PS4 / Xbox One console war

[Friendly]

analogies about serious infectious diseases that threaten lives and ail people all over the world

That's actually a pretty apt description of DRM. It's threatening my life as a gamer.

[Ed Oscuro]

We should defeat the disease so we can enjoy our aid...I mean games, whenever we like.

[Jonathan Ingram]

A few in-house killer apps and encompassing price drop, and we could be partying Gamecube style all over again.

A few lonely releases early on and a premature death - that`s a style that anyone who cares about gaming should strive to avoid, methinks. Nintendo pretty much dropped any meaningful Gamecube support after 2002. And even the Wii, as successful as it was, was dead in the water after 2010.

I know you love Nintendo, but they haven`t been good to console gaming in a very long time.

[Skykid]

I know you love Nintendo, but they haven`t been good to console gaming in a very long time.

I have respect for Nintendo.

Your position is relative to what you enjoy, of course. I'd argue the 3DS is very good to console gaming - far superior to the Vita, currently.

That the Wii U is a remarkable flop doesn't mean Nintendo can't release something for it that makes competing console software look positively sleep-inducing: they've been doing that for years.

[neorichieb1971]

Its a strange world we live in today where the core audience of a product is ignored in favour of a crowd of people who would buy it thinking its what the core audience wanted.

I haven't watched any footage of this console. But one thing is for sure. It sounds like the Xbox and 360 branding just became some sort of fake launch pad for this console.

[neorichieb1971]

you better hope PS4 is good. Because from where I'm sitting its the best of the 3.

would be funny if they miss a Euro Xmas launch, as per freakin usual.

[Skykid]

you better hope PS4 is good. Because from where I'm sitting its the best of the 3.

Agreed... so far. We know next to nothing about it. Not even what it looks like.

The entire next gen can take a running jump anyway. It's more enjoyable to ridicule it than actually play anything.

Everyone go play Undeadline and wash your hands of the whole filthy debacle.

[Friendly]

would be funny if they miss a Euro Xmas launch, as per freakin usual.

UK paper ad from today:

[Jonathan Ingram]

I'd argue the 3DS is very good to console gaming - far superior to the Vita, currently.

I meant home consoles.

[MX7]

I'd argue the 3DS is very good to console gaming - far superior to the Vita, currently.

I meant home consoles.

Given the resolute paucity of quality games in the last console generation, I think it's only natural that we should focus on handhelds more. I know I would have found it all but impossible to maintain an interest in post 2005 (home) videogames without the DS.

[Skykid]

I'd argue the 3DS is very good to console gaming - far superior to the Vita, currently.

I meant home consoles.

Fair enough. But if you can explain to me why the Wii and Wii U are somehow bad for console gaming, I'm all ears. Assuming you've owned one of course, and are basing the accusation on experience.

[Skykid]

^ LOL, after all that, SPORTS advertising.

[Friendly]

Mentioning football (aka soccer) in a UK ad seems like a good idea.

[system11]

sony doesn't charge you for psn. sony wins.

PSN sucks though, and XBL didn't used to. I'll take reliable and fully featured over free every time.

[AntiFritz]

I've never owned a ps3, but isn't playing games online pretty much the same between consoles? What makes psn worse then xbl?

[Skykid]

Mentioning football (aka soccer) in a UK ad seems like a good idea.

Pretty sure anything Sony do seems like a good idea to you, dude. Including not encrypting your bank details on their servers.

[neorichieb1971]

I've never owned a ps3, but isn't playing games online pretty much the same between consoles? What makes psn worse then xbl?

From what i've seen Xbox live has a user friendly interface that works better than PSN.

What makes PSN better for me personally is that I only go online about 10 times a year at most. At least 9 of those times I get my ass handed to me sideways, even on Tetris. Gamers around the globe are much better than I gave them credit for before the invention of online gaming. I thought I was good at games.. If I paid for a service I would feel obligated to use it even though I don't want to.

I prefer slow paced adventure games with exploration, a great art style that draws you in. So games like The last guardian are my cup of tea. Things like COD and Halo I don't find entertaining at all.

Out of all the games I play online, ultra bomberman is one I would like to play, but on PSN it crashes your system. I never felt good at any game online since Need for speed hot pursuit. After playing that game, I've never felt the need to play another racing game. Its perfect.

As for online gaming. The experience is marred not by technology or software, but the people online. I quite often get annoyed at people blasting music and generally being obnoxious.

[Jeneki]

I meant home consoles.

Supposedly Vita will output to TVs, although I don't have one so I don't know how good it is. Do they let you use other controllers on them? At that point, a Vita would basically be a console.

[Jonathan Ingram]

But if you can explain to me why the Wii and Wii U are somehow bad for console gaming, I'm all ears. Assuming you've owned one of course, and are basing the accusation on experience.

Sure, I can. But it`s nothing new and you`ve probably already heard these points elsewhere many times.

The reliance on gimmicks as the main selling point over hardware advancements and meaningful gameplay innovation. Outdated online infrastructure coupled with a derelict online store that ties your purchases to your console rather than your account. Abysmal third-party relations leading to prolonged software droughts. The never-ceasing whoring of several decades old franchises.

And yes, of course I own a Wii and plan on getting a Wii U once it drops in price a bit.

[Friendly]

Mentioning football (aka soccer) in a UK ad seems like a good idea.

Pretty sure anything Sony do seems like a good idea to you, dude. Including not encrypting your bank details on their servers.

In the UK, FIFA 13 was the second best selling video game of 2012.

Would you kindly dispense with the nonsense? You were on such good behaviour for a few weeks.
We understand you hate Sony, really (super really) do. You feel the need to compensate for the (justified) criticism and laughter currently directed at Microsoft. Unfortunately Sony hasn't supplied much ammo lately. But please don't bring up fascinating new stories of how Sony destroyed poor innocent Lik Sang* next.

*Seller and maker of game copiers, mod-chips and flash cards. In 2002, the company was sued by major game console producers, such as Sony Computer Entertainment, Nintendo, and Microsoft, alleging contributory copyright infringement.

[BryanM]

Eh, I agree that Pikman: Superhero edition is kind of /r/tarded to require the touchscreen. I mean... I guess a Diablo clone with pointer controls kind of makes sense... but... then you're playing on a 3DS tethered to a TV for no reason.............................

... and fuark I had forgotten about the red rings. MS, wat u do.

[Jonathan Ingram]

It`s precisely because so many people are eager to bend to dubious corporate practices and pay for services that have been free since the dawn of time that we can`t have nice things.

XBL does possess a pretty good interface as has been pointed out by neorichieb1971 and has a cross-game party chat(which I personally don`t give a crap about), but the actual online play is not better. And certainly not to the point where it would justify paying a fee for it.

I`d hazard a guess, and maybe this is just a very gross generalization on my part, that many of the people willing to cough up for XBL probably hadn`t had much exposure to online gaming prior to the emersion of the Xbox brand, otherwise they wouldn`t be so accepting of it.

[Friendly]

Right, cross game chat. It's the most important thing in the world!
By the way, PS Vita has it, too. Oh wait, did I say most important thing in the world? Of course I meant to say, who cares about cross game chat!

[Formless God]

How do you know that in advance? Or did you forget to include an "if"?

Yes, that's an if. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true, though, considering their unhealthy obsession with grafix and story-driven games (as you could already tell from last gen and their own presentation.)

[neorichieb1971]

Its getting harder for the companies to excite us anymore isn't it?

Whoever makes those stupid smart phones should invent a console. People seem to go doo-lally for a stupid handset that makes calls and plays games where you have to line up 3 in a row to win the game. It would sell like hot cakes, really!!!

[Friendly]

How do you know that in advance? Or did you forget to include an "if"?

Yes, that's an if. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true, though, considering their unhealthy obsession with grafix and story-driven games (as you could already tell from last gen and their own presentation.)

This really doesn't belong here, but it seems you are not up-to date.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/1892 ... to_PS4.php
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/03/ ... 3-ps-vita/

[O. Van Bruce]

drama.system11.org

This is why we can't have good things on this forum.

Also, being a cool guy and all that shit

[Friendly]

drama.system11.org

This is why we can't have good things on this forum.

Also, being a cool guy and all that shit

There is no drama here. What is it with you and this need to comment on everything, even if you have nothing insightful or clever to contribute?

[O. Van Bruce]

drama.system11.org

This is why we can't have good things on this forum.

Also, being a cool guy and all that shit

There is no drama here. What is it with you and this need to comment on everything, even if you have nothing insightful or clever to contribute?

I can't understand the belligerancy this threads allways start. Besides, I barely post here... I'll stop since you say so... end of the road.

[Skykid]

@JI

Interesting perceptions. Can't say I agree that many of those have been detrimental to console gaming. Let's examine in detail and make this a real discussion.

The reliance on gimmicks as the main selling point over hardware advancements and meaningful gameplay innovation.

Gimmicks as opposed to what? Competitive companies doing 100% of zero to offer any kind of innovation to videogaming whatsoever? No-one needs reminding Sony can't even muster a new controller after forever in the business.
You're looking in hindsight at what the Wii became: a family oriented console - exactly what Nintendo have striven to achieve since the Famicom. You're not paying it any dues for the innovation of the interface from the outset, when it had to take a big risk in an increasingly boring market.

I have noted you're a fan of JRPG's and the ilk, one of the most hackneyed genres in existence today. As a devoted retro gamer I can't say I have much of a problem with that, but it surprises me that you can suggest there was "no meaningful gameplay innovation" when an entire generation of games was designed around the sensor and nunchuk interface far more successfully than anyone could have hoped. Mums playing tennis, hardcore gamers playing Sin & Punishment 2, and everyone enjoying the Galaxy series, surely one of the highest points of the last decade.

For want of a better explanation, the sensor may not have revolutionised gaming as we know it, but it dared to be different, and it worked. Credit is due for that. Now the 3DS, there's a gimmick, but based on a prior innovation (dual/touchscreen).

Honestly, Nintendo are the only innovators left in the industry. Everyone else just loses cash hand over fist with the same old methods and tries to stick it out by regurgitating the same old software - yet you cite Nintendo as not doing enough for console gaming. Sounds backwards to me.

Outdated online infrastructure coupled with a derelict online store that ties your purchases to your console rather than your account.

I never factored online anything into upholding the values of a console experience. Prior to this current gen, the only online I did was on a PC. My Mega Drive doesn't go online, neither did my PSX, and the performance with my PS2 was so poor I gave up trying. Yes, online has become a part of modern gaming, no it's not an innovation, and outside of XBL I've never seen it done well on a console apart from the DS line, which has impressive connectivity and doesn't seem to suffer the overload errors of PSN. That said I also found Mario Mart Wii to be robust online, outdated system or not.

Abysmal third-party relations leading to prolonged software droughts

Massively in agreement with this. I'm not sure why there was so little of interest from 3rd parties - perhaps the interface was too challenging. Games like Muramasa and S&P2 were liberating, but only because there was so little else to get involved with. It didn't have an RE4 (rhetorically speaking) and Tatsunoko really wasn't enough on the FG front. I just think the sensor coupled with the enormous new casual demographic inadvertently cut hardcore gamers out of the picture. I'm not sure that's anyone's fault, just how the chips fall in business, but at least Nintendo came through with some 1st party software to be remembered.

The never-ceasing whoring of several decades old franchises.

Sorry, but I'm getting sick to death of hearing this line of argument. Yes, the franchises are old and have been round the block. Yes I would like something new. Is it any different from another fucking Final Fantasy or generic JRPG 300,012, or war FPS part 10, or Fighting Game mash up X12? No.

The fact is the franchise might be fucking old, but the quality of some of those games pretty much carpet bombs everything else in the known vicinity. For that, franchise whoring can have a pass.