Is a 1CC worthless if you're not going for score?

[Marc]

3x DESTROYED AT A TIME!
took one post to impulsively bring out the weeaboo card

Two posts actually. That's the best card too, all retaliation nullified.

Gus's essay is entirely valid and worth a read.

The essay is incoherent; and thus valid only in theory; and thus difficult to ascertain validity. What exactly are you endorsing about that essay? What is the essay actually saying in your opinion?

Terrible fucking essay. Considering the achievement of his scoring, it's clear that two years in a dungeon has left him unable to comprehend that not everyone needs to have the same aspirations to enjoy themselves. He does himself a disservice by offering up opinions about how to play/live/exist, he should just let the scores do the talking. Guy needs to all clear his stupid perceptions and counterstop his tongue.

I lol'd, but seriously, reading that actually made me wonder about the state of the guys mind.

[pestro87]

Play however you want, as long as you're not passing off credit feeding or tool assistance as a sort of display of skill.

Hahahaha, that youtube video made my day

I only credit feed when I'm hungover and/or I just want to try out different strategies.

[Lynx Winters]

FYI Gus has been to Asian arcades and bought a prostitute.

Question: What would you say to Nikola Tesla about all this? He practically invented the modern world and his philosophy was quite similar. If more people ignored the retarded, superficial bullshit modern society pushes on everyone we might live in a better, more advanced world.

Btw Tesla would play Yagawa games.

You're implying, intentional or not, that inventing in a relatively new scientific field and playing a video really well are equivalent. Tesla was celibate and displayed odd behavior, but he also "invented the modern world." That's productive and beneficial to others. Playing a video game really well doesn't really fit either of those.

My answer to the topic question is that playing for score and/or 1cc is equally as worthless as any other video game accomplishment that doesn't result in winning prizes. Just enjoy your hobby however you want to enjoy it.

[pestro87]

You're implying, intentional or not, that inventing in a relatively new scientific field and playing a video really well are equivalent. Tesla was celibate and displayed odd behavior, but he also "invented the modern world." That's productive and beneficial to others. Playing a video game really well doesn't really fit either of those.

I don't agree with this. I find that watching a replay where another person has gotten a higher score than me, is beneficial to me as it can help me to understand how I can improve. I also find it helpful to see which strategies other people use.

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

Re: gus

You have to suffer for your art. I can understand that.

[BIL]

Like Bob Flanagan?

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

His art was more an expression of suffering. They were both molested by machines in some way though so I see the similarity.

Henry Darger would be a better comparison.

[Lynx Winters]

I don't agree with this. I find that watching a replay where another person has gotten a higher score than me, is beneficial to me as it can help me to understand how I can improve. I also find it helpful to see which strategies other people use.

When I said "beneficial" in the context of comparing an inventor to a gamer, I'm talking about actual significant value to society. Replays and strategies from better game players are obviously helpful to other people playing that game, but I would never say that a superplay has improved my quality of life the way that shooting lightning into my home has.

It's all bullshit semantics anyway, I was pointing out that it was a really bad attempt at making video games seem more important than they really are.

[Skykid]

I'm not completely sure what Mr. Angry (Skykid) is on about talking about people telling people how to play. The way I (and I assume others) are answering is about the way we value our own runs. I don't care how anyone else plays. I find scores where you don't get at least a 1-ALL to be practice so, not really worthless but I wouldn't want to make some sort of public record out of failing. The OP asked for opinions and got them, not sure why Mr. Angry is so angry. He wants to get Gus in a headlock from the sound of things. I haven't read the essay but it can't be that infuriating. Try not to get in a street brawl with our superplayers thanks peace.

You should probably read the essay before accusing me.

[BIL]

His art was more an expression of suffering. They were both molested by machines in some way though so I see the similarity.

Henry Darger would be a better comparison.

Excellent post. A much better response than mine deserved, too.

[Hagane]

Depends. When it comes to having fun, anything that's fun is worth, be it 1CCing or getting a WR. Competitively speaking, in newer games generally an 1CC isn't worth much since raw survival doesn't give many points and is quite easy. On games with hard survival such as Ketsui or Dragon Blaze, even a "simple" ALL is an impressive feat though.

[Thorham]

Whats worth more? my 5 boss on futari at 200mil or a clear at 180mil?

My opinion: The clear is worth more if the clearer can clear the game consistently, in a controlled fashion (not like my flailing antics ).

Anyway, some people like clears, some people like score and some people like both. Same with peanut butter: Some people like it, some don't. Big deal.

[pestro87]

I don't agree with this. I find that watching a replay where another person has gotten a higher score than me, is beneficial to me as it can help me to understand how I can improve. I also find it helpful to see which strategies other people use.

When I said "beneficial" in the context of comparing an inventor to a gamer, I'm talking about actual significant value to society. Replays and strategies from better game players are obviously helpful to other people playing that game, but I would never say that a superplay has improved my quality of life the way that shooting lightning into my home has.

It's all bullshit semantics anyway, I was pointing out that it was a really bad attempt at making video games seem more important than they really are.

Oh I see. Thanks for clarifying!

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

I'm not completely sure what Mr. Angry (Skykid) is on about talking about people telling people how to play. The way I (and I assume others) are answering is about the way we value our own runs. I don't care how anyone else plays. I find scores where you don't get at least a 1-ALL to be practice so, not really worthless but I wouldn't want to make some sort of public record out of failing. The OP asked for opinions and got them, not sure why Mr. Angry is so angry. He wants to get Gus in a headlock from the sound of things. I haven't read the essay but it can't be that infuriating. Try not to get in a street brawl with our superplayers thanks peace.

You should probably read the essay before accusing me.

Well I found it and read enough of it to be certain he is insane and possibly past the point of ever being curable but I'm not angry about it.

[Skykid]

You should probably read the essay before accusing me.

Well I found it and read enough of it to be certain he is insane and possibly past the point of ever being curable but I'm not angry about it.

It's just a discussion on the subject Spork. I see people enjoying videogames every day on entirely their own terms, and it's liberating. I feel blessed to have found arcade communities alive and well, better than ever in-fact, and illustrating that videogames work best as a relaxing pastime.

My response was just a critique of a critique, and essays (it's not really an essay, but anyway) deserve critiquing. But yes, he's a raving lunatic, and now we know what the pursuit of Futari Ultra counterstop does to one's mind.

[O. Van Bruce]

You should probably read the essay before accusing me.

Well I found it and read enough of it to be certain he is insane and possibly past the point of ever being curable but I'm not angry about it.

It's just a discussion on the subject Spork. I see people enjoying videogames every day on entirely their own terms, and it's liberating. I feel blessed to have find arcade communities alive and well, better than ever in-fact, and illustrating that videogames work best as a relaxing pastime.

My response was just a critique of a critique, and essays (it's not really an essay, but anyway) deserve critiquing. But yes, he's a raving lunatic, and now we know what the pursuit of Futari Ultra counterstop does to one's mind.

One thing is to consider that someone can be spending their time in more fulfilling ativities for their life and another to call him crazy just because of his passion.

It's true that he may regret in the future the way he's going full shmup right now but just beause you think that way it doesn't entitle you to call him a lunatic.

Be more respectful toward other's people decisions, specially when they aren't affecting your life in any way.

[Skykid]

be more respectful toward other's people decisions.

Lol, sure. As soon as he stops writing ridiculously elitist essays telling everyone they're a bunch of fucking casuals for not following his asinine laws of gaming.

Get it right.

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

You should probably read the essay before accusing me.

Well I found it and read enough of it to be certain he is insane and possibly past the point of ever being curable but I'm not angry about it.

It's just a discussion on the subject Spork. I see people enjoying videogames every day on entirely their own terms, and it's liberating. I feel blessed to have found arcade communities alive and well, better than ever in-fact, and illustrating that videogames work best as a relaxing pastime.

My response was just a critique of a critique, and essays (it's not really an essay, but anyway) deserve critiquing. But yes, he's a raving lunatic, and now we know what the pursuit of Futari Ultra counterstop does to one's mind.

It reminded me of a Yagawa quote I had to look up to get right "When you can say you love shooting games, I get the sense you're no longer a normal person". I felt briefly insane after getting a 1CC on Ibara Kuro but it was nothing like this. He talks like he's a cult leader. He's gone from Jamestown to Jonestown.

[O. Van Bruce]

be more respectful toward other's people decisions.

Lol, sure. As soon as he stops writing ridiculously elitist essays telling everyone they're a bunch of fucking casuals for not following his asinine laws of gaming.

Get it right.

I had been called casual by him and that doesn't make me want to call him a lunatic.. Yeah, he may be extreme about that but it's just because he's passionate about shmups. Wether that's something to be praised or not; something worthy for his life he should decide it... as well as we decide to stay "casual".

In any case, just insulting other people won't get us anywhere.

[Skykid]

I had been called casual by him and that doesn't make me want to call him a lunatic.. Yeah, he may be extreme about that but it's just because he's passionate about shmups. Wether that's something to be praised or not; something worthy for his life he should decide it... as well as we decide to stay "casual".

In any case, just insulting other people won't get us anywhere.

O.Van, you should probably go back to sleep. When you wake up you might be able to get a handle on exaggerating for humorous effect. No-one actually thinks he's certifiable, we're just saying he rants like a nut.

[O. Van Bruce]

I had been called casual by him and that doesn't make me want to call him a lunatic.. Yeah, he may be extreme about that but it's just because he's passionate about shmups. Wether that's something to be praised or not; something worthy for his life he should decide it... as well as we decide to stay "casual".

In any case, just insulting other people won't get us anywhere.

O.Van, you should probably go back to sleep. When you wake up you might be able to get a handle on exaggerating for humorous effect. No-one actually thinks he's certifiable, we're just saying he rants like a nut.

It's 18:19 here! How do you expect me to go to sleep now?! I don't want to wake up at 3 A.M.

[Thorham]

I'm fine with being a dirty casual peasant, and don't have to be part of the hardcore Master Race. These elitists think that stuff like that actually matters

[TLB]

I'm fine with being a dirty casual peasant, and don't have to be part of the hardcore Masrer Race. These elitists think that stuff like that actually matters :roll:

It gets to be a fucking boring hobby when you're the only one playing a game with some kind of relatively serious goal in mind. Ask the Casino guys how much more fun it is with others involved.

[MrOldSchoolCool]

Hey guys, just want to thank you for all your opinions. It seems like the majority of people seem to endorse the "personal enjoyment" approach which makes sense.

I had one train of thought I posted that was never addressed, at least not directly

Bearing in mind that I've been into shmups about 3 months now, It was

"I just find this question interesting because a 1CC is far from being assumed of a player to be capable of, and so throwing the requirement for score on top of that stacks up to be QUITE the challenge. I mean, gamers who don't play shmups are impressed when they see you make it through half a stage without dying.

I think it's a little more compelling to go for score where the scoring system was a lot more thought out. Such as the Treasure games.

I like the idea that playing for score will help you in some way other than just allowing you to say "look at my score". Who cares? I look at score merely as a way to make the game more fun.

I'm glad whoever mentioned extends did so. I forgot about that and that is a really compelling reason to play for score. "

[Kollision]

I'm glad whoever mentioned extends did so. I forgot about that and that is a really compelling reason to play for score.

Sure, but what about the games with absolutely no extends?
Under Defeat, Giga Wing 1/2, Raystorm - all with considerably deep scoring systems!

[CloudyMusic]

Sure, but what about the games with absolutely no extends?

Or games with absurdly easy-to-get extends.

I like the idea that playing for score will help you in some way other than just allowing you to say "look at my score". Who cares? I look at score merely as a way to make the game more fun.

The feeling of personal improvement, and the reward of setting a tough goal for yourself and finally reaching it after lots of hard work. Running a five-minute mile doesn't have any significance in itself, either, aside from being able to say that you did it. If you were working hard towards that goal, though, you'll still feel really good when you finally accomplish it.

Being able to compete with and encourage others around the world as a means to push yourself to even loftier goals is an added bonus.

[MrOldSchoolCool]

I'm glad whoever mentioned extends did so. I forgot about that and that is a really compelling reason to play for score.

Sure, but what about the games with absolutely no extends?
Under Defeat, Giga Wing 1/2, Raystorm - all with considerably deep scoring systems!

I just meant that extends are something that can add to an incentive to go for score. Not that they are the only thing.

[Cagar]

I CAN'T believe that people are really offended by gus or his essay.
Skykid, I think that gus really hit you in the weak spot.
Remember: It's his life and lifestyle, it isn't any worse or better than yours.

[MrOldSchoolCool]

Sure, but what about the games with absolutely no extends?

Or games with absurdly easy-to-get extends.

I like the idea that playing for score will help you in some way other than just allowing you to say "look at my score". Who cares? I look at score merely as a way to make the game more fun.

The feeling of personal improvement, and the reward of setting a tough goal for yourself and finally reaching it after lots of hard work. Running a five-minute mile doesn't have any significance in itself, either, aside from being able to say that you did it. If you were working hard towards that goal, though, you'll still feel really good when you finally accomplish it.

Being able to compete with and encourage others around the world as a means to push yourself to even loftier goals is an added bonus.

I'd much rather be able to run a five-minute mile than achieve any video game accomplishment

[Icarus]

I CAN'T believe that people are really offended by gus or his essay.
Skykid, I think that gus really hit you in the weak spot.
Remember: It's his life and lifestyle, it isn't any worse or better than yours.

It's fine if it's his lifestyle.
It's not fine if he slates other people for not following it.