FEZ is Boring, Buggy, Badly Designed Bullshit

[BareKnuckleRoo]

I just think it's sad that he's wasted so much of his time playing a game that he keeps saying he doesn't like. I mean, seriously, how dim do you have to be to waste all that time on a game you dislike so much? It's beyond retarded.

Typical comments from people who either haven't played the game or haven't played much of it.

lolwut

You don't like it when people criticize a game when they 'haven't played much of it', despite its many bug-riddled issues being well known and publicized, but then you don't like it when someone plays a game to see if maybe they were wrong about it and, surprise surprise, they weren't, so they're retarded ("how dim do you have to be") for playing a game they didn't like in order to review it properly?

Are you suggesting that any video game reviewer who plays a game they don't like and tries to invest a good amount of time in it to review it properly is "dim"?

"It's beyond retarded." ~bcass

[Udderdude]

bcass's one man Fez defense force show should be a broadway musical.

In most games where there's extra content you can get around to after you beat the game, it's like 20% of the game at the most. 50%? That's some bullshit right there.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

In most games where there's extra content you can get around to after you beat the game, it's like 20% of the game at the most. 50%? That's some bullshit right there.

The extra content also basically consists of getting a minor visual upgrade so you can look in 3D and thus solve new puzzles by reading writing that you couldn't previously see, and a flying cheat function that's mentioned nowhere in game, things they could have given you without requiring the game to start over from scratch. The main reason (I suspect) that you have to start a new game to get it is because they expect you to know how to decipher the coded language so when you start over you're given a chance to actually read/understand everything as you play through instead of backtracking.

[bcass]

You don't like it when people criticize a game when they 'haven't played much of it', despite its many bug-riddled issues being well known and publicized, but then you don't like it when someone plays a game to see if maybe they were wrong about it and, surprise surprise, they weren't, so they're retarded ("how dim do you have to be") for playing a game they didn't like in order to review it properly?

If you can't see how futile it is to keep playing through a game you don't enjoy then you're not really worth engaging with. But then you already proved that with your many ignorant and hyperbolic posts in this thread.

Are you suggesting that any video game reviewer who plays a game they don't like and tries to invest a good amount of time in it to review it properly is "dim"?

Given how atrocious 99% of games "journalism" is I think "dim" would be regarded as something a compliment for most of them.

[bcass]

In most games where there's extra content you can get around to after you beat the game, it's like 20% of the game at the most. 50%? That's some bullshit right there.

Wrong again. Seeing the first ending isn't "beating the game". The 2nd half of the game probably constitutes considerably more than 50% of the game actually, especially in overall gameplay time.

[bcass]

In most games where there's extra content you can get around to after you beat the game, it's like 20% of the game at the most. 50%? That's some bullshit right there.

The extra content also basically consists of getting a minor visual upgrade so you can look in 3D and thus solve new puzzles by reading writing that you couldn't previously see, and a flying cheat function that's mentioned nowhere in game, things they could have given you without requiring the game to start over from scratch. The main reason (I suspect) that you have to start a new game to get it is because they expect you to know how to decipher the coded language so when you start over you're given a chance to actually read/understand everything as you play through instead of backtracking.

Ah, the ignorance continues, this time to quite astonishing levels. You don't need to play in 3D to solve any of the puzzles. The extra content is not superfluous bonuses, it's more stages and more puzzles. You don't start the game from scratch when you start New Game+. You don't need to decrypt the language to solve any of the main puzzles, it's just a fun bonus.

[Friendly]

lolwut

Maybe the answer to this and other questions is: b/c ass

[bcass]

Maybe the answer to this and other questions is: b/c ass

Seems to me like there is only one person in this thread who looks like an idiot...
You know, that one rude guy who is resorting to personal attacks

Ah, I love it when that happens.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Ah, I love it when that happens.

Ah, the ignorance continues

Ah, I love unwarranted pretentiousness.

You don't need to play in 3D to solve any of the puzzles.

There's a few tetrad cipher codes you need to see in order to solve puzzles that can only be seen via 3D viewing. See below.

You don't need to decrypt the language to solve any of the main puzzles

What exactly constitutes 'main'? You consider New Game+ to be part of the main game itself, so I'm not sure what you consider to be 'bonus' then. But I am not talking simply about the alphabet language, but also the tetrad/tetromino as well as the numerology system. The alphabet system is used in at least one puzzle, regardless of whether or not you consider it to be a 'main' puzzle, it's still a puzzle there to be solved, even if it's a late game puzzle.

Edit: Isn't figuring out each of the encoded scripts a 'main' puzzle anyways? Decrypting the alphabet itself so you can actually read all of the text is something I'd consider a main puzzle itself worth solving as that sort of thing is usually seen as rewarding and makes the game much more interesting when you can actually read all that soooperseekret coded text, and there is a good bit of it throughout the game.

http://ca.ign.com/wikis/fez/Code_Solutions

Number Puzzle Examples

In the Bell Room, the massive bell has a number symbol on each side...

The Furnace Room is a room in the very first village with a large incinerator, stove or furnace in it. On the wall are posters featuring the Tetris blocks that form a button code. Each of these is numbered with the number symbols as well.

...with the first person mode to view it.

(Some editing to remove unnecessary spoilers.)

[Friendly]

Ah, I love it when that happens.

You mean you love it that when you sling around fezces, some tends to stick to you?

[shmuppyLove]

Decided to try out the demo on 360, seems pretty fun.

I could see where it might get a bit tedious after a while. If there are no enemies and no penalty for death, once you understand the basic rotating mechanic I guess there isn't much else?

The overall tone seems a mixed bag as well. The snide remarks from your sparkly cube friend seem a bit out of place, I guess this is the strange humour people are referring to?

Controls seemed good, no issues with my 360 controller, and didn't run into any technical issues in the demo. Not sure if I'd be willing to pay $12 for it on 360, but if it hit a Humble Bundle for Windows at some point I'd probably grab it.

[bcass]

Ah, I love unwarranted pretentiousness.

The many times I've highlighted your ignorance in this thread has nothing to do with pretentiousness. Neither is highlighting Friendly's hypocrisy. Your insistence on posting consistently inaccurate information is starting to border on the ridiculous. This has nothing to do with what people think about the game, which I'm not bothered about as people are entitled to their opinions. It's about people saying things that are just totally factually wrong.

There's a few tetrad cipher codes you need to see in order to solve puzzles that can only be seen via 3D viewing. See below.

Oh, you mean "first person mode" not 3D mode. 3D mode is something entirely different - a bonus where you physically have to wear a pair of red/blue 3D glasses to see the game in 3D. You don't need that to solve any puzzles.

What exactly constitutes 'main'? You consider New Game+ to be part of the main game itself, so I'm not sure what you consider to be 'bonus' then.

I'd consider the main puzzles to be the ones you solve in order to see both endings. You don't need the language translation for any of those IIRC. I think you might need to translate the numbers, yes, but not the actual language. You learn how to translate the numbers in a different (much more obvious) location than where you learn the language (a much less obvious location).

[bcass]

Ah, I love it when that happens.

You mean you love it that when you sling around fezces, some tends to stick to you?

No, I love it when people like you are shown up as being massive hypocrites.

[Hagane]

Puzzle platforming? The platforming isn't meant to be a puzzle. You haven't even seen half the game yet. All the cubes you've found so far are the easiest ones to acquire. New Game+ is where the game starts proper. Anyway, it's pretty lolsome that you're apparently "forcing" yourself to complete a game you hate so much. Why would you do that I wonder? Because you're completely overreacting that's why and just being contrary for the sake of it, probably because Fish hurt your pride or something equally childish. We all knew that anyway, but now you're just confirming it.

The platforming is a puzzle itself. Gimmicky, unchallenging, but it doesn't change the fact that the main game mechanic is the tool for finding new "perspectives" to advance (through platforming) in the game. So yeah, puzzle platforming. New game + started around 6 hours (probably inflated time due to the constant crashes, but still) in in my game. I shouldn't have to wait several hours to properly start the game.

I kept playing because Erppo told me the puzzles get harder later, and to give it a fair review. If giving it a fair informed review is childish overreaction and giving it an "uninformed" review is, too, I dunno what to do really.

[Udderdude]

if it hit a Humble Bundle for Windows at some point I'd probably grab it.

The moment Fez gets in the Humble Bundle, the universe will explode from the dissonance ..

[Moniker]

Guys, guys. When we fight about games, Phil Fish wins.

[Hagane]

Scratch what I said, won't be playing this anymore. Save glitched and instead of taking me to new game +, I have to start the game from the beginning. What a piece of shit.

[bcass]

Puzzle platforming? The platforming isn't meant to be a puzzle. You haven't even seen half the game yet. All the cubes you've found so far are the easiest ones to acquire. New Game+ is where the game starts proper. Anyway, it's pretty lolsome that you're apparently "forcing" yourself to complete a game you hate so much. Why would you do that I wonder? Because you're completely overreacting that's why and just being contrary for the sake of it, probably because Fish hurt your pride or something equally childish. We all knew that anyway, but now you're just confirming it.

The platforming is a puzzle itself. Gimmicky, unchallenging, but it doesn't change the fact that the main game mechanic is the tool for finding new "perspectives" to advance (through platforming) in the game. So yeah, puzzle platforming. New game + started around 6 hours (probably inflated time due to the constant crashes, but still) in in my game. I shouldn't have to wait several hours to properly start the game.

I kept playing because Erppo told me the puzzles get harder later, and to give it a fair review. If giving it a fair informed review is childish overreaction and giving it an "uninformed" review is, too, I dunno what to do really.

Really looking forward to reading the unbiased review lol.

[Friendly]

Ah, I love it when that happens.

You mean you love it that when you sling around fezces, some tends to stick to you?

No, I love it when people like you are shown up as being massive hypocrites.

Let's recap. You keep insulting everyone here, and if one of the recipients examines your motivation for doing so instead of just turning the other cheek, then according to your logic that person is a hypocrite.

[bcass]

Let's recap.

Yes, lets:

Maybe the answer to this and other questions is: b/c ass

Seems to me like there is only one person in this thread who looks like an idiot...
You know, that one rude guy who is resorting to personal attacks

Looks like the very definition of hypocritical to me.

[Moniker]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest this thread get locked. Rational conversation ended four or five pages ago.

[trap15]

^ This.

[Friendly]

Looks like the very definition of hypocritical to me.

Interesting. Could it possibly be that much of the confrontation in this thread stems from you using other definitions of words than the generally accepted ones?

(Note: Me adressing your ad hominem attacks and offering an explanation (which you in turn seem to perceive as ad hominem) does not qualify as hypocrisy.)

[bcass]

Looks like the very definition of hypocritical to me.

Interesting. Could it possibly be that much of the confrontation in this thread stems from you using other definitions of words than the generally accepted ones?

(Note: Me adressing your ad hominem attacks and offering an explanation (which you in turn seem to perceive as ad hominem) does not qualify as hypocrisy.)

Let's go through it just one more time shall we...

In the following post you accuse me of making personal attacks:

Seems to me like there is only one person in this thread who looks like an idiot...
You know, that one rude guy who is resorting to personal attacks

Yet in this later post you make a fairly purile attack on me:

Maybe the answer to this and other questions is: b/c ass

This is the very definition of hyprocritical. That is to say, you're a hypocrite. Glad to be of service.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Scratch what I said, won't be playing this anymore. Save glitched and instead of taking me to new game +, I have to start the game from the beginning. What a piece of shit.

Do they at least offer refunds? Or do they not consider "buggy piece of shit" a valid reason for a refund?

[Hagane]

I don't know. Fortunately I didn't have to pay for it.

[Friendly]

Yet in this later post you make a fairly purile attack on me:

Maybe the answer to this and other questions is: b/c ass

This is the very definition of hyprocritical. That is to say, you're a hypocrite. Glad to be of service.

Again, you don't seem to understand the meaning of hyprocrisy.

Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.
Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches.

Situation: Group having a discussion. One person acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way by behaving arrogantly towards all who disagree, resorting to insults while failing to properly explain the reasoning behind their stance.
Assessment: Maybe that person is an ass.

See, nothing puerile about it. Simple logic.

Glad to be of service.

NB: I'm not saying you *are* an ass, I'm just offering one possible explanation for your behavior. Another would be that you are simply not very good with words and/or don't know how to behave in social situations.

[bcass]

Oh Jesus, please tell me you're not really that dumb?

[radirgyman]

I downloaded this game a few week ago on Xbox.
I wish I hadn't, it is such a waste of money.

[Ed Oscuro]

Here's a bone for ya, bcass: At this point I doubt whether Fish is a worse person than you.

Really though, Fish and Fez don't need this kind of "defense." You're not changing anybody's mind and this has just devolved into one gigantic mudslinging lolfest. Surprised you haven't been banned yet.