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CStarFlare wrote:Interesting. What does the scoreboard display when your game ends after the midboss?
The only scoreboard the game has is the replay menu (which can be set to auto save), and that shows what stage you made it to, but nothing about what kind of clear you got. You'd have to watch the replay to figure that out.
Which is why it might be best to leave that information to the comment field. Especially since the score itself can be a hint to which end they got, as the Central 5 boss gives huge time bonuses (I ended with 511 million for getting about halfway through the boss, but only 382 million for a midboss clear).
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I'm posting all my scores on the site, even my really crappy ones, just because this site is awesome and it deserves more usage. Great job!

I do wish though that scores were orginizard a little differently as a way to encourage people to try lower scoring ships. The user profile only shows the highest score you have gotten in a game irrespective of character, and the default leaderboard for a game seems to be the general one with all the character mixed in.

In many games scores with different characters aren't really comparable, and putting all the ships together in the same category encourages people to only play the highest scoring ships. The way things are tracked actually has a lot of effect on how people make their choices.

I think Arcadia only keeps character specific leaderboards and no general ones which makes quite a lot of sense to me.
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this is a really great site so far!

but it's kinda ugly :S
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Meseki wrote:
CStarFlare wrote:Interesting. What does the scoreboard display when your game ends after the midboss?
The only scoreboard the game has is the replay menu (which can be set to auto save), and that shows what stage you made it to, but nothing about what kind of clear you got. You'd have to watch the replay to figure that out.
Which is why it might be best to leave that information to the comment field. Especially since the score itself can be a hint to which end they got, as the Central 5 boss gives huge time bonuses (I ended with 511 million for getting about halfway through the boss, but only 382 million for a midboss clear).
I think the comment field might be the simplest way to go in this case... though, if anyone could let me know if the Central 0 boss is similarly locked by requirements other than playing the Re: modes, I'd appreciate that because I think I'd probably split that out as its own clear status as a "secret" boss.
I do wish though that scores were orginizard a little differently as a way to encourage people to try lower scoring ships. The user profile only shows the highest score you have gotten in a game irrespective of character, and the default leaderboard for a game seems to be the general one with all the character mixed in.

In many games scores with different characters aren't really comparable, and putting all the ships together in the same category encourages people to only play the highest scoring ships. The way things are tracked actually has a lot of effect on how people make their choices.

I think Arcadia only keeps character specific leaderboards and no general ones which makes quite a lot of sense to me.
It's a difficult choice to make - I've always preferred the general scoreboard myself, but I very much see the value in splitting things by ship in certain cases. I've made general scoreboards the default for several reasons:

- In many cases, our scoreboards have few enough people posting on them anyway. Less than thirty five boards have more than ten entries - there are more with one or two. If we start splitting them by ship, a lot of them start to look pretty barren.
- People don't select their ship of choice at random; I suspect most people will gravitate towards the highest scoring ships where there is a clear winner regardless of the table format. Unless you're really into a game (and would jump around anyway) or drawn to a certain ship for a specific reason, getting the biggest number is the prime motivator.
- Some games just ruin it for everyone. Raiden Fighters Jet has 25 ships; let's not even talk about R-Type Final.

There are certainly games where characters simply aren't comparable - if you're playing Deathsmiles II, you're not going to pick Supe if you're up against Lei players. But large differences in potential aren't ubiquitous, and in many cases our userbase isn't pushing scores to their full potential in the first place. For an automated system like Restart Syndrome it's more difficult to make per-case decisions to how scores should be organized, but I've tried to at least give you the option to have individual ship scoreboards via the filters at the top of the board:

Mushihimesama Futari Black Label Original - Reco
Mushihimesama Futari Black Label Original - Palm

It will pull in your highest score for whatever character you have selected. You won't get extra points on the site ranking for having both a Palm and a Reco, but you can certainly view the boards and compete that way if you're so inclined.

Of course, I'm always open to suggestions on how it can work better - just explaining how I arrived at the format I did. I'm not sure if
this is a really great site so far!

but it's kinda ugly :S
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if you need assistance with that kind of thing i could try writing a CSS?
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Right now, my OutZone score is listed as a clear, even though I game overed on the last boss. so "100%" should not be a clear.

Also, please add Touhou 3 and 9 : )
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How about "Add new score" link to each scoreboard?
I mean somewhere around here
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if you need assistance with that kind of thing i could try writing a CSS?
It's nice of you to offer, but my main stumbling block is that I can't really decide how I want it to look. To be fair, I haven't given it a lot of hard thought - I've been focused on adding titles to the database and features here and there.

(I just added game #300 tonight, and I still have a long list of titles that need to be added. And I always find more while I'm researching)

However, if you (or anyone) is willing to make some simple star graphics for me please let me know. I want to tweak the clear badges a bit but every time I think I've figured Photoshop out they don't turn out right and I'm tired of failing at something so basic.
Right now, my OutZone score is listed as a clear, even though I game overed on the last boss. so "100%" should not be a clear.

Also, please add Touhou 3 and 9 : )
Fixed OutZone. 100% not a clear? Thanks Toaplan.

I also fixed the entries for the guys who got above 400% and added selections up to 600%. Silly me, thinking four loops was enough.

I also added Touhou 3 and 9, and the Twinkle Star games for good measure. Don't remember why I didn't add them before, but I assume it had to do with their nontraditional approach... but if the people want to score, let them score.

I also added the NESiCA boards to Crimson Clover. :)
How about "Add new score" link to each scoreboard?
Tucked one right above the filter line. Might move it later, but it will be there somewhere.
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Awesome! It's always nice to see new games being added.

Personally, I don't mind the plain look, so no rush there.
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If you need help with simple graphics, send me a PM. I'd be happy to help.
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I always found it silly how the Western scoreboards had categories for the Touhou games the Japanese scoreboards refuse to track (1-5, 9). However, those very games seem to be the most popular ones within the Western community currently, so hence adding them has some sense.
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I think ignoring them is silly. I could understand 1, 3, and 9 (does anyone really want 1 on RS? It seems like that might be stretching it a bit), but why do 2/4/5 get ignored? I find 4 and 5 great fun (haven't played 2), and they certainly have more potential for score play than, say, every shmup released prior to 1990.

My best assumption is that there is a safe presumption that anyone playing the PC-98 games is emulating them, and there's been plenty said about Japan's feelings towards emulators. (on that note: how much would a legit copy of those games cost? I've never seen one, but I haven't really been on the hunt. I did run across what appeared to be a PCB demo that was astronomical though)

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It's a difficult choice to make - I've always preferred the general scoreboard myself, but I very much see the value in splitting things by ship in certain cases. I've made general scoreboards the default for several reasons:

- In many cases, our scoreboards have few enough people posting on them anyway. Less than thirty five boards have more than ten entries - there are more with one or two. If we start splitting them by ship, a lot of them start to look pretty barren.
- People don't select their ship of choice at random; I suspect most people will gravitate towards the highest scoring ships where there is a clear winner regardless of the table format. Unless you're really into a game (and would jump around anyway) or drawn to a certain ship for a specific reason, getting the biggest number is the prime motivator.
- Some games just ruin it for everyone. Raiden Fighters Jet has 25 ships; let's not even talk about R-Type Final.

There are certainly games where characters simply aren't comparable - if you're playing Deathsmiles II, you're not going to pick Supe if you're up against Lei players. But large differences in potential aren't ubiquitous, and in many cases our userbase isn't pushing scores to their full potential in the first place. For an automated system like Restart Syndrome it's more difficult to make per-case decisions to how scores should be organized, but I've tried to at least give you the option to have individual ship scoreboards via the filters at the top of the board:

Of course, I'm always open to suggestions on how it can work better - just explaining how I arrived at the format I did.
I've been thinking about this quite a bit, and I've come to the conclusion that having general scoreboard really is the way to go. There's one thing though that could be done to encourage people to use a wider variety of ship, and would actually just improve the site in general.

Quite simply, instead of the long and detailed list containing every single score, the first thing one should see upon selecting a game is a brief and concise list of the best score for every category. (which is what people really care about really)

So for example, upon clicking on the Mushi Futari 1.5 Original leaderboard one would see something like this:

Normal Reco: GUS - 417,636,898
Normal Palm: JHA - 300,449,985
Abnormal Reco: AMW - 37,164,530
Abnormal Palm: Ken - 323,580,806

Then you could click on the name of the category to see all the other scores.

"37,164,530 with Ab Reco? I could beat that! I could be first place!" is a though that might cross a newer player's mind;
Before, all he would have seen was Gus' enormous 400 million score, and he'd have been like "Whatever, I'm never gonna score like that." and give up.

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I think that is a good compromise - giving the individual ship boards more exposure would be a nice step.

I think all the things I have on my "want to do" list are going to force my hand for a redesign. It will happen; new game additions will probably get put on the back burner for a while.

Also, I've updated Saidaioujou and Crimson Clover to cover their newly released ports. Game on, guys.
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It's Crimzon Clover. But I am just being pedantic here.

Also, on the user page I get a whole bunch of mysql errors on the left side above the little box in the bottom left. Using FF latest version in Win7.
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It's Crimzon Clover. But I am just being pedantic here.
Correct is correct. Fixed. :)

Could you take a screenshot or copy/paste the mysql error? Was the error on your own user page or someone else's (or both)? Were you logged in or out? I can't seem to replicate it, which is weird because I think a mysql error would be occurring on the server side (so should be universal regardless of OS/browser)?
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Here is a link to screenshot.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/155 ... tmysql.png

It only happens on my own profile, not if I click other peoples profiles. So yeah, only if I am logged in.
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ptoing wrote:Here is a link to screenshot.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/155 ... tmysql.png

It only happens on my own profile, not if I click other peoples profiles. So yeah, only if I am logged in.
Same thing happening to me
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CStarFlare wrote:Thanks to everyone who's contributed to the site so far, and everyone who's interested in doing so in the future!
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Thanks CHI! Glad to have you aboard!

For those of you who were experiencing issues with the BB Code section, I believe I've fixed the issue. Sorry it took so long, please let me know if you continue to see errors.
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Suggestion: I think you should rename all of the touhou-games to begin with the word Touhou.. like this

Touhou 7 Perfect Cherry Blossom
Touhou 12 Unidentified Flying object


etc..

Just so it's more clear to beginners, and also it's pain in the ass to scroll the list and manually find them, when you could just go to letter 'T' and find them all.
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omg all these ddc sneaks trying to sneak around my thread go submit plz : (

i think i recommended this earlier in the thread. i'd go further and suggest that full correct romaji should be used, e.g. "Touhou Koumakyou ~ the Embodiment of Scarlet Devil". most people know the subtitles the best anyway.

funny thing is you've technically got it set up correctly now: japanese title, english subtitle, etc. problem is they should be under t and... yeah. you can always leave out the impending duplicate subtitle if you want. actually, something neat would be to align the kanji so they're positioned over the romaji. with double spoiler and the like, you don't have to worry about this.

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Seppo Hovi wrote:I always found it silly how the Western scoreboards had categories for the Touhou games the Japanese scoreboards refuse to track (1-5, 9). However, those very games seem to be the most popular ones within the Western community currently, so hence adding them has some sense.
they refuse to track 2, 4, and 5 because there's no replay support for them (though i wonder if replays would work on pc-98), which is reasonable.

however, why they refuse to track 9, when they have no problem with 9.5 and 12.5, is completely beyond me. good news is you can still submit replays for 9 (and even the fighting games i think) to replay.royalflare etc.
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I remember that coming up before.

I think that the Japanese titles is probably technically the best way to go; I use the Japanese titles for literally everything else even if there's a US/EU release with a different name. I've just been a little stubborn because I know the subtitles and don't know the Japanese titles at all. :x

Will update tonight.
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Bumping to let people know that I've added split tables for different characters/ships to display by default to the bottom of every board page. I know people had asked for ship tables earlier, but chum finally got my ass in gear.

We also talked about just putting all of a game's tables on one page - I'd like to hear what others think about it. We were thinking something along the lines of royalflare. It would be convenient to have everything on one page, but it could get verrry long. I would probably make the ship split tables a collapsed section to save space.

Hope everyone likes the new format!
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Today I added the 500th title to Restart Syndrome, so I thought it's time do something special. It seems that roughly 100 games do not have any scores entered at all - which is a good deal better than I expected, actually - and I want to fix that. And games are so cheap on Steam right now!

So here's the deal: I've pulled together a list of all the games with no activity as of right now. Every score submitted for these games between now and 11:59 PM CST on June 28th will be be an entry into a drawing to win a gift of one of these Steam games:

Crimzon Clover: World Ignition
eXceed Collection (three games)
Astebreed
Gundemonium Collection (three games)
Danmaku Unlimited 2

Here's the list of games you guys don't love. Yet.

I'll draw and contact people one at a time in the order they were drawn: first person gets to chose his or her game, then the second will get to chose from the remaining titles, etc.
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Why is Raiden IV Overkill even a separately listed game anyway?

Arcade mode scores are going to be the same regardless of if played on 360 or PS3. Overkill's Additional Mode is a port of the 360 Mode. The only thing that is actually new is the Overkill Mode. Adding Ultimate difficulty score tables for each mode would be neat too, but I currently can't do very well in that Difficulty.


I do have a Xevious Score I can submit though from the XBLA version, and I could try to get something on Vulgus since I have it on PS3 through the CapCom Arcade Cabinet compilation.
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I guess I viewed Overkill as a Black Label kind of thing. Sounds like it's more like DOJ BL than the rest, since it includes a lot of recycled content.

If the modes are duplicates I can drop those tables (good thing no one used them :V) and add PS3 as an option on the vanilla boards. I could add Ultimate if people want it; Raiden IV just has too many difficulty options so I stuck with what I thought was most likely to be of interest.
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I'm pretty sure TGL/Arcade mode in the Guardian Legend is counterstoppable as in the standard game which actually causes the game to hard crash, and I think this makes it unsuitable for putting on a scoreboard. You could just use the close range laser to knock out the Red Bombardier's missiles repeatedly until you hit 9999990 and freeze the game, since I don't think the bosses timeout... but I'm tempted to test this just to see the crash and have an excuse to submit a new score. (NES Life Force is also counterstoppable in the first loop due to an exploit.)
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I don't think Ultimate would be a very popular score table. But I think there's something for having the hardest difficulty as an option. I've played some credits of it on 360 Mode a few times, but I haven't gotten very far yet.
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A lot of the games on the site are counterstoppable/broken in some way, but as long as people want to play them and the provide a score to post, I'm down with that. :)

(I won't get rid of Futari Ultra :P)
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