Dodonpachi DOJ Beginner - Confused About Versions/Ships

[Skykid]

Awesome job Ancestral, a WL clear! A beautiful bastard of a game, and one that, well, see my signature.

I agree on the character choices too. Forget about Shotia, ugh.

White Label should only be played with EXY.

In the end I felt the same way about BL too.

[ancestral-knowledge]

I want to thank everyone for the support!


I would like to get into some points errpo mentioned. For this let us consider this replay.

...The 1-3 boss final pattern is changed in BL, but into a harder version. ... the 1-2 boss for example is identical in both.

No, it's not. Look at 9:30. The blue curtain bullets that cross each other have far more space from each other in Black Label. In WL you barely fit through. At 5:00 appears the second boss where he stores 2 hypers to kill the boss quickly. This tactic does not work in White Label with only 1 bomb. I tried it several times but the hypers don't add that much extra damage for your laser with SHOTIA. You'll end up in a repetition of the pattern (that always kills me) or the hyper won't last to the 2nd phase. I feel that the speed of the boss doesn't seem to be as fast as in white label when hypering too. At 11:00 in stage 4 the bullets are faster in White Label making this a very tough stage.

I don't feel it's that much different from BL even with this ship, though just as in BL, some parts really are pretty hard with it. I also have no idea how to chain anything with the ship.

I think the problem is that you appear to be a very good player and i am not. Slight differences in the first loop don't matter to someone who can get into the 2nd loop with SHOTIA just for a laugh.

... I'm also curious which Youtube replays you consider cheated.

I can't point a finger on one (would have to search) but basically i don't trust these youtube accounts where guys post videos of like 100 games they have conquered. And we are talking about accounts where you see a ketsui 2 loop and dai ou jou 2 loop clear. I don't think that these guys are honest at all.

[Erppo]

No, it's not. Look at 9:30. The blue curtain bullets that cross each other have far more space from each other in Black Label. In WL you barely fit through.

Comparison. It actually seems like I was wrong here. I've never noticed that the blue waves become more frequent towards the end in the WL version too. It seems like the attacks are more or less identical, except for the fact that the BL one switches to different bullet sprites near the end, which of course doesn't actually do anything.

At 5:00 appears the second boss where he stores 2 hypers to kill the boss quickly. This tactic does not work in White Label with only 1 bomb. I tried it several times but the hypers don't add that much extra damage for your laser with SHOTIA. You'll end up in a repetition of the pattern (that always kills me) or the hyper won't last to the 2nd phase. I feel that the speed of the boss doesn't seem to be as fast as in white label when hypering too.

I'm confused by this part, considering the replay you linked is from WL and with B-S. I guess it's possible that the PS2 port differs from the PCB but I find this unlikely considering I've understood that it's a really good port.

I think the problem is that you appear to be a very good player and i am not. Slight differences in the first loop don't matter to someone who can get into the 2nd loop with SHOTIA just for a laugh.

Perhaps. I'm certainly not trying to trash your achievment here. I agree that B-S is rather hard to use and if you're at the edge of your current skills, all differences matter.

I can't point a finger on one (would have to search) but basically i don't trust these youtube accounts where guys post videos of like 100 games they have conquered. And we are talking about accounts where you see a ketsui 2 loop and dai ou jou 2 loop clear. I don't think that these guys are honest at all.

Ah, I think I know what you mean. There's at least the "Arcade Longplay" guy and he even says in his profile that most runs aren't legit.