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Welp, this should please CHI.

http://www.naturalnews.com/040365_Angel ... ision.html
Angelina Jolie's announcement of undergoing a double mastectomy (surgically removing both breasts) even though she had no breast cancer is not the innocent, spontaneous, "heroic choice" that has been portrayed in the mainstream media. Natural News has learned it all coincides with a well-timed for-profit corporate P.R. campaign that has been planned for months and just happens to coincide with the upcoming U.S. Supreme Court decision on the viability of the BRCA1 patent.
"Salt Lake City-based Myriad Genetics (MYGN) holds the patent on the test that determined the actress had an 87% chance of developing breast cancer, as well as the genes themselves," wrote MarketWatch.com.

And that's only the beginning. If the U.S. Supreme Court can be influenced to uphold Myriad's patent, it could mean a trillion-dollar industry over just the next few years. Even more, Myriad Genetics is reportedly "ripe for mergers" according to the financial press, because it's part of the super-hot human genome industry.
But here's what's even more crooked about all this: You know how Obama likes to talk "free market" but actually engages in so-called "crony capitalism" by handing out money to all his corporate buddies, Wall Street insiders and deep-pocketed campaign donors? Part of Obamacare -- the "Affordable Care Act" -- mandates that taxpayers pay for BRCA1 genetic testing!

Myriad Genetics, in other words, stands to receive a full-scale windfall of profits mandated by government and pushed into mainstream consciousness through a campaign of "medical terror" fronted by Angelina Jolie and the New York Times. Are you starting to see how this all fits together yet?
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So if you had an 87% chance of getting a deadly cancer in an organ that could be removed, you wouldn't do it?

Obama didn't decide the patent was valid, the courts did. What should he do now, not offer it and let people die?

Medical Terror? People like this almost don't deserve to be saved by modern medicine when they need it. And they all come begging when reality finally sets in.
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Angelina Jolie's announcement of undergoing a double mastectomy (surgically removing both breasts) even though she had no breast cancer is not the innocent, spontaneous, "heroic choice" that has been portrayed in the mainstream media. Natural News has learned it all coincides with a well-timed for-profit corporate P.R. campaign that has been planned for months and just happens to coincide with the upcoming U.S. Supreme Court decision on the viability of the BRCA1 patent.
What would "innocent" mean in this case? What is supposed to be the crime?
I have never heard any man called "guilty" of vasectomy.
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Her aunt just died of breast cancer...so.... no, dude.
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:roll: Jolie spoke out against the high cost of medical testing for BRCA1 mutations in her statement. To say that she's part of some conspiracy to maintain these patents is... patently absurd. Hopefully these patents get shot down as their high cost is scandalous. It now costs less to sequence an entire genome than to perform one of Myriad's tests.
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Guys, the problem is not Angelina Jolie getting a mastectomy, which in any case could have been a real prevention treatment. The problem is how the human genome investigation is being merchantilized and used ultimately for profit.
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Old news, actually:
Time cover issue

It's not unreasonable that you posted it now. In fact, it's damned surprising (to me, anyway) that this could be considered anything like an "Angelina Effect." Sure, I don't religiously track women's health issues or Twitter trends, so maybe I missed a real groundswell of support. My first reaction was that they were downgrading patients talking to doctors, as if reading a magazine could replace that step, or that the "Angelina Effect" would mean that somebody couldn't have a legitimate reason to opt out of going with what is, in my understanding, a fairly innocuous procedure. I thought they were trying to manufacture an "Effect" for the sake of using a celebrity to push a procedure. I don't mind using coincidences (here's a celebrity who had a procedure done, here's her aunt who died) as a springboard for making a usually faceless medical story have some human interest, but the whole thing smelled wrong to me.

Fake edit: And I wrote all the above before reading the OP, LOL! Time's quality standards have apparently been slipping ever since they kept Fareed on - bless him, though; it was the right choice not to let him go, but that Time could have allowed that to happen was terrible and inexcusable. This is bad too, not merely because of the abuse (IMO) of a cover story slot, but because this is a naked attempt to distort the discussion and it flew entirely over the heads of the editing staff.

Speaking of distortion, on to Natural News. While I think that many of their talking points could be defended, at least in generalities (there's some views in that article I'm sympathetic to, i.e. that screening can lead to unnecessary treatment that hurts women - or men, in the case - is certainly true, although it's not the public health disaster it's portrayed as there), they're not engaging with the issue at all. Their article is basically their going "look at this terrible conspiracy!!" and then listing everything they don't like (and, coincidentally, everything which they aren't running an ad for). If Time (and People Magazine, and anybody else who ran the story as it was in Time) made a mistake in its choice of tone, this little fly-by-night online gossip column is going to confuse people even worse. You don't say "here's my research!" and then just lay out a bunch of what is, at a glance, unresearched conspiracy-mongering. They've basically stated the doctors, and the hospital where Jolie underwent treatment, were part of a conspiracy. Okay, got any proof of that? LOL, you won't find any - because it didn't happen.

Really, I'm rather disgusted with the hype from both sides on this story, but one side comes off immeasurably worse. Is it cool to abuse celebrity to try to be an "opinion leader," or (in the case of the magazines) to wink and nod about it with your headlines? Arguably not, but that story is as old as humanity. Is it cool to try to springboard off the core attempt to educate people, even if the original hook was kinda dumb, with an apparently unsubstantiated claim, misleading people about pretty much every aspect of the story? Clearly not. "Natural News" looks to cancer reporting as L. Ron Hubbard was to psychiatric care journalism. If you had to choose between a 'manufactured P.R. campaign' that is attempting to give people a new way into the story almost any cancer doctor will agree with, or a site which is trying to piggyback off that to sell ads which play off common health fears and which is advertising unregulated quack remedies - damn, I wouldn't have to think twice.

It goes to show that people who want their stories wrapped up with a neat little bow, and who live by the soundbite or headline phrase, will be disappointed. As always. It's also a dumb thing to do.

I would say that this reminds me of the time years ago when I posted some "independent historical research" without carefully reading both sides (or using my brain, that would've helped too), although I shouldn't mention it since it wouldn't help OVB to make that specific comparison, lol
MadScientist wrote::roll: Jolie spoke out against the high cost of medical testing for BRCA1 mutations in her statement. To say that she's part of some conspiracy to maintain these patents is... patently absurd. Hopefully these patents get shot down as their high cost is scandalous. It now costs less to sequence an entire genome than to perform one of Myriad's tests.
And while I write a treatise on media ethics, MadScientist finds the smoking gun. Nice work!
O. Van Bruce wrote:Guys, the problem is not Angelina Jolie getting a mastectomy, which in any case could have been a real prevention treatment. The problem is how the human genome investigation is being merchantilized and used ultimately for profit.
Is it? I was upset about that when I heard about the probable Supreme Court deliberations - long before the Time cover story - but I doubt that if I had posted anything you would have responded. Or not, maybe. Lately I was thinking about posting this - also something damn important - but decided against it. You have to admit that the only reason this thread seemed marketable was because your source shamelessly manufactured a sinister spin on a human-interest story, one which has very little to do with whatever "lesson" we try to draw out of the clusterfuck of a website that is "Natural News." You could probably load up any unrelated story and they would spin it the same way, finding some tenuous reason or other to spring into their usual pet issues, and the same ads - "if you take vitamins you're eating rocks," "delicious algae," and "breaking news: dipshits don't understand vaccination," etc.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Speaking of distortion, on to Natural News.
Well, Natural News is basically Pseudoscience Central. It's not a credible source for anything. The founder, Mike Adams, is a proponent of all sorts of quackery and uncritically accepts every hatstand conspiracy theory out there.
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I should confess that I read this on an spanish speaking media first. When I wanted to share it with you, I just posted the first article I saw on the web using the same argument I found. Didn't know Natural News had that kind of reputation... anyway, my views have moderated after reading some comentaries on that same page I linked.

This doesn't change the fact that I don't like how the human genome investigation is proceeding, and how information is being shared based on how much money can you offer to the reasercher. That information can save lifes, and using it only for profit is unethical for me.
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IRT Mad Scientist:

Edited my post to add a reply to OVB, describing the ads - yeah, that immediately jumped out at me when I noticed the ads. I hate to admit it, but you can save a lot of time trying to figure out an article by just looking at the ads, sometimes. In any case that page is a bullshit buffet, with plenty of helpings to choose.

Speaking of conspiracies, I wonder how the site owner might react if somebody ran down all his ads and found out how many of his suppliers had links to foreign organized crime. Ahh that's some good shit right there! The site's involved in a conspiracy of its own, and it's pretty thoroughly corrupt. Congress needs to get its shit together and throw these assholes in the furnace.

OVB: We really can't have a good discussion if you first change your sources, and then refer back to something we can't read since it's not linked, and when you next change the story from "terrible conspiracy / Branjelina is a lie!" to "oh hey biopatents." Pretty soon we're going to be talking about moon aliens.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:OVB: We really can't have a good discussion if you first change your sources, and then refer back to something we can't read since it's not linked, and when you next change the story from "terrible conspiracy / Branjelina is a lie!" to "oh hey biopatents." Pretty soon we're going to be talking about moon aliens.
I dind't even want a discussion in the first place, since I'm very ignorant on this issue. My main interest was to know what you thought about this info since there are very informed people here.

I linked the media in spanish BTW, It pretty much says the same as the Natural News article though.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Would you like a copy of my newsletter?
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I wasn't sure about the legal conflicts between testing specifically for BRCA1 vs getting a whole genome sequence (WGS), but after reading this article...

http://www.genomicslawreport.com/index. ... t-for-now/

...it appears that (for now) you can essentially bypass the Myriad patent by sequencing the entire genome. Their patent refers to an 'isolated' (key term) version of the gene whereas a WGS gets around that by sequencing everything (and thereby not 'isolating' the BRCA genes). This article is a few years old and the costs they list for a WGS have dropped dramatically since then, to the point where they would be a viable alternative to one of Myriad's BRCA tests. Might have to see if I can track down a more recent discussion on the topic to see if this still holds up.
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GaijinPunch wrote:In before the conspiracy theories renders this thread fucking useless...
Not fast enough..
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Anything that needs to be said on the subject: Patents on genes/gene-sequences are bullshit.
Which is why such patents are invalid in the European Union.
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That Natural News site is a known crackpot/quack news site ..
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Sounds like the patent is on something of a sorting/parsing algorithm for genes. If that is the case, I'm sort of torn. If the research was done independently (self funded), that researcher/team should be rewarded for their hard work. On the other hand, if the results of this testing are reliable, this information could save many lives and should be made known globally.
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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

Anything on Natural News should be taken with a whole mountain of salt .. it's likely Angelina Jolie has nothing to do with those patents and this guy is just making connections where none exist.

While the BRCA1 and BRCA2 gene patents are pretty ridiculous, they're also set to expire soon, starting in 2014.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRCA1#Pate ... ontroversy
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A bit more on the "esteemed" Mr. Adams.
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2010/ ... adams.html

Edit: The links to his articles are dead now but a nice overview of the man is still given.
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Jon wrote:A bit more on the "esteemed" Mr. Adams.
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2010/ ... adams.html
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Udderdude wrote:http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

Anything on Natural News should be taken with a whole mountain of salt .. it's likely Angelina Jolie has nothing to do with those patents and this guy is just making connections where none exist.

While the BRCA1 and BRCA2 gene patents are pretty ridiculous, they're also set to expire soon, starting in 2014.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRCA1#Pate ... ontroversy

lol... I still have to take a look at the foot notes but what a reputation...
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O. Van Bruce wrote:You, as in plural...
It's a pity English lost "thou", this distinction is very useful.
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I can't believe anyone would be dumb enough to quote something so innately full of quackery and bullshit as Natural News. I'm pretty sure Quackwatch has boatloads of shit on Mike Adams.
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Today I learned Phyllis Schlafly spawned.

Today is a sad day.

But at least the guy is a "homeschool teacher." I guess that means his influence is limited, right? Oh, he also runs Conservapedia.

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brentsg wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:In before the conspiracy theories renders this thread fucking useless...
Not fast enough..
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BareknuckleRoo wrote:I can't believe anyone would be dumb enough to quote something so innately full of quackery and bullshit as Natural News. I'm pretty sure Quackwatch has boatloads of shit on Mike Adams.

I didn't even know about that news site until now :lol:
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The connections made is a stretch but I wouldn't be surprised if we later find out that it is exactly the way the poster described, for now, it is a theory. On the topic of natural news, there was a time I read articles on the website and they were actually informative pieces such as the one on the chemicals added to city water, this was about 2 years back I think. Recently visiting the site, the featured article was flaming about Chinese being a soulless people...err, basically its a website with minimal but true science topped off with a lot of propaganda. Anyone else agree?
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