Cave Matsuri 2013 (5/5)

[Skykid]

Looking at the pics and vids linked in this thread, if Cave makes it another 5 years, I'll be very surprised. 2 years tops before they finally have to close down I think. This is sad to look at.

They won't go out before releasing a Cave Shooting Collection regurgitating everything they've already released. They'll need a severance bonus fund after all.

[Never_Scurred]

Looking at the pics and vids linked in this thread, if Cave makes it another 5 years, I'll be very surprised. 2 years tops before they finally have to close down I think. This is sad to look at.

An Ibara port could be a gamechanger.

[nZero]

Looking at the pics and vids linked in this thread, if Cave makes it another 5 years, I'll be very surprised. 2 years tops before they finally have to close down I think. This is sad to look at.

An Ibara port could be a gamechanger.

Amen, Ibara+Kuro 360 instant platinum seller.

[sven666]

I have to ask, is it some kind of sarcastic forum meme I haven't picked up on or do you actually believe ibara would sell?

[AntiFritz]

Probably some dumb joke. I was under the impression ibara was only a cut above ps/mmp tier in popularity. ie not at all

[Phellan Wolf]

I have to ask, is it some kind of sarcastic forum meme I haven't picked up on or do you actually believe ibara would sell?

Why not??? Since the PS2 version being expensier every passing day, and a shity port I am quite sure it would sell, much more than PS&MMP ports. If I remember well, it ranked 3rd in a Cave poll done few years back. And if the port would have Kuro and extra arrange of somekind it will probably do well.
If only it happened.

[scrilla4rella]

So PS3 Ketsui wa there too?

Someone on twitter said there was about 2 frames of lag but I'm not sure how they could have measured that.

You mean me? Well it was tested with SFIV on 360 and PS3, and the ps3 has an input lag of a couple more frames than the 360.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyrwGA5GND0

So any extra modes on ps3 or is it a straight port of Ketsui X?

Haha, yes indeed. Good to see you on the board
The demo was short and they didn't let you fiddle around on the menu so we'll have to wait and see.

[Cuilan]

I have to ask, is it some kind of sarcastic forum meme I haven't picked up on or do you actually believe ibara would sell?

It would probably sell 5,000 copies.

At this point, I think it would be best if Cave spent whatever money they have left developing a Deathsmiles 3, or a Mushihime-sama 3, or an Espgaluda 3.

[Vyxx]

I have to ask, is it some kind of sarcastic forum meme I haven't picked up on or do you actually believe ibara would sell?

It would probably sell 5,000 copies.

At this point, I think it would be best if Cave spent whatever money they have left developing a Deathsmiles 3, or a Mushihime-sama 3, or an Espgaluda 3.

EspGaluda III c'mon Cave.

[ptoing]

I think Deathsmiles 3 is a lot more likely. My guess is that as far as arcade goes they will likely go with Nesica, seeing as they already backported AKS to it. And Nesica being dominantly horizontal, DS3 would make sense. I'd rather have Mushi 3 or something alltogether new (and vert).

[IseeThings]

if they go that route they'll probably just present vertical games like they do the ports.. or go full vertizontal or whatever your term is for it here

I think it more likely they'll just abandon shooters altogether and be quietly forgotten however.

[ptoing]

They uttered statements contrary to that. There have been recent interviews where they said they wish to continue to make shooting games. I reckon all we can do is wait and see.

[sven666]

honestly, as a shmup company making vertical shooting PCBs i think Cave are doing a pretty decent profit.

fighting to get into the console market however theyre way out of their league, not to mention everything else around.

[ptoing]

Didn't they say no more PCBs? Or was that just not more SH3?

[O. Van Bruce]

Didn't they say no more PCBs? Or was that just not more SH3?

I read on one of the last interviews about SDOJ they mentioned something about a new hardware so maybe they are developing a new board or shifting to Nessica.

[pestro87]

Didn't they say no more PCBs? Or was that just not more SH3?

I read on one of the last interviews about SDOJ they mentioned something about a new hardware so maybe they are developing a new cab or shifting to Nessica.

Or the ipad

[rtw]

All new Japanese development seems to be shifting to Nesica which means we can't play it in our cabs.

Unless CAVE are making an SH4 board I honestly do not understand why they cannot manufacture the CV1000 anymore. All parts are readily available.

[O. Van Bruce]

Is there a way,"legal" or not if you know what I mean, to get a Nessica Cab and play some games for it without being in Japan and/or being connected to the Nessica network?

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

If you could actually get one and get it into the hands of a PC software cracker then of course it would be possible to hack around/out the online stuff. Just like every other piece of software in the world going up on Piratebay and so on. But good luck in your quest of actually pulling it off.

[IseeThings]

yeah, you'd need a live license, and they probably have anti-tamper stuff and would terminate said license if they detected anything amiss.

I doubt they have parts of the game running on the server, but it wouldn't surprise me if encryption codes were exchanged at bootup etc. to prevent somebody just taking a HDD and dumping it.

It's more or less a direct reaction to people hacking and pirating the other PC based platforms and the 2nd hand market, so I imagine they've gone some way to secure it at least.

[emphatic]

But if they go with Neisca, they can't sell game kits to the collectors. Surely, this is CAVE we're talking about.

[IseeThings]

I think Cave would just expect you to pay $5000 for an unusable unit just because it says CAVE on it

(if you don't unbox it then it won't matter anyway right? :p)

[kathy]

Posters on display which were not available for you to purchase or win:


One of two flyers available for the taking:


More posters that are unavailable:



awesome pics Rancor - well done

i would kill to have some of the posters that were on display!!

[gameoverDude]

I'm kind of hoping they give a proprietary PC hardware system a second shot- as long as it's something comparable to 360/PS3 in capabilities. Of course, there'd need to be some sort of encryption scheme developed to keep the Haxman from getting the game onto regular PCs too soon.

A small SSD would be enough to hold the game and ensure quick loading times, with a regular HDD used for saving high scores and bookkeeping data (so it wouldn't generally be necessary to write to the SSD). Upgrades could be done by a USB port for jump drives.

[Pretas]

I know that videogames companies (expecially japanese ones) tend to release some interesting games only for iOS and ignore Android (it's like they tell us that Apple's overpriced for nothing products sell more than affortable and much better Android smartphones) but since they bothered to release DoDonPachi Maximum for Windows smartphones as well why not to Android? What were they thinking?

DDP Maximum was commissioned by Microsoft as a WP7 exclusive. They entirely footed the development bill, and Cave lost no money on it. You can be sure that if that wasn't the case, it would have been on iOS.

When Cave dies, some other company is inevitably going to absorb their IP and most of their staff, probably 5pb, Taito or IGS. Death may not be the end for their shmup development.

[AntiFritz]

Dodonpachi maximum is on ios now though.

[IseeThings]

All new Japanese development seems to be shifting to Nesica which means we can't play it in our cabs.

Unless CAVE are making an SH4 board I honestly do not understand why they cannot manufacture the CV1000 anymore. All parts are readily available.

They've already hit the limit of what the CV1000 blitter can do I think, there aren't really any magic tricks to make it do more. Likewise the fact that they were compressing data on the later games (and hitting CPU limits while decompressing it, during gameplay) and the shoddy sound quality suggests maybe there are other limits / problems with the hardware. Beyond that, as discussed before, it's low resolution and designed to drive 4:3 screens, maybe Japan is different but I can't remember the last time I saw a (non-classic) game with a 4:3 screen.

I think half the fun is seeing how far you can push things and the later D type boards could well be as far as the specific hardware configuration could be pushed. Remember if you double the resolution you're drawing 4x as many pixels, so even if they could hack it to spit out 854x480 (higher resolution widescreen, still low by modern standards) they'd suddenly find themselves having in excess of 4x less real blitter capacity. I doubt you could simply replace the blitter chip with something significantly faster either. Factor in the increase in capacity required to store the graphics, the increase in CPU time to decompress the graphics etc. and it quickly becomes obvious that unless they want to look to look like they're stuck in the 90s the board isn't going to cut it.

The fact that MAME could emulate the board at anything approaching a decent framerate tells you all you need to know about it really

[brentsg]

Yeah I love CV1000 as much as anyone but the sound quality on SDOJ was absolute garbage.

[O. Van Bruce]

One more thing to be excited for. If graphx are 50% of how you sell a game today, I wonder how far the upgrade will be if they make a new hardware. will be interesting to see.

[Udderdude]

They have plenty of experience making high res stuff for consoles and phones now, it's not like this is the first time they'll be doing that.

If you mean another attempt at 3D like DeathSmiles 2, well, I don't know .. that was such a huge debacle.