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Obscura wrote:There's a bunch of enemy patterns that consist of lines of slow, aimed shots. Obviously, these are meant to be tap-dodged and grazed off of, since if you move around a lot, you'll make a clusterfuck out of the pattern. However, if you're just tap dodging, you're not right up in everything's face, killing it as quickly as possible.
If you're going to be playing for score, your priority should mainly be on speed-killing enemies during the stage no matter what. Grazing is less of a priority but will definitely help your charge shot for taking down the more resilient enemies when you start to learn how to tackle the stages. The only time grazing becomes a priority for score is when you are facing bosses. As I said, the faster you defeat the phases, the better your multiplier. As far as I know, planned bombs can also be useful for taking down enemies quickly without affecting your multiplier but I'm unsure if this also works on bosses.
Obscura wrote:Score systems that rely on sitting at the top of the screen to speedkill things do much better with fast bullets, since they get off the screen quickly instead of just sitting in your path while you sprint from one side of the screen to the other. See: Dragon Blaze, Sengoku Blade, Dangun Feveron.
This I can agree with, but in the end it's all down to preference. Even if the bullets are crowded on the screen, some good quick evasion is all you really need to weave through them and it certainly isn't enough to annoy me. Plus, if you're speed-killing things half the time you won't really have to dodge much in the first place.
Obscura wrote:According to the manual, the damage your shot does is based on how close you are to the enemy you're firing at. My experience with the dragons in stage 3 seems to match this.
Quite honestly, this is news to me. Where are you reading the manual from? I wouldn't mind reading more about it to see if there are any pointers that can make scoring a bit easier for me. :P
Obscura wrote:No, the boss patterns really are bullshit. There's a lot of them that boil down to "get lucky or die" (examples that come to mind instantly: stage 1 last pattern, stage 2 first pattern, the stage 3 pattern that has the semi-aimed shots that contain you), and then there's crap like the stage 3 pattern with bullets that curve all over the place, making them totally impossible to read.
All of these I'm consistent at and that speaks against you quite a bit. There are only a couple of attacks in the game (not including the secret/extra stage) that I'm inconsistent at and they're on Stage 5. I still think you're just inexperienced.
Obscura wrote:More than once, against those dragons, I've had it push me into another segment of the dragon, which then pushed me back into the segment where I came from, which pushed me into the other segment, back and forth, with me having literally no control over the character until I died.
This is a perfectly reasonable complaint, especially since the game is about point-blanking and speed-killing. In your case though, it's just a matter of knowing where the snakes are going to appear and taking them down before they crawl around the entire stage. Once you learn where they appear, all you have to do is destroy them as quickly as possible and the rest of the screen becomes much more manageable, much like Ketsui. Know the big enemy placements, and destroy them as quickly as possible so that they don't flood the screen with shots.
Obscura wrote:I've never seen any other game, aside from Ibara, with a first stage nearly this hard. The difficulty curve here is really messed up; aside from the boss, the second stage really is much easier than the first, and the third is only slightly harder.
I'd say that they're both equal in difficulty, with stage 3 being a large increase because of the snake management.


Your complaint with collision pushing you around seems to be the only legitimate complaint with this game. As I said, the game may not be for you so go play something else. Something you enjoy. I'd also appreciate it if you would stop posting silly and unreasonable complaints on this thread and start posting on the Shmup Grievances thread instead. I would like to keep this thread more informational on the game rather than having a debate.
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The zip file I downloaded for the demo had a .pdf manual in it.

As I said, the demo is on Nyu media's website:
http://nyu-media.com/exceed-3rd-jade-pe ... k-package/

EDIT:
ROFLMAO, the key config in Exceed 2 literally does not work. No matter how you set it up, it sticks to the default layout.

DOUBLE EDIT:
Aside from some dumb technical stuff, though, Exceed 2 is pretty damn fun. I've never played Ikaruga, so I don't know how that is changing my perceptions.
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good day, gentlemen!

i bought exceed 3 today on steam (well, the whole package, but mainly played the 3rd one so far) and i got a bunch of questions:

* it seems hiscores dont get saved in my hiscore list. why is that? do i have to meet certain conditions in order for scores to be saved? also is there like an online hiscore list?
* how can i save replays?

thanks !

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Bumping this to ask a few questions.

I'm playing the normal "exceed 3rd jade penetrate" (not the black package) and I don't know what are the differences between the two versions. What I want to know is:

On Jade Penetrate, what are the penalties of playing on easy? Can you reach the true final boss/get true ending/reach extra stage (if it's even present on this version) if you play on this mode?
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Jade Penetrate and Black Package are almost two completely different games. Not sure if there are any penalties on playing on Easy on Jade Penetrate but I'd wager that there is none. There is also no Extra Stage in Jade Penetrate, only in Black Package.
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SuperSoaker360 wrote:Jade Penetrate and Black Package are almost two completely different games. Not sure if there are any penalties on playing on Easy on Jade Penetrate but I'd wager that there is none. There is also no Extra Stage in Jade Penetrate, only in Black Package.
Yeah, it's actually sort of weird that they didn't include both Jade Penetrate and Black Package in the bundle.

Maybe to not scare off casuals since JP is way more of a rapefest than BP is.
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I have far more trouble with JP than BP because even though the former have fewer bullets, they're much faster. And I'm always better with more bullets (but slower) than with fewer (but faster).

This original mode is being too hard for me, so I guess I'll try easy instead. I was holding back on playing this mode because I thought there would be no true last boss or something, but at least now I know there is.

By the way, I saw on a Steam topic that the requirements of getting to extra stage (on Black Package) are the following:

-Play on Normal difficulty or higher.
-Auto Bomb must be turned off.
-At no point may continues be used.
-Defeat the stage 2 and 3 mid-bosses without dying and without bombing.
-If you made it this far, Remedy, the 6th stage end-boss, will challenge you to a duel in the middle of stage 4. She has two attack phases, both of which share the one life bar. This battle is relatively easy. Again, you must defeat her without dying or bombing.
-Continue on and complete stage 5. Remember that using continues is a deal-breaker.
-If you did all of the above, you will advance to the extra stage. During the extra stage, no continues can be used. Running out of lives will cause an instant game over.

I met all of the above requirements (although, I did use the Special on midbosses of stage 2 and 3, but not bombs). And Remedy didn't show up for me on stage 4. As such, that made me simply quit the game out of frustration.

Are the above requirements actually correct? I'd like someone to make things more clear to me.
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Sorry, clicked to double post by accident. (derp)
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Synnae wrote: -Play on Normal difficulty or higher.
-Auto Bomb must be turned off.
-At no point may continues be used.
-Defeat the stage 2 and 3 mid-bosses without dying and without bombing.
-If you made it this far, Remedy, the 6th stage end-boss, will challenge you to a duel in the middle of stage 4. She has two attack phases, both of which share the one life bar. This battle is relatively easy. Again, you must defeat her without dying or bombing.
-Continue on and complete stage 5. Remember that using continues is a deal-breaker.
-If you did all of the above, you will advance to the extra stage. During the extra stage, no continues can be used. Running out of lives will cause an instant game over.

I met all of the above requirements (although, I did use the Special on midbosses of stage 2 and 3, but not bombs). And Remedy didn't show up for me on stage 4. As such, that made me simply quit the game out of frustration.

Are the above requirements actually correct? I'd like someone to make things more clear to me.
You also need to have 1cc'd the game before. Did you do that?
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I haven't 1cc'd it yet, today was the first time I played BP version. But will try to do that in a bit.
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I'm kinda disappointed about exceed 3rds story. The first two games are about 2 different sides to a conflict. One notable quote from the second game "how can you protect someone you've never even seen?" (refering to the holy lady) Then the 3rd game comes along and its all "herp derp tournament". Don't get me wrong, its a great game, its just an awful end to the exceed series, storywise. If it wasn't the final game, it'd be different.
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Regarding the story, I have to say I enjoyed the plot in eX1 and 2 more than I did eX3 as well - though I really like eX3's concept of a bunch of girls competing fiercely with no regard for killing the other competitor in the process. :lol:
Yield wrote:Yeah, it's actually sort of weird that they didn't include both Jade Penetrate and Black Package in the bundle.
I think they should have included Jade Penetrate, I mean they included eX1 (which was an utter kusoge) just for completion's sake.
Yield wrote:Maybe to not scare off casuals since JP is way more of a rapefest than BP is.
I disagree, BP is much harder when you start to factor in the Extra Stage and when you play on higher difficulties since the difficulties also affect the density of the patterns on the Extra Stage.
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Are you using the beta patch we released for eXceed 1's story, reading the script off the website, or just already know?
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Oh there was a beta patch? I just read the script on the website.
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cj iwakura wrote:Are you using the beta patch we released for eXceed 1's story, reading the script off the website, or just already know?
Is that the one I helped do a play through and screen grab of to help you settle the word wrapping on Neogaf? If so how is it now?
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Lord Satori wrote:I'm kinda disappointed about exceed 3rds story. The first two games are about 2 different sides to a conflict. One notable quote from the second game "how can you protect someone you've never even seen?" (refering to the holy lady) Then the 3rd game comes along and its all "herp derp tournament". Don't get me wrong, its a great game, its just an awful end to the exceed series, storywise. If it wasn't the final game, it'd be different.
The series hasn't ended. In fact, I think I'll drag Genki Patton here as he met with Teratsuki (head of Tennen-Sozai) to talk about it. There was an eXceed 4th in development so no idea how that's going. Just remember, doujin dev cycles can be quite long. It took 10+ years to get from Project Reflection X in 1997 to RefleX as we know it in 2008. Crimzon Cover also demanded several years and Hellsinker is also reported to have taken a whole damn lot.

One can hope the new entry can come back to a more "serious business" approach story-wise.
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SuperSoaker360 wrote:
Yield wrote:Maybe to not scare off casuals since JP is way more of a rapefest than BP is.
I disagree, BP is much harder when you start to factor in the Extra Stage and when you play on higher difficulties since the difficulties also affect the density of the patterns on the Extra Stage.
Sure, but the extra stage isn't something one should factor in for casuals anyway, since the extra stage isn't something casuals will consciously opt for.

So its difficulty can be ignored in terms of comparison.
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I don't know what happened. I 1cc'd the game once, then did another playthrough with auto-bomb enabled. I met all of the requirements (except for no auto-bomb) and Remedy showed up on stage 4 then said something after I defeated her. But after clearing the game, extra stage wasn't triggered.

Is it true that auto-bomb must be turned off? If that was the case, I'd not even get to see Remedy on stage 4, let alone triggering the short dialogue scene once she is defeated.

I'm starting to think there might be some requirements that must be accomplished after Remedy's fight on stage 4 as well, and perhaps I didn't accomplish them.
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Synnae wrote:I don't know what happened. I 1cc'd the game once, then did another playthrough with auto-bomb enabled. I met all of the requirements (except for no auto-bomb) and Remedy showed up on stage 4 then said something after I defeated her. But after clearing the game, extra stage wasn't triggered.

Is it true that auto-bomb must be turned off? If that was the case, I'd not even get to see Remedy on stage 4, let alone triggering the short dialogue scene once she is defeated.

I'm starting to think there might be some requirements that must be accomplished after Remedy's fight on stage 4 as well, and perhaps I didn't accomplish them.
It's kind of weird and arbitrary. You do need auto-bomb off to get to the Extra stage, but not to fight Remedy in stage 4. I suspect that this was some sort of code oversight.
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Yeah, I turned autobomb off and managed to reach extra stage, but only with 1 life in stock... so I died before even reaching remedy. :(

Something that frustrates me is that I finished my autobomb 1cc with 6 lives total... I just wish I was better at using my resources on the right time, so I'd have less trouble with shmups in general.
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Synnae wrote:I don't know what happened. I 1cc'd the game once, then did another playthrough with auto-bomb enabled. I met all of the requirements (except for no auto-bomb) and Remedy showed up on stage 4 then said something after I defeated her. But after clearing the game, extra stage wasn't triggered.

Is it true that auto-bomb must be turned off? If that was the case, I'd not even get to see Remedy on stage 4, let alone triggering the short dialogue scene once she is defeated.

I'm starting to think there might be some requirements that must be accomplished after Remedy's fight on stage 4 as well, and perhaps I didn't accomplish them.
I found this (credited to Reiko), for unlocking the extra stage:
• Play on Normal difficulty or higher.
• Auto Bomb must be turned off.
• At no point may continues be used.
• Defeat the stage 2 and 3 mid-bosses without dying and without bombing.
• If you made it this far, Remedy, the 6th stage end-boss, will challenge you to a duel in the middle of stage 4. She has two attack phases, both of which share the one life bar. This battle is relatively easy. Again, you must defeat her without dying or bombing.
• Continue on and complete stage 5. Remember that using continues is a deal-breaker.
• If you did all of the above, you will advance to the extra stage. During the extra stage, no continues can be used. Running out of lives will cause an instant game over.

If you managed all this then I guess it must have been a bug of some sort.
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@Yield:

Yeah, I managed all of the above requirements, but had auto bomb enabled. Even though I managed to see Remedy on stage 4 (as well as triggering the dialogue that happens if you defeat her without bombing/dying) the extra stage was still not unlocked. If autobomb must really be turned off, then I don't know what was the point of Remedy showing up on stage 4.

Anyway... I tried again without autobombs afterwards again. This time I got a bit farther... reached one of Remedy's latter phases on extra stage, but still eventually died.

Then I decided to try Hard mode with autobombs. Got a 1cc there as well, but extra stage was obviously not included. At least I did get to fight True Last Boss, tho. So I saved the replay.
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SuperSoaker360 wrote:Oh there was a beta patch? I just read the script on the website.
Yep. I'll have to see if I can find it, but basically swap a file and you get English text. Capcom never approved it, and probably never would've, so we just put it out there.

Shao: don't think we ever tweaked it, but I haven't touched it in a while.
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Is this "beta patch" a translation for the first exceed? I think its wierd to have translated the sequels but not the original.
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Lord Satori wrote:Is this "beta patch" a translation for the first exceed? I think its wierd to have translated the sequels but not the original.
That's correct. Nyu never had the source code for the first game. So we hacked it.

I'll post again once I get it, it's probably on my desktop someplace.
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Yep.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/02nvh ... _trans.exe

This requires all game files to run. Then run it instead of the normal executable, and bam, you can has English bullet hell.

It might be a bit buggy in terms of looks, but it runs fine. (Just tested it)
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Hey, thanks.

By the way, is there anywhere where I can find replays? I can't find any.
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Synnae wrote:I have far more trouble with JP than BP because even though the former have fewer bullets, they're much faster. And I'm always better with more bullets (but slower) than with fewer (but faster).

This original mode is being too hard for me, so I guess I'll try easy instead. I was holding back on playing this mode because I thought there would be no true last boss or something, but at least now I know there is.

By the way, I saw on a Steam topic that the requirements of getting to extra stage (on Black Package) are the following:

-Play on Normal difficulty or higher.
-Auto Bomb must be turned off.
-At no point may continues be used.
-Defeat the stage 2 and 3 mid-bosses without dying and without bombing.
-If you made it this far, Remedy, the 6th stage end-boss, will challenge you to a duel in the middle of stage 4. She has two attack phases, both of which share the one life bar. This battle is relatively easy. Again, you must defeat her without dying or bombing.
-Continue on and complete stage 5. Remember that using continues is a deal-breaker.
-If you did all of the above, you will advance to the extra stage. During the extra stage, no continues can be used. Running out of lives will cause an instant game over.

I met all of the above requirements (although, I did use the Special on midbosses of stage 2 and 3, but not bombs). And Remedy didn't show up for me on stage 4. As such, that made me simply quit the game out of frustration.

Are the above requirements actually correct? I'd like someone to make things more clear to me.
Those are my words, taken from my guide. Here's the full text:
Reaching the 6th (Extra) Stage and battling Remedy
To advance to the Extra Stage, certain conditions must be met.

Firstly, you need to have already 1cc'd (one credit clear, ie. without continuing) the game before on any difficulty. Even the Easy difficulty is fine, and having Auto-Bomb turned on will work as well..

After you have done that, on future playthroughs, you will advance to the 6th stage under the following conditions:
Play on Normal difficulty or higher.
Auto Bomb must be turned off.
At no point may continues be used.
Defeat the stage 2 and 3 mid-bosses without dying and without bombing.
If you made it this far, Remedy, the 6th stage end-boss, will challenge you to a duel in the middle of stage 4. She has two attack phases, both of which share the one life bar. This battle is relatively easy. Again, you must defeat her without dying or bombing.
Continue on and complete stage 5. Remember that using continues is a deal-breaker.
If you did all of the above, you will advance to the extra stage. During the extra stage, no continues can be used. Running out of lives will cause an instant game over.
If you need any more info about the game, you can probably find it in the guide.
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Seems all 3 exceed games have been updated with steam trading cards. Pretty cool.
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