Terrorist Bombings at 2013 Boston Marathon today...

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Incidents like this make me wonder if the God I believe in exists. Seems we can't do anything without, pardon my language, some bastard(s) interrupting the fun . My cousin lives on the road where it happened, but he's ok.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Incidents like this make me wonder if the God I believe in exists.

If a few people getting killed by a bomb is all it takes for you to question your faith, you've obviously never paid attention to God's own kill counts. Whether or not such a deity exists is somewhat irrelevant; either way would you really want to worship such a bloodthirsty being?

Humans are generally good people, but as you say, it only takes one moron to fuck up a lot of lives.

[neorichieb1971]

Yeah, was talking about foreign agents causing the terrorism.

The headlines never read "This happened because...". Its always "I condemn this attack and those responsible will be made to pay". Quite often, even innocent people seem to pay, regardless of whether they are proven to be affiliated with the attack or not. As long as you have a fall guy, America is quite happy.

Its my understanding that terrorism usually happens when you have 3 parties. 2 governments who sign papers giving one some rights to the other, then a 3rd party who totally vows its an injustice to suffer the consequences of such an action. I guess you can't keep everyone happy, but it should be a foresight on all governments agreements that some extremist party might be sparked off by such an agreement. After all innocent lives are often lost and these are tax payers.

Its all very well offering certain parties overseas riches beyond their dreams, only to see their own people live in slums down the road with no access to such riches. America has had a license to turn countries into a toilet zone for years, whilst they dine on the best of everything. I think this is/was and will be the spawning events that lead to such explosions/attacks. America needs too much from the world at the moment, so I can understand why the politics get a bit ugly.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

One possible clue, given the April 15th date (which for our international shmuppers is the day that all Americans send their W-2 forms along with any tax payments if it's been determined that it needed be paid or a tax refund issued), there are some right-wing militia groups that don't give a fuck about paying their fair share of taxes to the IRS on the 4/15 date. Sounds like it could possibly be domestic terrorism with the 4/15 taxes due deadline is one possible/plausible theory.

But until the FBI and CIA review the video camera footage prior to the Boston Marathon being setup, and identify the suspect(s) behind the bombings, it's all just rumors/speculation at this point at best.

Some folks have been known to use their W-2 forms as toilet paper to wipe their ass with, mail it in to the IRS and the IRS simply mails it right back to them (and they aren't given a new W-2 form either). And they think by doing that, it's all one big joke to play around with the IRS like that. Talk about a taste of their own bitter medicine right there.

PC Engine Fan X!

[Ed Oscuro]

Well stated PC-Engine Fan X!

Since people were talking about God, I wouldn't try to characterize what it is that a God feels like, but apparently it's been diverting to watch us.

Humans are generally good people, but as you say, it only takes one moron to fuck up a lot of lives.

Or one act of creation, apparently!

It is interesting to wonder how our modern view of the world is even compatible with the story of the Bible. For example, we say (and of course this is since relatively early Christian philosophers) that God knows all and then we say that the future is easily predicted, even known, by God. If you didn't believe such a thing (maybe there would be a good reason for it) then that lets some steam out of the argument.

Minor unrelated news, but:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... 3185.story

[DEL]

PC Engine Fan X! wrote;

One possible clue, given the April 15th date (which for our international shmuppers is the day that all Americans send their W-2 forms along with any tax payments if it's been determined that it needed be paid or a tax refund issued), there are some right-wing militia groups that don't give a fuck about paying their fair share of taxes to the IRS on the 4/15 date. Sounds like it could possibly be domestic terrorism with the 4/15 taxes due deadline is one possible/plausible theory.

But until the FBI and CIA review the video camera footage prior to the Boston Marathon being setup, and identify the suspect(s) behind the bombings, it's all just rumors/speculation at this point at best.

Some folks have been known to use their W-2 forms as toilet paper to wipe their ass with, mail it in to the IRS and the IRS simply mails it right back to them (and they aren't given a new W-2 form either). And they think by doing that, it's all one big joke to play around with the IRS like that. Talk about a taste of their own bitter medicine right there.

PC Engine Fan X!

That's an interesting point PC Engine Fan X! & it might have some mileage. But let's remember that the big corporations pay little or no tax. As we know, they buy islands and set them up as tax havens. One island is sectioned off into 4 pieces for tax avoidance purposes, namely Tesco A, B, C, D. Glaxo SmithKline for instance made £6,900,000,000 profit from the UK market last year and used its mega lawyers to run it through Luxembourg and pay only £300,000 of tax - virtually nothing.

As for the culprits in the Boston Bombing. Yes its too early to say.

[ancestral-knowledge]

Another thing that happened in parallel is the massive breakdown of the gold price on the stock market. I say this stinks.

[Skykid]

This is like that time all the sheeple in the US thought Bin Laden was dead, but then he popped up a year later, breaking into a satellite TV showing of Honey Boo Boo, shouting "HA! YOU FOOLS! DID YOU REALLY THINK YOU'D GOTTEN RID OF ME?!"

No, it's not like that time. That was the time when all the sheeple in the US assumed that because the government told them they had launched a special ops assault in Pakistan and finally got their most wanted man, that said wanted man hadn't already been dead for many, many years, and his visage was just being used as donkey bait to prolong the latest oil driven war at the cost of countless civilian lives.

Ah, now you remember. That one where no evidence was necessary, just needed to keep his funeral in accordance with Islamic law?

Never ever quote the controlled mainstream media as a 'news' source.

See, it's just the extremism of the view that I find difficult to swallow. I don't really think Seth McFarlane had a even a small hand in this recent event, I just think it's the same crass humour he's always used before and after his show was axed several times and then reinstated (a reinstatement I don't think was designed as a clandestine vehicle to show the world forthcoming atrocities in a surreptitious fashion, just for the pure heckle of it.)

However, I'll bite on a smaller piece of the pie: I don't believe any mainstream news media as far as it can be thrown. I've witnessed firsthand the bullshit people are fed while residing in different countries, and countless reveals via the internet (using actual evidence - as with the Tibetan riots using footage of Pakistani officers - BBC and friends tripped over each others dicks on that one, and only the Germans apologised for falsification.) I've also gawped at Russia Today's incredible propaganda (although there is some value in the channel being anti-western, you just have to dig through selected stories to find the flip-side ones) and at US local news during Iraq war time: "Hi Julie. I'm on the corner of 22nd street and at the moment we believe there could well be an Al Qaeda terrorist bomb in the trashcan behind me."

Farce on a nightly basis, guaranteed.

But the entire mainstream media full stop? No. It's an industry full of rich pricks trying to be richer and more powerful, granted, but entertainment it remains. I've seen questionable things from conspiracy theories re: music videos and film etc, and a few little things that also make you sit up and say, "okay, that's a bit weird."

I think DEL is entitled to debate his corner. I'm happy to hear about any of this stuff, even though it will take a lot more evidence to make me believe it. Frankly, there have been so many prophecies from the conspiracy camp that have completely failed to materialise (Olympics 2012? Where was the bloodshed?) that they're putting Nostradamus out of his heritage.

[DEL]

Like I said, you almost get the 100% controlled mainstream media bit. Almost.

Skykid wrote;

I think DEL is entitled to debate his corner. I'm happy to hear about any of this stuff, even though it will take a lot more evidence to make me believe it. Frankly, there have been so many prophecies from the conspiracy camp that have completely failed to materialise (Olympics 2012? Where was the bloodshed?) that they're putting Nostradamus out of his heritage.

Oh there is indeed falseness everywhere. The ominous stuff all over the media last year regarding the Olympics was a misdirection exercise. No bloodshed during the Olympics?! Did you not see the AURORA massacre and Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting on Holmes Avenue during the Olympics? The World is their playground, and for some reason the USA is the current target.
Since late last year I've been saying to my friends: "Watch North America in 2013. There's definitely something up."

Aurora and Wisconsin during the Olympics were the first in the wave of errr....incidents...that are still occurring.

[Skykid]

Well there have been a few US based incidents, but it's a big, complicated place. I fall back on the 'shit happens' argument for its recent tragedies, and the 'shit's made up' stance for general government political baloney and Bin Laden sting operations.

[neorichieb1971]

You guys are talking like we are in the matrix.

If anyone is pulling strings, its billionaires who think the world is their playground. Billionaires in media? Well thats just crafty tactics.

[Skykid]

You guys are talking like we are in the matrix.

If anyone is pulling strings, its billionaires who think the world is their playground. Billionaires in media? Well thats just crafty tactics.

There are billionaires pulling strings in everything, mainly to serve their own interests and royally fuck yours. DEL's view is a little more like it's one giant consolidated network with an ultimate design, I just think the system stinks and has been redesigned by bankers and politicians (one and the same, usually) to ensure their stranglehold on your wallet and the profitable resources of third world countries.

[RGC]

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[system11]

I suspect the bombing may just have been an 'I hate people' event.

[DrTrouserPlank]

Ricin in the post to the president and a senator as well now I see... I suppose anthrax is so 2001.

Reports of an arrest in relation to the bombing as well coming through.. no details

Much as it's sad to see both people lose their lives and a peaceful event disrupted, this attack was half-assed and conducted with minimal planning/resources. Whilst it smacks of terrorism in the sense that it's indiscriminate killing at a neutral event, it's not organised terrorism, it's not much more than a small cell of nutters wanting to hurt people.. anyone.

[undamned]

Incidents like this make me wonder if the God I believe in exists.

He doesn't.

I suspect the bombing may just have been an 'I hate people' event.

That's actually what I've been thinking. I have a fairly unstable friend who says scary stuff that would be totally in line with doing something like this (don't worry, he has an alibi). Basically a mentality of "I want to show the world how angry I am." I've asked him, "how would that change anything? Who do you want to change what and how would they deduce that message from some ambiguous act of violence?" Sadly he can't explain.
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[DrTrouserPlank]

I have a fairly unstable friend who says scary stuff that would be totally in line with doing something like this (don't worry, he has an alibi). Basically a mentality of "I want to show the world how angry I am." I've asked him, "how would that change anything? Who do you want to change what and how would they deduce that message from some ambiguous act of violence?" Sadly he can't explain.
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It's good to know that there are people like that, which of course there are in every country around the world. Even better to know however that there are people like that in a country where buying a gun is no more abnormal than buying a pint of milk. Let's hope he doesn't have a bad day or else I might be reading about it on the news soon.

God bless America.

[system11]

That's actually what I've been thinking. I have a fairly unstable friend who says scary stuff that would be totally in line with doing something like this (don't worry, he has an alibi). Basically a mentality of "I want to show the world how angry I am." I've asked him, "how would that change anything? Who do you want to change what and how would they deduce that message from some ambiguous act of violence?" Sadly he can't explain.
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I think it's understandable and will happen more and more due to overpopulation and the diminishing value of the individual.

[dcharlieJP]

Since late last year I've been saying to my friends: "Watch North America in 2013. There's definitely something up."

Not being funny here - but I have an old friend who is deep into conspiracies and he says "watch the USA in <year>" every year since 9/11 - be honest, is this the first time you've expressed this just for this year?

Re: media - I don't trust them especially since news became entertainment - however, I don't believe there's any conspiracy regarding pre-knowledge of events or of conspiracy to create events such as that in Boston. There's enough stupid people in the world where you can find some news story to drag out and keep the masses entertained with (e.g. Not heard a thing about N Korea in last few days yet we had a live cam on the missile defenses each day for over a week)

News is out to entertain - the conspiracy more apparent is Murdoch's empire and his attempts to undermine politics in each country he lands in by riling up the right wing. But hey - that's a whole new thread. But you do have constant rhetoric from right win commentators alon the lines of Obama is a communist, left wing agendas! , it's these damned gays faults, be a warrior against these nazis - and by the power of gods will etc etc - someone a bit unhinged bombarded by that nonsense may well do something drastic - of course it'll probably be video games that gets the blame and not, say, a focused news station like Fox

[BareKnuckleRoo]

I think it's understandable and will happen more and more due to overpopulation and the diminishing value of the individual.

There's a difference between being a bit of a misanthrope (I'm usually a big one) and being a sociopath. Stupid people may piss me off, but attacking innocent people with an explosive serves no purpose but to make me way worse than anyone I hate. Regardless of how 'angry' an individual may feel, you're going into psychotic, mentally unstable territory when your idea of coping is lashing out at completely innocent bystanders.

[Ed Oscuro]

Internally coherent = the story is not internally contradictory, whether or not it's true. I think the issue with DEL's statements is that he doesn't back them up. However, you can construct internally coherent stories about dragons and magick.
Understandable = capable of being understood, as distinct from "what a swell guy I approve of this message"

Anyway, possible developments happening at the moment:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... b/2089963/

[CStarFlare]

Aurora and Wisconsin during the Olympics were the first in the wave of errr....incidents...that are still occurring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ra ... :_Americas

sort by date, year, country

Which wave were they, again? Certainly not the first. Note that this list is narrowly defined and still has a significant body of massacres dating before 2013.

"Something is up in the US" is hilariously vague to begin with, and it's even better when "something" is confirmed as "the same thing."

[Ed Oscuro]

something et oop with the dutch

[louisg]

What, no mention of the Texas blast yet and trying to tie it to the ricin and Boston incidents? You guys are slippin'.

So disappointed in you.

[mesh control]

#falseflag

[Ed Oscuro]

What, no mention of the Texas blast yet

Fertilizer blowing up in Texas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Disaster

edit: JEZUS though - the explosion on a cellphone camera

[DEL]

You got there before me Ed. Oh and I understand your skepticism on conspiracy research. No problem

WACO Big Explosion at 30secs: http://www.kwkt.com/news/caught-camera- ... -near-waco

I'll get round to answering RGC's question later. Basically your second post is really good, but you need the explanation why. They are not billionnaires, they are Trillionaires. The Rothschild family alone has a personal fortune at an estimated 500 Trillion. They could bail out the whole World and still have hundreds of trillions left over.
$500,000,000,000,000
Is that 5,000 billion?
Anyway, explanation later.

[BIL]

edit: JEZUS though - the explosion on a cellphone camera

It's just like one of my Japanese videogames!

[DocHauser]

edit: JEZUS though - the explosion on a cellphone camera

It's just like one of my Japanese videogames!

My favourite comments under the YouTube video are people complaining about it being filmed in Portrait instead of Landscape. Maybe they just need to TATE their screens.