Finally got the Generation NEX console...

CecilMcW00t · Post by **CecilMcW00t** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:42 pm

I'm just a little irritated with it so please bear with me. I was initially going to post and tell you guys how wonderful it is after I got done playing Fnal Fantasy III on it without a hitch. Then I decided to try the few NES games I had on it (wisely avoided re-building my collection of NES carts until I knew how good it worked).

First up was Destiny of an Emperor. No go. So I cleaned it. No go. I clean and clean and clean until there was no more residue on it. I hear the music but all I could see on the screen were colored squares or a white screen. At this point I'm mad, but I just decided to try another game. Pop in Dragon Warrior. Nothing but a yellow screen with this one, and I cleaned it before I even tried it. Dragon Warrior II... Same problem with Destiny of an Emperor. Blocks of doom accompanied by the music from the game. I cleaned the games over and over. Tried again and again. I might as well have bought a toaster model (which would've been cheaper) if I wanted to have "fun" trying to get games to work. What's funny is that the Famicom cart is the only that works perfectly and it looked like it was in worse shape than the NES carts. The damn instruction manual implies that if they don't work after cleaning the cartridge is broken... LOL

I don't know guys, I'm gonna email their customer service and see if there is anything I can do. I don't wanna have to hunt down sealed copies of NES games just to play them on this thing. These games would most likely boot up on a toaster model by now...

Post by **undamned** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:21 pm

I thought there were seperate slots for NES and Famicom? Are you putting them in the same slot?
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CecilMcW00t · Post by **CecilMcW00t** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:33 pm

The slot on the top is for Famicom and the slot in the front is for NES. Even if I was that goofy the slots for each cart perfectly form fitting so I couldn't accidentally mix up the slots unless I cut away part of the cartridge casing.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:13 pm

Very disappointing news this is.

Heck no, it should not be a case of how old the carts are/needing a ton of cleaning. That's part of what the system is suppsed to fix, no more blinking and no more need for blowing on carts, ect. I'm glad I waited until someone bought one before I splurged.

edit: I am linking this thread in TNL NES thread on this. Hope ya don't mind.

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/show ... 1063524555

CecilMcW00t · Post by **CecilMcW00t** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:09 am

Don't mind at all man. Link away! Sunday I'm going to have a friend bring over some NES carts and the original NES for testing. If I have the same problem I will be getting my money back (or maybe a replacement but I'm not sure I want it one anymore). After patiently waiting through all the freakin delays I finally get it and my worst fears are realized. >_<

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:43 am

Nice looking system, but for the price, I'd try to get an official top loading NES. Best way to go, especially if you mod it.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:27 am

Yeah, I'd deifnitely get your money back if his carts don't work. I'd be hopping mad if I was you. Messiah has posted a compatibility list. Says 95% of games are supposed to work. Hmmmm:

http://www.playmessiah.com/onlinestore/ ... -chart.htm

snap monkey · Post by **snap monkey** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:24 am

Dude! No Castlevania III love? That does not rock.

Of course, if it can't play any game...

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:14 pm

snap monkey wrote:Of course, if it can't play any game...

I'll never buy it. Sad. What's the point of making such hardware if it won't work with every NES and Famicom game?

I was actually excited by this thing until I just now read that "95% of the games are supposed to work". 95%? Supposed to? Please. I have a NES that works for 100% of the games made for it and a Famicom ain't that expensive. I heard those work with 100% of the games made for them as well.

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CecilMcW00t · Post by **CecilMcW00t** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:29 pm

As soon as I get my money back from them, I'm definitely gonna go with the official top loading model. It averages about $20 more than this paperweight I got... -_-;

I should've just got that in the first place but they made this thing sound so awesome.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:21 pm

DAMN! This Famiclone was going to be the solution to my NES woes. Damn. Damn. Damn.
Thanks for the heads up, Cecil. I'm sorry for all of us, but esp. you, as you have to deal with getting a refund etc.

So the top-loading models don't have such trouble with loading, etc.? Should I be looking for one of these?

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:42 pm

professor ganson wrote:So the top-loading models don't have such trouble with loading, etc.? Should I be looking for one of these?

Yeah, but you'll want to look for one of the official Nintendo top loaders. A lot of people on eBay try to market their famiclone crap as "NES top loader". The one you want looks like this: http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/2981 ... oad2lm.jpg Sorry for the bad photo. It's the only one I have with a pic of my top loader in it.

Post by **Ghegs** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:50 pm

Such a shame. Some time ago I was considering waiting for NEX to be released, but I ended up getting a real Famicom (second model, looks exactly the same like the one in superhitachi4's picture, but with AV out) instead. A good decision, especially in light of this.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:54 pm

Ghegs wrote:Such a shame. Some time ago I was considering waiting for NEX to be released, but I ended up getting a real Famicom (second model, looks exactly the same like the one in superhitachi4's picture, but with AV out) instead. A good decision, especially in light of this.

The Jap Famicom is the same as the U.S. top loading NES? Never heard of this. Could you post a pic, I am really curious about this, pardon my ignorance...

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:27 pm

The mini Famicom looks like the U.S. mini NES, but it still has the 60 pin Famicom cart standard. (U.S. is 72 pin)

Post by **Ghegs** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:56 pm

Dylan1CC wrote: The Jap Famicom is the same as the U.S. top loading NES? Never heard of this. Could you post a pic, I am really curious about this, pardon my ignorance...

Ask and ye shall receive.

Like superhitachi4 already explained, it's still a Famicom on the inside. Plus it reads "Family Computer" on the front. But damn if it doesn't look sexy. And having AV output makes a huge difference over having just the RF plug like in the top-loading NES. I understand many people have modded the latter to include AV out.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:28 pm

Ghegs wrote:
Dylan1CC wrote: The Jap Famicom is the same as the U.S. top loading NES? Never heard of this. Could you post a pic, I am really curious about this, pardon my ignorance...
Ask and ye shall receive.

Like superhitachi4 already explained, it's still a Famicom on the inside. Plus it reads "Family Computer" on the front. But damn if it doesn't look sexy. And having AV output makes a huge difference over having just the RF plug like in the top-loading NES. I understand many people have modded the latter to include AV out.

Indeed. How hard is the Jap system to find? Can it be easily modded to play U.S. carts or is a converter cart the better route?

And thanks for the pic.

Post by **Ghegs** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:50 pm

Dylan1CC wrote:
Ghegs wrote: Ask and ye shall receive.

Like superhitachi4 already explained, it's still a Famicom on the inside. Plus it reads "Family Computer" on the front. But damn if it doesn't look sexy. And having AV output makes a huge difference over having just the RF plug like in the top-loading NES. I understand many people have modded the latter to include AV out.
Indeed. How hard is the Jap system to find? I assume you have to mod it to play U.S. carts though? Thanks for the pic, Ghegs.

I don't know about the modding, I have no interest in US games. In fact, Recca is my only game for the system so far, but I might increase my Famicom collection at some point. I guess a similar converter to what people use to play Fami games on their NES systems could exist. Only, y'know, the other way around.

Finding the system isn't terribly hard. There are few on eBay right now, just search for "famicom av", but they're stupidly expensive. I paid something like $100 for mine and that included 2 controllers, AV cable, AC adapter (the latter two weren't originally included when the system was sold in stores) AND shipping.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:59 pm

Gorgeous. How much did Recca cost to you Ghegs? Was it cart-only or...?

Post by **Ghegs** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:12 pm

Turrican wrote:Gorgeous. How much did Recca cost to you Ghegs? Was it cart-only or...?

It's complete. And yes, it was hideously expensive. Easily the most money I've ever spent on a single game.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:29 pm

Thanks for all the info, Ghegs. $100, ouch.

That Recca package is beautiful.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:18 am

superhitachi4 wrote:
professor ganson wrote:So the top-loading models don't have such trouble with loading, etc.? Should I be looking for one of these?
Yeah, but you'll want to look for one of the official Nintendo top loaders. A lot of people on eBay try to market their famiclone crap as "NES top loader". The one you want looks like this: http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/2981 ... oad2lm.jpg Sorry for the bad photo. It's the only one I have with a pic of my top loader in it.

Thanks much, superhitachi4! I love that picture. Really nice looking stuff. I especially like the green DC-- I haven't seen it before.

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:24 am

professor ganson wrote:Thanks much, superhitachi4!

Sure, anytime. I think Ghegs's pic was a more detailed example of a top loader though.

professor ganson wrote:I love that picture. Really nice looking stuff. I especially like the green DC-- I haven't seen it before.

Thanks.

That's a random pic from a while back. My friend and I were using the sticks that day, and for some reason we decided to take a pic of some games / systems that were in the room. (some other things were around, but this is what was within reach basically) A few items in the pic belong to a friend of mine (Sega Nomad, GBA, Gamecube, PS2), but the rest belongs to me. Would've liked to have my s-video modified Saturn in there.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:07 pm

jesus christ, ebay needs a reliable method of sorting out the clones. this is just irritating.

Accutron · Post by **Accutron** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:38 pm

professor ganson wrote:I especially like the green DC-- I haven't seen it before.

Aftermarket replacement case?

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:00 pm

Accutron wrote:Aftermarket replacement case?

Yeah, I was lucky a while back, and scored a few replacement cases. Still have a blue one, and a smoke colored one.

Hard as hell to find now though.

FRO · Post by **FRO** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:08 pm

I e-mailed Messiah Entertainment to see if they plan on either firmware upgrades or revision releases of the console to fix compatibility problems. We'll see what kind of response I get...

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:38 pm

Oh man, this really is bad news!

I would get on Ebay and purchase an NES with a new PIN installed-it will last you for years; I would never get a Top-Loading NES-those don't even have AV output, and reportedly have other display issues as well-not too great considering the absurd amount of money they cost. A NES with a new PIN would be much less expensive. Or better yet, go down to a Game Force store, or get on Ebay, and get your self one of the FC "Famiclones"; they are certainly more compatible then the NEX is, and they come with a Famicom-NES cartridge converter.

Or just wait for the Revolution-NES, SNES, and N64 downloads-no imports, but that's still going to be a heck of a lot of old Nintendo gameplay!

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:41 pm

FRO wrote:I e-mailed Messiah Entertainment to see if they plan on either firmware upgrades or revision releases of the console to fix compatibility problems. We'll see what kind of response I get...

Good idea; please let us know what their response is FRO!

BTW, isn't there another Nintendo-clone coming out from a different company? I'm pretty certain that I've heard about one, but I cannot recall the name of it.

extrarice · Post by **extrarice** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:52 pm

It's truly a shame, I played with one of these at Classic Gaming Expo in August, and it worked pretty good (the controllers didn't "feel" right, though).