PS4 / Xbox One console war

[Wonderbanana]

enjoy your anal fisting

Thanks man

I'm not sure how I am being fisted but yeah, I'll be sure to enjoy it.

[O. Van Bruce]

enjoy your anal fisting

Thanks man

I'm not sure how I am being fisted but yeah, I'll be sure to enjoy it.

Those who don't know will repent on purgatory.

Those who know will feel the eternal flames forever.

[Wonderbanana]

Right...

[O. Van Bruce]

Right...

Don't take it too seriously though.

[system11]

Anyone know the best place in the UK to pre-order an Xbox One or is everywhere the same deal wise?

Edit: Sorted - went with Amazon.

This first one to bite the dust. There after a legion will follow.

I don't agree with everything their doing but to be honest their game line up is better (for me anyhow) and the various issues people have don't really affect me. Ultimately I just want to play games I like, not sit twiddling my thumbs basking in my moral victory.

The issues do affect you. The business model kills the long term viability and collectability of games. Imagine if all the SNES and Megadrive games in the world stopped working 10 years ago.

[Wonderbanana]

I don't see the big deal I've pre-ordered one tbh, it doesn't mean I don't understand or agree with some points here - simply it's not a concern for me.

My 360 is always at home and connected, I never trade in since the values are poor unless you do it when the games are new, the Kinect lark is (IMO) overhyped and ill actually save money since my boy can use my game library. Long term it'll be hacked so no biggie and even if it isn't (unlikely) what do I lose? A bunch of games worth a few quid each that I doubt by then ill care about.

I remember the internet kicking off over Steam and Half Life 2 and look how that evolved and turned out. It's not like I really own my Steam or iOS games even now either.

The only factor is what I want to play which exclusive wise, for me, Microsoft wins. Plus I prefer the pad.

I get the hate, fair play. I'd rather the factors were not an issue for sure but bottom line is they do not affect how I buy or play my modern games in the slightest. So my choice at launch is based on what I want to play. I care no more about who sells more consoles or popular opinion than I do with any other purchase.

[ZellSF]

The only factor is what I want to play which exclusive wise, for me, Microsoft wins. Plus I prefer the pad.

The pad that I assume you haven't tried yet?

I remember the internet kicking off over Steam and Half Life 2 and look how that evolved and turned out

Very different than the Xbone will turn out, Xbone is a closed platform, PCs are not.

[BryanM]

I guess.. I guess there was bound to be someone out there crazier over Zoo Tycoon than more Brawl.

Or Fire Emblem x Tensei...

[Wonderbanana]

The only factor is what I want to play which exclusive wise, for me, Microsoft wins. Plus I prefer the pad.

The pad that I assume you haven't tried yet?

That's a joke, right?

Given we know the layout, size and design - given it doesn't differ hugely from previous iterations for either system - how could you possibly not understand why I already have a preference?

[Wonderbanana]

Right...

Don't take it too seriously though.

I'm not.

Nothing wrong with banter

[Wonderbanana]

I remember the internet kicking off over Steam and Half Life 2 and look how that evolved and turned out

Very different than the Xbone will turn out, Xbone is a closed platform, PCs are not.

Do you even remember the first days of Steam, what it was or actually understand why people were unhappy with it?

[louisg]

The only factor is what I want to play which exclusive wise, for me, Microsoft wins. Plus I prefer the pad.

The pad that I assume you haven't tried yet?

That's a joke, right?

Given we know the layout, size and design - given it doesn't differ hugely from previous iterations for either system - how could you possibly not understand why I already have a preference?

I've heard the dpad on individual 360 controllers vary, and even the PS1 dpad feels different from the PS2 one despite them being aesthetically nearly identical... like I am pretty well convinced now that the PS1 dpad is much better than the PS2's.

And who knows what either of these systems will be doing in a year game-wise. When the US Saturn was announced, if you looked at the lineup, you'd be like, "wow! Daytona and Virtua Fighter!", not knowing that these were sub-par rushed ports and the system would have its plug pulled in under 3 years. 'course there was plenty of good stuff for that system, esp. if you imported, but you know-- you can't tell how these consoles will turn out until they launch.

Like the PS4 is looking great right now and everyone is talking about the demise of the xbone, but who knows. Maybe it looks good on paper, but it comes out and the performance isn't so hot. Maybe either this or the xbone breaks after 2 weeks. You can't quite predict these things from a couple E3 showings. Way too premature for a lot of this stuff.

[Ed Oscuro]

Steam is basically my go-to platform when I have $2 I want to blow on some old game (almost never, tbh, because it's still a hassle to deal with compared to something like GoG). I will never buy a game from it for full retail.

Xbox One probably won't ever have game deals close to what you find on Steam.

Steam also is operated with the promise (probably false) that if it ever goes down, they'll make something available to let people use their games in the future. Microsoft hasn't said anything at all on this subject.

And finally Steam has a viable offline mode.

[Udderdude]

I remember the internet kicking off over Steam and Half Life 2 and look how that evolved and turned out

Very different than the Xbone will turn out, Xbone is a closed platform, PCs are not.

Do you even remember the first days of Steam, what it was or actually understand why people were unhappy with it?

I do, and the issues with early 2004-era Steam had nothing to do with DRM. The issues had mainly to do with how slow, buggy and crashy it was, not to mention how it's updates broke itself half the time.

That, and the only game available for it was Half Life 2. It was basically "That thing you got to play Half Life 2 on".

[Zerst]

Do you even remember the first days of Steam, what it was or actually understand why people were unhappy with it?

PC games have been (mostly) built for compatibility to run on constantly evolving hardware. The XBox One, on the other hand, is expected to be a standardized video game platform which will be obsolete and replaced in 6-10 years, with a precedent of the servers being shut down a couple years after the XBox Deuce comes out.

Steam could've turned out to be a disaster, but they supported it somewhat well, and there are no signs of them going "well, we need to improve our infrastructure so now we are going to release Steam 2 and shut off Steam 1, apologies to your now-invalid game collections". Microsoft, on the other hand, has been showing signs of making a huge grab right out of the gate, possibly to try to "cash out" on all the money they invested buying gamers to the 360.

[Wonderbanana]

I've heard the dpad on individual 360 controllers vary, and even the PS1 dpad feels different from the PS2 one despite them being aesthetically nearly identical... like I am pretty well convinced now that the PS1 dpad is much better than the PS2's.

And who knows what either of these systems will be doing in a year game-wise. When the US Saturn was announced, if you looked at the lineup, you'd be like, "wow! Daytona and Virtua Fighter!", not knowing that these were sub-par rushed ports and the system would have its plug pulled in under 3 years. 'course there was plenty of good stuff for that system, esp. if you imported, but you know-- you can't tell how these consoles will turn out until they launch.

Like the PS4 is looking great right now and everyone is talking about the demise of the xbone, but who knows. Maybe it looks good on paper, but it comes out and the performance isn't so hot. Maybe either this or the xbone breaks after 2 weeks. You can't quite predict these things from a couple E3 showings. Way too premature for a lot of this stuff.

Couldn't agree more. I'm no MS lover anymore than I am a Sony hater and as stated I'm only buying a system that has games on I want to play, nothing more. Ill buy a PS4 later down the line I suspect for the same reason

[Wonderbanana]

Do you even remember the first days of Steam, what it was or actually understand why people were unhappy with it?

PC games have been (mostly) built for compatibility to run on constantly evolving hardware. The XBox One, on the other hand, is expected to be a standardized video game platform which will be obsolete and replaced in 6-10 years, with a precedent of the servers being shut down a couple years after the XBox Deuce comes out.

Steam could've turned out to be a disaster, but they supported it somewhat well, and there are no signs of them going "well, we need to improve our infrastructure so now we are going to release Steam 2 and shut off Steam 1, apologies to your now-invalid game collections". Microsoft, on the other hand, has been showing signs of making a huge grab right out of the gate, possibly to try to "cash out" on all the money they invested buying gamers to the 360.

Rubbish. To get my old PC games working would require a ton of hassle and in some cases old hardware due to the rapid advances, especially to even read the media their on. A lot of my physical PC games from years back are nothing more than eye candy on a shelf now.

As for MS, no one knows how it ill turn out but as I said I'm not really bothered. I suspect it'll be hacked at some point which will get round the long term issue and even if it isn't all it means is I'll have a bunch of worthless and useless games on my shelf which a) by then I doubt ill care about and b) won't be any different to the PC games sitting there now.

Steam wasn't always what it was now, before it even launched people were moaning because they had to install it, DRM and spyware arguments were all raised too and it was not always as flexible as now. Even then, if Valve go bust where exactly are these games going to be re-downloaded from? Magic Servers that run for free? Do I back up everything? It'd be easier just to torrent anything I wanted to play.

[BryanM]

A lot of my physical PC games from years back are nothing more than eye candy on a shelf now.

Which ones?

Post-Windows 95 and DirectX/OpenGL submitted as evidence only pliz.

[ZellSF]

The only factor is what I want to play which exclusive wise, for me, Microsoft wins. Plus I prefer the pad.

The pad that I assume you haven't tried yet?

That's a joke, right?

Given we know the layout, size and design - given it doesn't differ hugely from previous iterations for either system - how could you possibly not understand why I already have a preference?

I sure as hell can't tell how good a dpad is from looking at a picture, nor can I tell how good analogs are... Or well a lot of stuff that's pretty important in a controller.

And Steam at launch might have been bad, but I said nothing about that. I said that the Xbone can never turn into what Steam is today because it's a closed platform.

Oh and yeah, I play just about any physical CD/DVD PC game I own today, only physical PC games that are useless to me are floppies.

[Udderdude]

This is just a rumor as of now, but it seems MS might actually listen and change their DRM policies.

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/micro ... 1100-4673/

If true, now all they have to worry about is having overpriced, underpowered hardware and an overloaded feature set .. D:

[Skyline]

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

-No 24-hour authentication, no "always-on" requirement
-No DRM restrictions
-Region-Free

No word on the "unsupported regions" BS from about a week ago, may be thrown out, may not be.

in other news, the Xbone startup sound effect also leaked today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdQioFyRNDk

[trap15]

Nice backpedaling, jackasses. Still intend to never get one.

[Jeneki]

Cool news, but does it still require us to attach some junky gimmick add-on just to function?

[Wonderbanana]

I sure as hell can't tell how good a dpad is from looking at a picture, nor can I tell how good analogs are... Or well a lot of stuff that's pretty important in a controller..

I've pointed out quite clearly my preferences are personal, so I really don't understand why you're persisting with this.

What difference does it make what console I want at launch anyway? I've stated I can live with the restrictions since they have no effect on me and I've also stated I understand why people are unhappy with it as well.

Sing Steam up all you like, their model & success along with iOS is partly what's inspired MS to go down the route their going

Anyhoo, I cba to try and reply to everything on a fecking iPad and neither do I really give a fuck. MS are ugly enough to try and win their own battles, I sure as hell ain't fighting for them and I'd laugh my pips off if they lose out royally this gen too.

I just want to play Forza, Crimson Dragon, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall, Halo & Dead Rising at the end of the day, nothing more. I make no apologies for that and I don't give a monkeys what everyone else does as long as their happy.

Peace

[CMoon]

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

-No 24-hour authentication, no "always-on" requirement
-No DRM restrictions
-Region-Free

No word on the "unsupported regions" BS from about a week ago, may be thrown out, may not be.

Major, major victory! That said, I'm sure we'll see them try this shit again at some point, but I doubt Microsoft will forget the lesson anytime soon.

[Drachenherz]

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

-No 24-hour authentication, no "always-on" requirement
-No DRM restrictions
-Region-Free

No word on the "unsupported regions" BS from about a week ago, may be thrown out, may not be.

in other news, the Xbone startup sound effect also leaked today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdQioFyRNDk

Well, the ONLY (as in, ONLY) reason for me to get an xboner would be a perfect (as in, PERFECT) integration of the oculus rift. (i.e.: full 1920x1080, 60fps graphics, no noticeable lag (<20ms) in headtracking and bodytracking).

And yes, I will stop my constant mentioning of the oculus rift. Promise.



Of course, the xbone can go screw itself x-fold when the ps4 delivers the same experience before.

[Drachenherz]

That said, I'm sure we'll see them try this shit again at some point, but I doubt Microsoft will forget the lesson anytime soon.

Well, in a near future, you can of course trade your discs, but unfortunately not the DLC, which will be necessary for almost each and every game...

[pestro87]

The only thing that's still bothering me is the Kinect spy-cam

[Wonderbanana]

Good news

Slightly gutted about needing the disc back in the tray again but it's better than the alternative for sure.

[MadSteelDarkness]

Now if M$ would just let me play my "indie games" offline i would be a truly happy customer...