other two have differently-coloured wires but a lot of orange cables, if that helps.

[Fudoh]

All scart cables which support RGB do also support s-video (s-video uses the composite pin for luminance and the red pin for chroma). On TVs equipped with two scart sockets usually the first one is for composite and RGB, while the second one is for composite and s-video.

[BitFaced]

All scart cables which support RGB do also support s-video (s-video uses the composite pin for luminance and the red pin for chroma). On TVs equipped with two scart sockets usually the first one is for composite and RGB, while the second one is for composite and s-video.

So, if my HD TV doesn't support RGB on the SCART but does support Composite then does that mean it supports Composite and S-Video?
How do I identify which cables are which?

[Fudoh]

I would be surprised to find a HDTV set which has a physical Scart input, but does support RGB. For composite and s-video alone other connections make much more sense.

VHS recorders don't support s-video output.

[BitFaced]

I would be surprised to find a HDTV set which has a physical Scart input, but does support RGB. For composite and s-video alone other connections make much more sense.

VHS recorders don't support s-video output.

Then am I just imagining it looking slightly better than the two cables? I'll try to describe the pinouts:

Cable #1 (the supposedly better looking cable)
1- Red/Pink
2- Red
3- Light Blue
4- Orange
5- Blue
6- Yellow
7- Green
8- Light Yellow
9- Aqua
10- Black
11- Light Purple
12- Light Green
13- Dark Green
14- Grey
15- Brown
16- Yellow & Black
17- Black
18- Black & White
19- White
20- Purple
+ A (black) protected metal wire at the very end of the cable

Cable #2 (Shorter)
1- Pink/Orange
2- Grey/Brown
3- Black
4- Pink
5- Black
6- Orange
7- Yellow
8- White
9- Brown/Black striped
10- Pink
11- Pink
12- Green
13- Yellow
14- White
15- Green
16- Green
17- Black
18- Black
19- Black
20- Pink/Orange
+Red Protected metal wire at very end

Cable #3 (Thick/Rubbery)

1- Red
2- Blue
3- White
4- Black
5- Orange
6- Black
7- White
8- Red
9- Orange
10- White
11- Black
12- Blue
13- Orange
14- Orange
15- Green
16- Yellow
17- Orange
18- Orange
19- Red
20- Blue

[Fudoh]

Probably one is better shielded or uses proper coax for the video line.... Cable quality matters a lot for analogue video.

[BitFaced]

Probably one is better shielded or uses proper coax for the video line.... Cable quality matters a lot for analogue video.

So is that how it goes then?
For reference my HD TV is Technika 21.6" LCD TV (Model X21.6/54G-GW-TCDU-UK).
Is that helpful as to whether its SCART has S-Video or not?
It's also worth asking if the quality of the SCART cable will matter too much if it's the cable coming from a Hamma AV-100S to a CGA2VGA/GBS-8200.

[BuckoA51]

Is that helpful as to whether its SCART has S-Video or not?

It would be if you had the instruction manual What's the model ref number? There's a bunch of manuals for those TV's here http://www.skymediauk.co.uk/datasheets/manuals.php

[BitFaced]

Wasn't under Technika but matched the code completely:

http://www.skymediauk.co.uk/Downloads/U ... 2-228W.pdf

Nothing on S-Video or RGB, except for this...
It says it does PC RGB, which is assumedly VGA, so I don't know if I could use RGB SCART with it without a scaler/adapter.
It only says "SCART" and never specifies if it can do S-Video or RGB. Maybe through some kind of code on a certain menu... (Like what I did to make its DVD Player region-free)
Oh, and it says it can do 70HZ on VGA input, so I guess that may help the whole "using a SLG 3000 on PAL material" problem I had a while ago.

[Fudoh]

so I guess that may help the whole "using a SLG 3000 on PAL material" problem I had a while ago.

not really. Nearly all VGA port support 640x400@70Hz - basically the Bios/DOS timing....

[BuckoA51]

Maybe through some kind of code on a certain menu... (Like what I did to make its DVD Player region-free)

Unlikely. It's unusual for the manual not to specify the capabilities of the SCART socket. If there's only one then it's probably RGB enabled.

Oh, and it says it can do 70HZ on VGA input, so I guess that may help the whole "using a SLG 3000 on PAL material" problem I had a while ago.

Like Fudoh says, nope. PAL is 50hz not 70hz.

[BitFaced]

Unlikely. It's unusual for the manual not to specify the capabilities of the SCART socket. If there's only one then it's probably RGB enabled.

It wasn't when I utilized PS1 & NGC RGB SCART cables in it.
There's a tiny little chance that they weren't RGB, but both cables I got (that were wired the same) said they were wired for RGB on eBay (one recommended to me by a person on Racketboy forums and he probably meant for a RGB cable) and I was told, on here in fact, that I had the correct NGC RGB SCART cable. When used on the HD TV there was quite an admitable jump from the included Composite cables to RGB SCART, but it may still of been in Composite-esque quality. For all I know those Composite cables could of just been in bad condition. I'd rather have wasted my money (well, nothing too much) on Composite SCART cables and have those annoying diagonally moving lines on my NGC image than having a non-RGB SCART socket. If it helps I can probably list the pinout of the PS1 SCART cables if that helps.

Like Fudoh says, nope. PAL is 50hz not 70hz.

Well there is an option for 50HZ on there too.

[BuckoA51]

Well you have to remember that HDTV's don't deal with retro consoles all that well anyway, things like diagonally moving lines aren't unheard of.

Well there is an option for 50HZ on there too.

50hz VGA is very rare, especially in newer TV's but again not unheard of I suppose.

[BitFaced]

Well you have to remember that HDTV's don't deal with retro consoles all that well anyway, things like diagonally moving lines aren't unheard of.

I must try out the NGC's RGB SCART on an older TV then at some point.

[BitFaced]

Well you have to remember that HDTV's don't deal with retro consoles all that well anyway, things like diagonally moving lines aren't unheard of.

I tried the NGC RGB SCART cable on another HD TV and that didn't have the diagonally moving lines, though the image on that TV may of been blurrier and the image could of been blurred to hide the lines instead of being clear as day.