PS4 / Xbox One console war

[Ed Oscuro]

What a masterpiece of non-committal from that Microsoft guy.

Ran across this:
https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/statu ... 3853476864

@ nZero:

The other side of the coin worth emphasizing is that DDR3 can offer faster timings - and thus faster fetches - for use with a general CPU.

Of course for a closed system like a console this is far less important than throughput, especially if the situation I relayed on from some programmers comes to happen - where both systems' APUs are incapable of offering up more performance and the RAM starts to be used to store precomputed assets. Of course the benefits to rendering and GPU compute you mention aren't bad either.

I find this whole thing rather hilarious because even the PS4's vaunted GDDR5 throughput is more in line with what you'd expect from a graphics card some years old. However the price to performance ratio of the whole system will be a huge comparative benefit.

[TransatlanticFoe]

Xbox One DRM has a 'lot of advantages', says Microsoft

But we won't actually tell you what and how!

Cloud saves? That's an advantage how? Bizarre. This guy seems properly nuts.

[Udderdude]

Steam has cloud saves w/o DRM. Your move, MS.

[Specineff]

Microsoft trying to outdo sega and atari for quickest console failure? They really want sony to kick their ass. lol

I hope you're talking about the SMS.

[Friendly]

And we are done here. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main

No renting, private sales, loaning and basically owning of games.
Mandatory online checks every 24h or Xbone is disabled (except for TV).
Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers.

[TransatlanticFoe]

lol confirmed max 24 hours offline after all. I really hoped that wouldn't be true. Moved house? Enjoy not playing your console for a month while you wait for a connection!

Insert vitriol here

Bye Microsoft.

[hail good sir]

times

[Jeneki]

So, this part:

You are in control of your personal data: You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission.

Is "explicit permission" a part of the EULA?

[hail good sir]

york

[louisg]

Wow, this is really shitty.

Now the ball's in Sony's court to totally screw up. Hopefully this won't be one of those generations where I can't wait for the damn thing to end.

[Ed Oscuro]

/ 10

Is "explicit permission" a part of the EULA?

lol!

You know, fuck Microsoft and stuff. It is enjoyable to imagine this scene being enacted on top of pretty much every Microsoftie who went along with this. "What's that? You deleted the Japanese feedback three times?!" Somewhere at Microsoft there are people contemplating suicide and/or laminating copies of their resume.

Also, this got sort-of announced yesterday. Totally not Half-Life 2 with mechs, and that's totally not Alxyoey on top of the robot there. Now, the part that's loltastic, which unfortunately isn't a part of any of the links I can find now for some reason:

They're releasing for PC, 360, and Xbox One. Why not PS4? Because going multiplatform would be "too hard." Hope that decision doesn't come back and bite ya, Respawn Entertainment. Also, fucking around with cloud computing (and the eSRAM cache) to salve the bums of Xbox One owners is easier than just going with the PS4. Totally.

[Stormwatch]

Sony officially states that PlayStation 4 will not have DRM against used games

Sony has made it official that it won't be implementing any sort of DRM in the PlayStation 4 to stop the use of used-games The confirmation comes in the form of Sony retroactively having answered the question of used-game DRM. Kotaku had decided to contact Sony directly about the question, and the Sony representative pointed Kotaku towards a statement made by Sony studio chief Shuhei Yoshida back in February.

According to Yoshida, "At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that."

Sony has been playing the PR game quite well with its next-gen console. Just recently, Sony boss Kazuo Hirai said that for the PlayStation 4, games come first. This comes in the wake of Microsoft's controversial Xbox One unveiling where the company talked about the Xbox One's TV capabilities for the majority of the event.

At the D11 conference, Hirai said, "The most important thing we need to do is agree and understand that the PS4 is a great video game console that appeals to video gamers." He continued, "If we miss that part, I don't think we get the initial establishment of the console. That formula has worked for us with all our consoles, including the PS3."

This doesn't mean that the PlayStation 4 won't have any non-gaming functionality, though. Hirai has said that the company will be revealing more non-gaming related functionality of the PS4 later. "Providing other non-game content is an area we will reveal and talk about in the coming months, but it's first and foremost a video game console." Sony is bound to unveil more information about the PS4 at the upcoming E3.

The PlayStation 4 is expected to hit stores later this year.

sauce

[Ed Oscuro]

I guess this means that EA will be bringing back online passes after all. And probably some other people will follow suit. "The PS4 is a nice machine but it makes some strategic functions more difficult than they need be," he added.

[Lord Satori]

I'm going to laugh when microsoft finally drowns in its own pool of virtual blood and vomit thats been building up for awhile. I feel proud to say that I've never owned a microsoft console.

edit: "strategic functions" eh? Just say it. The PS4 isn't for business fags who only make games to make money, and you don't like that.

[trap15]

Please lay off saying fag, thanks. Especially when you come back from a break when I was just getting used to not having to mentally filter posts to ignore yours.

[Ed Oscuro]

Splitting hairs: Technically Kotaku state that Sony haven't answered their questions #1 (about online activation...but they really have answered that question) and #3 (about used games), as if there is some serious reason for thinking that either of these strategies hasn't been ruled out in various Shuhei Yoshida statements or by the total lack of information about disc-write based console locking and so on.

I feel proud to say that I've never owned a microsoft console.

I feel proud to say I owned MS consoles back when they meant something. No regrets about supporting From Software and Team Ninja either.

I'd love to see them led back to the path of righteousness and all that, but money money money is totally ruling the future so it seems unlikely.

Awesome useless "fag" comment btw. That was obviously a parody of marketdroid speak, don't be daft (and bigoted to boot).

[njiska]

And we are done here. http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main

No renting, private sales, loaning and basically owning of games.
Mandatory online checks every 24h or Xbone is disabled (except for TV).
Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers.

Yeah, that has pretty much killed any interest I have in the console until it's modable. While I do like the "share with 10 people" feature of the licensing model, I'm not willing to give Microsoft the same amount of trust I give Valve."

Did some quick math. Pretty sure I've spent well over $10,000 on the Xbox 360. Nice to know I'm not spending one cent on the Xbone.

[dcharlieJP]

biggest worry would be , if i wasn't giving this machine the finger, is my Live account is a UK one but i'm physically located in Japan

Whilst this has worked to date with no issues, i have a horrible feeling that we're going to start getting IP checked or something similarly stupid.

Yes, i could VPN around it but the whole thing is just starting to sound like there's too many hoops to jump through to eventually play games.

[Skykid]

Hrm.

There's something rather good about the sharing your licences thing. This gen I often had to buy or get my brother to buy a physical copy of a game so we could play online. I'm guessing sharing access to your entire games library pretty much eliminates that. I don't have ten family members who want to play games (1 in fact) so that means I could give a ton of mates access to my games and everyone could play online without having to purchase the game themselves. Have I understood that correctly?

All the other shit aside, doesn't that sound weirdly generous to anyone?

[Specineff]

Hrm.

There's something rather good about the sharing your licences thing. This gen I often had to buy or get my brother to buy a physical copy of a game so we could play online. I'm guessing sharing access to your entire games library pretty much eliminates that. I don't have ten family members who want to play games (1 in fact) so that means I could give a ton of mates access to my games and everyone could play online without having to purchase the game themselves. Have I understood that correctly?

All the other shit aside, doesn't that sound weirdly generous to anyone?

Knowing MS, you probably won't be able to play the same "license" online from two places at once. One player, one copy.

Soon we'll need to pay each time we want to play or continue. Just like the arcades of old, only not.

[Ed Oscuro]

Pretty sure I've spent well over $10,000 on the Xbox 360.

fucking

HOW?

I don't mean to be rude but when I spend $10 let alone 1000 times that I like it to be worth something in the future. I could flip almost all my game purchases for a profit, and that includes years of picking up shit PC games and the occasional Sega Genesis copy of Desert Strike from Goodwill.

It kind of boggles the mind to see how much some people invest in this. Some time ago Marc was saying

(I'm up to 97 games and I'm not a prolific buyer)

and if we go a ways back into the mists of time we find

I can vividly remember buying 4 and 5 brand new games a week for a while and being blown away at all of them.

...for the Dreamcast.

I mean holy shit, how does everybody find time and money?

And yet Friendly goes and bashes people for buying a single collectible they probably can flip. Money-wise, I'd rather have a bunch of my eggs in one basket than wave good-bye to the depreciation of games' value since bought at retail.

I've only spent...hmm, probably still less than the cost of a retail 360 on all my 360 stuff. That includes the cost of the console ($10).

BACK ON TOPIC:

You know, there is something about the Sony denial of DRM: They always say it's up to the publisher to implement something - which suggests that there may well be some infrastructure in place that a publisher to could use. I doubt Sony is spending any money implementing it, but if it's simply redirecting users to a publisher's servers, the publisher's servers could use a combination of a console ID plus a code to block the game when it's played on different consoles - requiring you input a code to get access to the publisher's servers from the start, of course. And it seems pretty reasonable to expect that Sony will reveal console codes to publishers (even though this is IMO a probable security risk and a generally Bad Idea).

[Skykid]

Knowing MS, you probably won't be able to play the same "license" online from two places at once. One player, one copy.

Ah good point. I didn't think about that since the way they worded it didn't make that aspect particularly clear (on purpose, most probably.)

[Ed Oscuro]

Steam has implemented "account only active at one physical location at one time" for years, and that translates to "you only get to play the game one place at a time." as a bonus you can't use a couple games you own on multiple consoles around the house, presumably, unless they do something unexpected. Cripes, though, people have multiple cable boxes and even some people have multiple DVRs (to the harm of the environment and the power grid), this is gonna be ugly. It's funny, it wasn't very long ago that Nintendo implemented DS download play as a way to get people interested in playing (and hopefully buying) games, and as a convenience. Of course this goes straight in the other direction. You can't even host multiple consoles without essentially buying multiple licenses, not that this is going to be common at all, but it's ruled out all the same. Makes you realize that it's easy to collect PlayStations, Genesis systems, and other stuff, and play games on any at a whim (or depending on what's working at the moment), but there's no reason to expect that to happen at all here.

Modchips? Say hello to the DMCA.

[Skykid]

Well at this stage one can only hope that the Xbox One is a catastrophic failure and that the world's enormous contingent of halfwits don't endeavour to make it otherwise. It needs to fail horribly on principle, just so the industry can reassert itself and realise gamers will only pay for what they want, not what money grubbing blue chip dictatorships want. If Sony are smart enough to read between the lines and go the other way, and be successful because of it, we can at least rest easy that no-one will be rushing to follow Microsoft's system of oppression again for some time.

The sad thing for MS is, the basic business model under the Xbone has potential - it could have been the all-in-one entertainment content provider they wanted, but they clobbered it with unrealistic requirements, Kinect, and DRM. It's all too soon for that jazz. Games consoles should be game's consoles first and foremost - it's the other proponents if the entertainment industry that encourage console manufacturers to add successful additions when they arise. I rarely consider a games console to be a successful innovator in anything outside of its core purpose. All the multimedia aspects are just bolt-ons of existing products and services, as they should be.

[Friendly]

How Sony can win E3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGnnZMjSPBk

[MOSQUITO FIGHTER]

By the way, I was wondering if somebody from Destructoid has been lurking the forum...don't recognize the movie still, though, so maybe there's some context to it I don't know.

Friendly is a triple agent.

[Friendly]

This just in: The NSA is data-mining the information Microsoft (and other providers) collect: http://www.washingtonpost.com/investiga ... story.html

They love Kinect 2.0.

[Ed Oscuro]

the industry can reassert itself

Well,

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/07/ ... -bombshell

Most on board are like 'lulz' buteven the mighty cliffyb and Carmack might have to bow down ;_;

I've never heard of some of the companies behind the supportive comments

This just in: The NSA is data-mining the information Microsoft (and other providers) collect: http://www.washingtonpost.com/investiga ... story.html

They love Kinect 2.0.

Yakov Smirnoff: I saw ad in newspaper that said "We have best prices and stand behind our furniture for 6 months."

That's why I left Russia.

[Friendly]

PRISM was launched from the ashes of President George W. Bush’s secret program of warrantless domestic surveillance in 2007, after news media disclosures, lawsuits and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court forced the president to look for new authority.
Congress obliged with the Protect America Act in 2007 and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which immunized private companies that cooperated voluntarily with U.S. intelligence collection. PRISM recruited its first partner, Microsoft, and began six years of rapidly growing data collection beneath the surface of a roiling national debate on surveillance and privacy.

You can't make this shit up.

[Friendly]

In other news, the Doritos Pope (Geoff Keighley) confirmed a few days ago that Spike TV will only stream Microsoft's E3 press conference, not Sony's. I bet that cost Microsoft a pretty penny.