Capcom Classics Collection PSP - inc 2 extra games

[Recap]

So why exactly does fake low res kill the games? From all my experience with it, it doesn't make the games unplayable and it doesn't make the ports crappy. In fact, nobody ever gives me a striaght answer when I try to ask what exactly fake low res is. All I get is that it's some kind of anti aliasing thing and an attempt to make the games less pixelated.

Maybe it has to do with the censorship the subject gets these days on this very board? I explained it all here. Check it out and then, ask.

[Thunder Force]

Okay, can anyone tell me whether this comp will recognize non-Dual Shock controllers? I was extremely angry to discover Namco 50th (also coded by DE) would not load if it did not detect a DS. How in the hell does a developer decide to lock out joysticks from an arcade compilation??? Anyway, considering this pack has three versions of Street Fighter on it, the same decision would be even more disastrous.

For what it's worth, I suppose a Hori Fighting Stick 2 (which has a dual shock 2 analog emulation mode) might possibly overcome such problems. (Although otherwise this model of stick is rather disappointing, the analog emulation is an interesting feature.)

[BrianC]

So why exactly does fake low res kill the games? From all my experience with it, it doesn't make the games unplayable and it doesn't make the ports crappy. In fact, nobody ever gives me a striaght answer when I try to ask what exactly fake low res is. All I get is that it's some kind of anti aliasing thing and an attempt to make the games less pixelated.

Maybe it has to do with the censorship the subject gets these days on this very board? I explained it all here. Check it out and then, ask.

According to what that says, I'm not as far off on fake low res as I thought. I know it's not a "true" arcade display, but I personally don't think it's terrible either. Seriously, the speed and gameplay are intact. Do you honestly think it takes no effort to get the games running at good speed, especially when keeping track of 20 games? Filtering isn't always the best option, but I have seem some games that look absolutely horrible in true low res with no filters at all to make them look less pixelated.

[Recap]

According to what that says, I'm not as far off on fake low res as I thought. I know it's not a "true" arcade display, but I personally don't think it's terrible either. Seriously, the speed and gameplay are intact. Do you honestly think it takes no effort to get the games running at good speed, especially when keeping track of 20 games? Filtering isn't always the best option, but I have seem some games that look absolutely horrible in true low res with no filters at all to make them look less pixelated.

Seems you still don't get it. "True low res" doesn't mean "non-filtered", much less, "pixel-doubled". "True low res" refers to the non-upscaled graphics being displayed at their original (15 kHz) low resolution. It's not an "arcade" display, either; most of home consoles can do it.

[BrianC]

According to what that says, I'm not as far off on fake low res as I thought. I know it's not a "true" arcade display, but I personally don't think it's terrible either. Seriously, the speed and gameplay are intact. Do you honestly think it takes no effort to get the games running at good speed, especially when keeping track of 20 games? Filtering isn't always the best option, but I have seem some games that look absolutely horrible in true low res with no filters at all to make them look less pixelated.

Seems you still don't get it. "True low res" doesn't mean "non-filtered", much less, "pixel-doubled". "True low res" refers to the non-upscaled graphics being displayed at their original (15 kHz) low resolution. It's not an "arcade" display, either; most of home consoles can do it.

Where did I say it means those things? I didn't say that true low res is limited to the arcades either. Seriously, I meant that fake low res isn't usually the original arcade resloution, not that low res is only for arcade games. BTW, I know true low res doesn't mean non-filtered and I suggest you read posts a bit closer and try not to jump the gun and assume they mean something they don't. Just becuase true low res doesn't mean pixel double doesn't mean that low res doesn't look horrible when blown up. True low res means low res sprites upscaled to high res, right?

[Thunder Force]

The folks who still don't understand what true low res is, just consider that like Tate, it's an acquired taste for purists. There's really no need for heated arguments between the purists and non-purists on this question every time it arises.

If we ever add an FAQ to the site, certainly "What is true low res display mode?" will be one of the first questions alongside "What is Tate?" and "What is the difference between Thunderforce V PSX and Saturn?"

[captain ahar]

thanks TF, i was going to tell them to calm down, but alas i have not the authority.

[Dylan1CC]

The folks who still don't understand what true low res is, just consider that like Tate, it's an acquired taste for purists. There's really no need for heated arguments between the purists and non-purists on this question every time it arises.

If we ever add an FAQ to the site, certainly "What is true low res display mode?" will be one of the first questions alongside "What is Tate?" and "What is the difference between Thunderforce V PSX and Saturn?"

How about a separate "official" thread for this sort of thing? Gets reeeaally old seeing every damn thread I enter these days get turned into a low/true low res debate.

[Neon]

Look, I'm no 'purist.' I have PS2 Dragon Blaze which is upscaled. I have PS2 Gigawing Generations which is without tate.

The point is that there's no reason to get this when the 10 years old Generations packs do the job better, other than price of course.

[Marc]

You just showed with that line you don't understand what you're speaking about. It's fine if you are happy with ports like these, but don't pretend everybody calls them "perfect" or even "good"; it just speaks about your lack of knowledge on the original versions.

Or it could be that you've never played half of these 'original' versions in their 'original' environment.

I've played Strider, Street Fighter, Ghosts n Goblines and others on shitty cabs and fucked up monitors that make ANY home display look crystal clear, whether true low-res, fake low-rez, whatever zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

Let's be honest, it's something that the average gamer isn't going to get worked up about and to drag this up EVERY time we're discussing a port of game 'x' gets real old real quick. Any you know that 99% of this board agrees so no need to get all pissy.

Have you ever thought of chilling out and enjoying the games?


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[Recap]

Where did I say it means those things? I didn't say that true low res is limited to the arcades either. Seriously, I meant that fake low res isn't usually the original arcade resloution, not that low res is only for arcade games. BTW, I know true low res doesn't mean non-filtered and I suggest you read posts a bit closer and try not to jump the gun and assume they mean something they don't. Just becuase true low res doesn't mean pixel double doesn't mean that low res doesn't look horrible when blown up. True low res means low res sprites upscaled to high res, right?

Never. From my previous post:

"True low res" doesn't mean "non-filtered", much less, "pixel-doubled". "True low res" refers to the non-upscaled graphics being displayed at their original (15 kHz) low resolution.

Thanks for the suggestion about "reading posts a bit closer". Now you know what to do.

There's really no need for heated arguments between the purists and non-purists on this question every time it arises.

Where is "the heat" in this conversation? It's not a matter of "purism" or the lack of it, either; it's just a matter of a proper usage of the term "perfect port".

How about a separate "official" thread for this sort of thing? Gets reeeaally old seeing every damn thread I enter these days get turned into a low/true low res debate.

Still crying? Learn tolerance. If there weren't people interested in the subject, it wouldn't be appearing over and over.

[captain ahar]

There's really no need for heated arguments between the purists and non-purists on this question every time it arises.

Where is "the heat" in this conversation? It's not a matter of "purism" or the lack of it, either; it's just a matter of a proper usage of the term "perfect port".

yeah, directly in a thread titled, and i quote, "Capcom Classics Collection PSP - inc 2 extra games," which has no release date yet, unless i am mistaken.

let it die. please.

[Recap]

yeah, directly in a thread titled, and i quote, "Capcom Classics Collection PSP - inc 2 extra games," which has no release date yet, unless i am mistaken.

So? The resolution issues are the main problem these ports have these days, hence, they're discussed when a port is announced. Let me insist you people need to learn tolerance; it's as easy as skipping the posts where the subject appears and doing your own about why the fucking bastards didn't include 1941 or something.

Anyways, you failed to see once again I'm not your man - I'm just clarifying the thing a bit in order to make it make sense.

[captain ahar]

whatever dog. no one understands (meaning recap).

you're talking about "perfect port" in a game that won't be out (or played) for months. period. when it comes out, if the video signal is lacking the arcade standard, bitch to your hearts content.

edit: and i promised myself i was done with involving... myself

[system11]

Still crying? Learn tolerance. If there weren't people interested in the subject, it wouldn't be appearing over and over.

It ceased to be interesting some time ago, in terms of the endless debate about what is and isn't low res. There are many other topics where you discuss this at length. It belongs in a FAQ somewhere at this point. Your endless talking down to people from an ivory tower has become -incredibly- tiresome, and belongs nowhere. Learn tolerance.

Now what /would/ be interesting, would be for someone to find out from a Japanese game dev who has actually ported a game into an upscaled and filtered mode, to find out why they did it. That would be something of value.

[professor ganson]

OT: It is uncanny to me how right on the admins and mods are: when they say that something is pointless, tasteless, or otherwise inappropriate, I find myself in total agreement. Then again, I have no freaking idea what the debate about low res. is all about. So I'm glad that I don't have the job of figuring out when things have gone too far.

[Recap]

no one understands (meaning recap).

Nah. There are more and more people every day "understanding" it and realizing its importance, as boards like this show indeed. There're will always be some who prefer to remain in limbo, thoe.

It ceased to be interesting some time ago, in terms of the endless debate about what is and isn't low res. There are many other topics where you discuss this at length. It belongs in a FAQ somewhere at this point. Your endless talking down to people from an ivory tower has become -incredibly- tiresome, and belongs nowhere. Learn tolerance.

You fail to see the point, as usual. The very first person who doesn't have anything to get from these "discussions" is myself, since the thing is pretty clear to me, as you could figure. I NEVER EVER did start the topic on this board; I just answer or clarify to those who ask. Whatever. You should think, nevertheless, that, as the board administrator, you're despising all the people who indeed still find it interesting and keep asking about it periodically. "Tolerance", you know.

Now what /would/ be interesting, would be for someone to find out from a Japanese game dev who has actually ported a game into an upscaled and filtered mode, to find out why they did it. That would be something of value.

There's no need for that since the reasons are pretty obvious. If you had got down from your own "ivory tower" instead of assuming that nobody is saying something "of value" here you'd have found out that that's already answered in an article linked a few posts before.

It is uncanny to me how right on the admins and mods are: when they say that something is pointless, tasteless, or otherwise inappropriate, I find myself in total agreement. Then again, I have no freaking idea what the debate about low res. is all about. So I'm glad that I don't have the job of figuring out when things have gone too far.

Thanks. Those lines show very accurately the level of intolerance and hypocrisy of some people here - "I don't understand a word, so close it, it's useless". Ah, the ignorance.

[system11]

You fail to see the point, as usual. The very first person who doesn't have anything to get from these "discussions" is myself, since the thing is pretty clear to me, as you could figure. I NEVER EVER did start the topic on this board; I just answer or clarify to those who ask. Whatever. You should think, nevertheless, that, as the board administrator, you're despising all the people who indeed still find it interesting and keep asking about it periodically. "Tolerance", you know.

No, you didn't start the topic. You felt it was necessary to open the discussion by talking down to BrianC. Sure he may have been wrong about something, but there are ways of correcting people without an opening gambit of "you're an idiot, because:". The next bit was whining about censorship, when all we ever asked you to do was stop taking over entire topics with endless replies, even when you're in the wrong or simply sharing a different viewpoint. (Who can forget the hilarity of the Castlevania topic?) I have no problem with people asking a question and getting an answer. I have absolutely no tolerance for people unable to do this without being needlessly rude and condescending.

There's no need for that since the reasons are pretty obvious. If you had got down from your own "ivory tower" instead of assuming that nobody is saying something "of value" here you'd have found out that that's already answered in an article linked a few posts before.

Yes, and I've seen that article before. It's a good article, but it doesn't address why even games -without- unique resolutions are getting the same treatment.

Thanks. Those lines show very accurately the level of intolerance and hypocrisy of some people here - "I don't understand a word, so close it, it's useless". Ah, the ignorance.

The above, was a deliberate misinterpretation of what someone said, as usual. I think the point is, that you have absolutely no fucking clue about how to interact on a public forum without being easily, without a doubt, the most obnoxious individual I have ever had the misfortune to deal with.

I'm afraid I'll be sparing the forum another poorly worded reply (your English is not as good as you think it is). Goodbye.

[Neon]

I dunno why seth's post got deleted, but c'mon. That was great.

What game is that, anyway?

[sethsez]

Eh, my point was made and it was really just fanning the flames.

I still have the image saved in case a need for it ever comes up again, though.

[system11]

What game is that, anyway?

I think it's from Battle Circuit, a CPS2 scrolling beater.

[SAM]

If you wanted to play 1943, would you:

a.) buy the PSX or Saturn version;

b.) buy this so you can play it in yoko only and upscaled, with emulation glitches, but oh well, at least it's got extras!

It is cheaper, but fuck that. It's a lazy ass job and I'd rather not play more than 2 or 3 games at a time anyways.

SAM's Answer:

c) buy the JAMMA PCB version for only 5,000 yen (~$43). Tate mode, non-interlance, acrade perfact.

Seems like overkill to me. I don't see any reason why the PSX version wouldn't be arcade perfect with no load times. Saturn maybe a few downsampled sound effects but otherwise the same. And you get Kai and 1942 to go with it.

Kai seems to be a bit better on PC Engine than arcade, but still.

I have gone through several version with 1943. I orginally owned the NES version. I sold it when I got the Capcom Generation Vol.1 for PS1. Then I fould the Capcom Generation is rarely played since it's tate mode could rotate the screen 90 degrees clockwise instead of anti-clockwise for most of the other games.

I got an acrade monitor for playing game in tate mode, and I won't invert it or swop it's yoke wires every time I play 1943. So it turns out the it only be played in yoko mode, in which the resolution of PS1 is not high enough got some lines of pixtel missing. I sold it when I perform trim down last time.

After gone through all this I said to myself, next time I get a compilnation because of 1943 I will have to get it right, I don't want to have it sold because of some kinds of defact.

I run upon a 1943 JAMMA PCBs selling for 5,000yen a few days ago, since I already got some stuf to buy from the same seller, it would save money in bank changes and combind shippment. So I decided to get it. I would finnal able to play 1943 in tate when it arrive.

Actually there is one huge difference between this version and the PS1 Generation one. According to the lenience aggrement, Capcom allows you to put this version of the game within a coin-opt meachine and make money with it. Not much use for most of us...

[BrianC]

SAM's Answer:

c) buy the JAMMA PCB version for only 5,000 yen (~$43). Tate mode, non-interlance, acrade perfact.

Seems like overkill to me. I don't see any reason why the PSX version wouldn't be arcade perfect with no load times. Saturn maybe a few downsampled sound effects but otherwise the same. And you get Kai and 1942 to go with it.

Kai seems to be a bit better on PC Engine than arcade, but still.

I have gone through several version with 1943. I orginally owned the NES version. I sold it when I got the Capcom Generation Vol.1 for PS1. Then I fould the Capcom Generation is rarely played since it's tate mode could rotate the screen 90 degrees clockwise instead of anti-clockwise for most of the other games.

I got an acrade monitor for playing game in tate mode, and I won't invert it or swop it's yoke wires every time I play 1943. So it turns out the it only be played in yoko mode, in which the resolution of PS1 is not high enough got some lines of pixtel missing. I sold it when I perform trim down last time.

After gone through all this I said to myself, next time I get a compilnation because of 1943 I will have to get it right, I don't want to have it sold because of some kinds of defact.

I run upon a 1943 JAMMA PCBs selling for 5,000yen a few days ago, since I already got some stuf to buy from the same seller, it would save money in bank changes and combind shippment. So I decided to get it. I would finnal able to play 1943 in tate when it arrive.

Actually there is one huge difference between this version and the PS1 Generation one. According to the lenience aggrement, Capcom allows you to put this version of the game within a coin-opt meachine and make money with it. Not much use for most of us...

The versions of 1943 in Capcom Classics Collection don't have any tate, but the screen size can be changed to a good size. Why did you sell the NES version? It's a bit different from the arcade one, but it's also the only console version of the game with a charge laser. Is it true that some games have a tate that doesn't fill the screen in Capcom Generations?

[Marc]

What Bloodflowers said. Give the man a cigar.

[SAM]

Why did you sell the NES version? It's a bit different from the arcade one, but it's also the only console version of the game with a charge laser.

I sold the NES version because my NES is no longer working and I got the Capcom Generation Vol. 1 then.

Is it true that some games have a tate that doesn't fill the screen in Capcom Generations?

Have seen something about this somewhere in this forum. This should not be a problem, as there is switches on the acrade monitor for adjusting the size of the image.

[Dylan1CC]

Official press release from Capcom. FINALLY we get a release date and best of all, 1941 and Varth are confirmed! Not only that, TATE is most likely confirmed due to "normal, stretched and vertical screen options," ad hoc multiplayer, you can upload high scores to your friend's PSP, customizable controls, extra goodies include downloading soundtracks to your memory stick, remixed tracks and of course an art gallery. Thanks to Agent X from TNL for finding this:

http://www.capcom.com/news/news.xpml?prid=550058

CAPCOM® ANNOUNCES CAPCOM® CLASSICS COLLECTION REMIXED
HISTORY ARRIVES IN GAMERS HANDS AS ACCLAIMED CAPCOM® FAVORITES COME TO THE PSP™ PLAYSTATION®PORTABLE) SYSTEM IN CAPCOM® CLASSICS COLLECTION REMIXED

- Remarkable Collection Reunites Timeless Classics Including 1941, Street Fighter and Strider -

SUNNYVALE, Calif - November 18, 2005 - Just when the past was in the past, Capcom® today announced Capcom® Classics Collection Remixed, a remarkable compilation for the PSP™ (PlayStation®Portable) system which will have every gaming generation reminiscing about the good ole arcade days. Bursting with retro flavor, this portable arcade compilation comes together in an amazing collection of 20 all-time favorites that will have gamers reaching for their quarters. Adding to the bountiful content, the game is further enhanced with wireless multiplayer gameplay via the PSP system’s ad hoc mode. Bonus features are abound in this 20-in-1 anthology, enticing those wanting a great handheld gaming package at a tremendous value. Capcom Classics Collection Remixed is scheduled for release throughout North America in March 2006.

Capcom Classics Collection Remixed provides quality entertainment that delves deep into Capcom’s history, offering players more depth and gameplay challenges. Play this latest cache of classics in several aspect ratios including normal, stretch or, depending on the title, its original vertical orientation. Fully customizable controls enhance the gaming experience by allowing the reassignment of the analog stick to accommodate vertical games. Enjoy the timeless hits of yesteryear with the wireless capabilities the portable system has to offer such as joining no-fuss multiplayer games and downloading music. Players will need to be pried away from this game as the multitude of bonus materials will have them glued to the system wanting more.

Capcom Classics Collection Remixed boasts the following features:
• 20-games-in-1 including:
o 1941 – A vertical shooter that challenges player to shoot down enemy fighters, buildings, ships andvehicles.
o Avengers - A unique top down, vertically scrolling beat ‘em up has players roving through the gang riddled streets of Paradise City in search of the ring leader who has taken hostages.
o Block Block – An innovative twist to the block breaking genre, Block Block features a two player co-op mode, allowing for the cooperative destruction of blocks. Also unique to this title was the constantly shrinking paddle that forced player to finish each board as quickly as possible.
o Captain Commando – Following in the footsteps of several great side-scrolling brawler titles, this four player co-op game tracks the adventures of four intergalactic space rangers who must enforce peace throughout the galaxy.
o Magic Sword – An intense side-scrollinggame that takes players through 50 levels of the ominous Dragon Tower in order to defeat the evil Drokkmar.
o Quiz and Dragons – The most innovative quiz game of its time which features integrated RGP style gameplay. Taking place on a virtual board game, players would roll the dice to determine their progression. A battle would ensue if characters landed on an enemy. Knowledge is power as quizzes are provided with each confronted challenger. Answering correctly is a strike against the enemy. A wrong answer is a strike against the player.
o Street Fighter – The game that started the entire fighting phenomenon and created a generation of video game brawlers. The first Capcom fighting game only had two playable characters, Ken and Ryu, who would travel the world to compete in martial arts tournaments.
o Strider – An inventive action platform game that follows Strider Hiryu who must save the earth from the clutches of the evil Grandmaster Meio and his minions.
o Three Wonders – A compilation of three games in one that covered three different genres: horizontal scrolling platformer (Midnight Wanders), horizontal scrolling shooter (Chariot) and a puzzle game (Don’t Pull).
o Varth – A scrolling aerial vertical shooter that has players in the cockpit ofa plane firing shots on the offensive or defensive.
• Network functionality –
o Easily join multiplayer games, via the PSP system’s wireless ad hoc mode, at anytime without the fuss of complicated lobby rooms.
o Download music to the memory stick.
o Virally transfer high score data to and from others systems while engaging in multiplayer battles.
• Customizable controls - Reassign the PSP system controls to suit any gaming preference or style.
• Selection of screen settings – Change the size ratio including normal, stretch or vertical.
• Bonus content – Listen to remixed music and view original artwork.

Capcom is a leading worldwide developer, publisher and distributor of interactive entertainment. Founded in 1983, the company has created world renowned franchises including Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Mega Man, Breath of Fire, Devil May Cry and the Onimusha series. Headquartered in Osaka, Japan, the company maintains operations in the U.S., United Kingdom, Germany, Tokyo and Hong Kong. More information about Capcom and its products can be found on the company’s web site at www.capcom.com.

[BulletMagnet]

Hmm, Wonder 3 is in there as well, on the shmup front...it sounds like you PSP shmuppers have some reason to be hopeful.

[BrianC]

Wow. That is a good list and since it has 20 games just like the PS2 and Xbox CCC, there shouldn't be many repeats from that one either. 1941 and Varth! Woo!

[Neo Rasa]

As far as the US goes, Capcom would be throwing money away to release this here. The majority of people getting a PSP in the US have it because it's a "portable PS2" that they can play 3D action games on.

Varth, 3 Wonders, Strider, such great games. I really hope the "Volume 1" on the packaging of the Capcom Classics Collection isn't a joke and we actually get a volume two with these games on it. Hell at the $20 price the first came out at I'd pay that much just for any one of those three games.

[Thunder Force]

Portable Varth, hurray!