Ibara strange value? *nothing strange, my search-fu failed*

[bytestorm]

Hi!
I have been thinking about buying a nice and a little cheaper cave game as my first one and see how i like it..
I really like the look of ibara, but when i searched for valuations of this game, to see what i should pay, then i find ppl payed
as low as 100 GBP (150 usd) for a kit..?? and overall value seems to be 100-140 GBP (150-220 usd) in the valuations thread

how come its so low?? lots of ppl seems to prefer the black label version over this one..

Is it really that bad? should i be better off with a regular raizing game instead? (since i like this style of graphics and gameplay)

[brentsg]

How many years you going back?

I have a spare and wouldn't consider selling it anywhere near the prices you quoted.

[trap15]

Ibara is around $300~$350 or so these days. Still kinda dirt-cheap for CV1000. Mostly because people can't grasp how fantastic it is

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

Those valuations are full retard. I've never seen one that low. It doesn't play like a typical Cave game so it wasn't what people expected when it came out which made the selling price plunge like no other Cave game has ever done. It's a fun game after you understand it, which you will if you read its strat thread entirely and pay particular attention to the rank changing information. But it's about as far from a typical Cave game as Pink Sweets, Dangun and Deathsmiles.

[rancor]

as low as 100 GBP (150 usd) for a kit..?? and overall value seems to be 100-140 GBP (150-220 usd) in the valuations thread

Citations plz. I just bought a NOS kit from G-Front, never opened, never used for Y35,000 ($370), and I considered that a steal. Usually bare boards go for around that price on the forums here, and you'll probably pay about that much to import one from Japan. If you've found a $150 kit, jump on that shit without a second thought.

[chempop]

It was indeed under under $200 a while ago, but it has gone up a bit. As for how the game is, pretty hit or miss depending on what you enjoy, and also your skill level. I would not recommend it to a beginner. For cheap cave, ESPrade might actually be a better choice.

[bytestorm]

Allright I also should have said that the valuations are from random forums,klov,jammaplus etc, i just made a google for ibara arcade value or something like that, to get a glimpse.. checked some of the valuation sections on the common forums, up to around 2 years ago.. was that too long maybe? really change that much in 2yrs?

the more i read, the more i understand that ppl either love or hate this game.. hehe it gets me even more curious!
but the common comment seems to be that the money is better spent in a black label version.

the 100£ was from jammaplus vib_ribbon (might not been a kit, hence the price. was sure i saw it as kit, but cant find that post, so might mixed it)
and that thread is 1,5 y old thou. (http://www.jammaplus.co.uk/forum/forum_ ... ensive-pcb)

So for the PCB only, would it be around 250-350 usd?

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

He said he paid that but he didn't say when. Could have been years before. I've never seen it that cheap. If you look around for the lowest price a board has ever sold for and expect to pay the same you will probably be disappointed. You could find one for 350 or under but like chempop said it's not a good choice for a beginner. Beginners are gravitated toward it because of the price. You have to suicide a player constantly down to no men in stock or the rank rapes you. If you still want it then go for it.

[bytestorm]

He said he paid that but he didn't say when. Could have been years before. I've never seen it that cheap. If you look around for the lowest price a board has ever sold for and expect to pay the same you will probably be disappointed. You could find one for 350 or under but like chempop said it's not a good choice for a beginner. Beginners are gravitated toward it because of the price. You have to suicide a player constantly down to no men in stock or the rank rapes you. If you still want it then go for it.

thats true, my bad well, then i got my answers at least thanks all.
And now I get a better picture about how much to expect to pay for it in case i find it!
Ill guess ill read some reviews and make up my mind, should probably try it before buy, since it indeed might not be a newbie shmup

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

Well it won't be much trouble finding most of the Cave games, either on Yahoo Japan or Japan shops and you can get rancor to middle man them for you. Paying for them is the problem. Espgaluda is a good newbie Cave game or maybe Mushihimesama or if you want something that builds your basic skill quickly, Dodonpachi.

[chempop]

... but the common comment seems to be that the money is better spent in a black label version.

I wouldn't say that. Ibara is practically a thousand dollars cheaper than Ibara Kuro/Black Label.

[brentsg]

There is little relationship between gameplay quality and price for Cave PCBs/kits.

[Wonderbanana]

Ibara bare board often sells for around £170 ($267) to £190 ($298). Probably add about £90ish roughly for a kit (£260/$400 lower end).

There is a board for £170 for sale atm.

[Wonderbanana]

And now I get a better picture about how much to expect to pay for it in case i find it!

Ibara £170: http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=23769

Ibara Kit (no pcb) £95: http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=23769

Edit: Ah I see you found it already

[bytestorm]

And now I get a better picture about how much to expect to pay for it in case i find it!

Ibara £170: http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=23769

Ibara Kit (no pcb) £95: http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=23769

Edit: Ah I see you found it already

Yes I already pmed him

[cools]

Back when it was still nearly new there were kits available at that price level.

Not anymore.

See also: £60 Batrider kits.

[Skykid]

Mine cost £90 delivered.

In 2007.

[bytestorm]

wow
well i am only after bare pcbs, so i hope to find some atleast a little cheaper than kits
but will most certainly buy the ibara 170

[PC Engine Fan X!]

as low as 100 GBP (150 usd) for a kit..?? and overall value seems to be 100-140 GBP (150-220 usd) in the valuations thread

Citations plz. I just bought a NOS kit from G-Front, never opened, never used for Y35,000 ($370), and I considered that a steal. Usually bare boards go for around that price on the forums here, and you'll probably pay about that much to import one from Japan. If you've found a $150 kit, jump on that shit without a second thought.

A brand new Ibara kit that hasn't been initialized, that's cool to have/own just for the novelity factor alone. You don't see those out there in the wilds much nowadays.

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What's interesting about getting ahold of an SH-3 Ibara PCB is, eventually, you'll have to replace the RTC (Real Time Clock) battery on-board the PCB itself so that it retains the correct clock and calendar date settings. Otherwise, it'll be showing the wrong time (if somewhat slower than real time) if the button cell lithium battery's voltage drops below a certain point. On a single demo stage, it does show the correct time including hour hands, minute hands and second hands present as well. How cool is that? On the later SH-3 PCBs, Cave did away with the RTC functionality to save on production costs (i.e. -- the CV-1000 D revision PCBs come to mind like with DDP-DFK version 1.5, DDP-DFK Black Label, Akai Katana and DDP-SDOJ as they don't have battery backed-up RTC functionality whatsoever to begin with -- if you were to do a side-by-side visual comparision of those previously listed Cave PCBs, you'll see none on-board).

Even Cave's arcade puzzler of SH-3 powered Mushihime-tama PCB came with a RTC battery on-board.

Not to mention, there's a cool hidden Ibara "Special Version" mode easter egg to unlock once you get your hands on a Ibara PCB. How cool is that?

If your budget will allow for an Ibara full kit, I'd go for such a mint complete kit of Ibara to start off your Cave arcade PCB collection with a big bang. Can't go wrong going that particular route.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

They probably got rid of the battery spot because the boards keeping time was completely worthless. Adding another part/complexity to the board with no real benefit is just another part that could malfunction. The only cool thing they ever did with it was the clock thing on Ibara, though I'm pretty sure it hasn't actually shown the right time in the garden on my board in attract mode when I checked it.

Does Cave really not boot up their boards before selling them for $2,000? That's some QA system.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

A new RTC battery will surely work wonders for your ailing Ibara board, Muchi Muchi Spork. It worked like a charm for me when I put in a new battery in that bad boy PCB. In reality, on the average, such a RTC battery will last about five to six years at the most (if installed at the factory).

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

I've swapped out the battery on all my boards, just didn't see this garden trick work. I'll try again.