Is a 1CC worthless if you're not going for score?

[Cagar]

Should I be mad at Drake for trolling new people, or mad at people for falling to such obvious troll?
He's just joking.

Hobby's and sport are both for the purpose of entertainment.

But some forms of entertainment aren't/can't be sport.
EDIT: However I agree with you (and shmups11), not trying to start a fight or anything

[AntiFritz]

lmao @ people being unable to see the thick sarcasm in Drake's posts. C'mon, besides Gus and... Icycalm (?) who seriously thinks like that.

Icycalm hates playing for score though, he wrote a book about that.

[Despatche]

cool thanks

yes 1cc is worthless if you're not going for score

it only matters in games where there's no Crazy Scoring and even then you should try to shoot down everything you can

score is not worthless if you don't 1cc because score is the real progress, which is why a number of games don't even bother putting stage fields in their score tables

Don't pander to the elitism - enjoy games playing them them way you enjoy them be it score, survival, or just a mindless blast. Games are entertainment.

you're right but

elitism is cool

[ChainsawGuitarSP]

Icycalm hates playing for score though, he wrote a book about that.

Yeah, I wasn't sure of that myself since I only have vague second hand knowledge of him. Oh well, I guess I'm better off that way!

[Stevas]

lmao @ people being unable to see the thick sarcasm in Drake's posts. C'mon, besides Gus and... Icycalm (?) who seriously thinks like that.

Icycalm hates playing for score though, he wrote a book about that.

I... wait, what?

Like, an actual book?

[Bananamatic]

he's also a con artist nazi on the run from the police

[AntiFritz]

lmao @ people being unable to see the thick sarcasm in Drake's posts. C'mon, besides Gus and... Icycalm (?) who seriously thinks like that.

Icycalm hates playing for score though, he wrote a book about that.

I... wait, what?

Like, an actual book?

http://imgur.com/a/q6BUr#0

Appropriately titled "Why scoring sucks and those who defend it are aspies"

[Stevas]

Oh, I see... good one. I shoulda realised it was a windup. A book about playing for score. The very idea. Egg all over my face.

Edit: oh shit, it exists? Also: 343 GOD DAMN PAGES?

Okay, time to shut the internets down. I done seen everything.

[CStarFlare]

it only matters in games where there's no Crazy Scoring and even then you should try to shoot down everything you can

score is not worthless if you don't 1cc because score is the real progress, which is why a number of games don't even bother putting stage fields in their score tables

Very few modern games don't provide stage numbers. Most of the examples I can think of are old games without much of any scoring system, where it's generally possible to understand how far someone got just based on their score.

[system11]

Icycalm hates playing for score though, he wrote a book about that.

I... wait, what?

Like, an actual book?

http://imgur.com/a/q6BUr#0

Appropriately titled "Why scoring sucks and those who defend it are aspies"

He needs work on breaking his ranting down into smaller chunks of bile. Paragraphs. Perhaps he could trade in some italics and CAPS, plenty of those, to go around; and punctuation.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Should I be mad at Drake for trolling new people, or mad at people for falling to such obvious troll?

You should be amused by the butthurt responses. i mean jesus it was obvious

[Kollision]

Score is worthless if you don't 1CC.

Even though I'm for all kinds of fun with this hobby, I tend to agree with this.

I personally have a distaste for contrived and needlessly complex scoring mechanisms because mimicry bores me.

I think there's a limit to how far we're keen on dealing with scoring systems, and I think I just have met mine.

I love Mushihimesama, and recently I started playing Maniac on the 360. I was utterly frustrated when I did a little reading on how scoring works in this particular mode - unintuitive, tweak-based, insane button-jiggling, basically a wall to get into. I'll just try to clear and be done with it.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

I love Mushihimesama, and recently I started playing Maniac on the 360. I was utterly frustrated when I did a little reading on how scoring works in this particular mode - unintuitive, tweak-based, insane button-jiggling, basically a wall to get into. I'll just try to clear and be done with it.

I couldn't agree more - Mushi's need of tapping rapid shot, cashing in child counters, etc, feels very unintuitive and not much fun, I much prefer it when I care little about my score. I'm thinking Futari 1.5 Maniac is the same way. The counter seems to be impossible to keep in the red because it only goes up every time you score a kill it seems (compared to BL Maniac/God where the counter goes up just for hitting enemies with rapid, thus are much easier to get into scoring and more fun in general).

At the end of the day, if you're not having fun, then you should be playing it however you want, regardless of what anyone else says. Though once you do get into the thick of a good score system it is very fun.

He needs work on breaking his ranting down into smaller chunks of bile. Paragraphs. Perhaps he could trade in some italics and CAPS, plenty of those, to go around; and punctuation.

I remember reading it a while ago; it reads like an angry imbecile decided to rant about things he clearly doesn't understand and thus hates. Someone that idiotic shouldn't be name-calling people in the title when the term 'aspie' could easily apply to him.

[ancestral-knowledge]

A 1CC is definitely not worthless if not playing for score. Most of the time STGs are pretty tough so why should a clear be wortless. To tell you the truth i would feel worthless if i had a good score but would not be able to reach the last stage of a game. I would get the feeling that i am "missing out". An abstract stupid number in the upper right/left corner is not enough to get me going on forever.


PS: the book is pretty good

[MintyTheCat]

barring a Brain-Transplant: how can you attain the Achievment of 1CC for Score without first completing a Shmup without dying? So you cannot do it for Score until you can complete a Shmup in its entirety without dying - so yes, it does have Value as you cannot have the 1CC for Score until you've made it for the Duration - do that makes to you?

[Erppo]

Score is worthless if you don't 1CC.

Even though I'm for all kinds of fun with this hobby, I tend to agree with this.

I guess you cannot do anything worthwhile in games with infinite loops then.

[Wonderbanana]

To tell you the truth i would feel worthless if i had a good score but would not be able to reach the last stage of a game. I would get the feeling that i am "missing out".

Why?

This thread seems to generalise too much.

Loads of the high scores on the boards here show people with high scores who didn't clear the game, others with lower scores who did.

This thread is pointless. I mean worthless to who exactly? If you are happy with a 1CC then who cares what anyone else thinks, same with playing for score or credit feeding or competition.

Ultimately there is no right way to play a shmup no matter what anyone says, all that matters is you enjoy it.

[Jeneki]

Depends on the game. Here's a breakdown:

1) I get the 1cc. Great! Awesome! A real accomplishment.

2) I can't get a 1cc, but I've figured out how to score decently. Great! Awesome! A real accomplishment.

3) Someone else gets a 1cc. Stupid n00b, l2score or go back to Halololololz!

4) Someone else gets a high score. No 1cc? You fail it! Why don't you try hard?

5) Somone else gets a 1cc while scoring well. OMG HAX! BAN PLZ!

[Skykid]

PS: the book is pretty good

First five PAGES SAY IT'S a complete barrel of pointless, BADLY WRITTEN bullshit.

I'd rather dissect my own member with a set of rusty hairpins than read three-hundred pages of that drivel.

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

Score is worthless if you don't 1CC.

Even though I'm for all kinds of fun with this hobby, I tend to agree with this.

I guess you cannot do anything worthwhile in games with infinite loops then.

Obviously I'm just talking about games that are possible to clear.

[CloudyMusic]

Like many others have said, do what's most fun for you. If someone on the internet wants to make you feel bad about your own accomplishments, forget them.

My personal opinion is that score is score, though. Clearing the game will always lead to the potential for a higher score than if you had not, but I don't agree with the notion that a high-scoring run that happens to not clear the game (because of more risky play in order to score, etc) is any less impressive. Others are likewise entitled to their own opinions, of course.

[chempop]

Don't pander to the elitism - enjoy games playing them them way you enjoy them be it score, survival, or just a mindless blast. Games are entertainment.

That might work for you, but many here enjoy this form of entertainment even more once their skills increase to high-score and 1CC runs.

I suggest you re-read what he posted.

...it was late at night...

System11 suggests to play however you enjoy, be it score, survival, or mindless blast. 3 independent methods...

I suggest a forth way: playing high-score and 1CC runs (at the same time). All I meant to imply was the value of playing for both simultaneously, I didn't phrase it very well.

[Udderdude]

Pretty sure the only guys around here arguing for real that 1cc's have all sorts of restrictions on them to be "legit" have left, changed their opinion or burned out years ago.

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

A vanilla Dariusburst 1CC SP feels pretty worthless - as would a Xenon II WR. It can depend on the game.

[Paradigm]

You got it backwards. Score is worthless if you don't 1CC.

Yeah, that Futari Ultra counter-stop by Gus is worthless. Definitely not one of the greatest feats by a Western player, no, it is in fact worthless.

Your SDOJ clear on the other hand is super impressive, well done.

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

lolwut, obviously I'm talking about in general shooters where a clear is possible. Where it's possible to beat a game, you can beat the game or the game beats you, that's just how I see it. Can't believe you guys brought up games that don't have endings and counterstop bugs. Wow.

[dan76]

You got it backwards. Score is worthless if you don't 1CC.

This.

It relates to playing arcade games, which my personal favourite shmups are. The idea is to stay on the machine for as long as possible spending the least amount of money - so a 1cc is really beating the machine. It's designed to steal your cash (unless it's DFK).

At Casino when we've had meets etc. whenever anyone gets a 1cc there is generally a cheer or even some clapping going on. If someone gets a personal best - who knows or really cares?

Plus, in that doc about shmups some Ketsui God says that he ignores scoring until he get the 1cc.

Of course it has worth.

[Chaos Phoenixma]

Of course, that's also referring to Arcadia where for example a 4 million score 1cc would be considered a record over a higher scoring run that doesn't 1cc. So for Arcadia they value 1cc + score, followed by 1cc, followed by score.

Of course most games are cleared quickly.

[Drake]

3x DESTROYED AT A TIME!
took one post to impulsively bring out the weeaboo card 2x COMBO IT'S A NEW WESTERN RECORD

[Bananamatic]

2x COMBO IT'S A NEW WESTERN RECORD

not even a 1cc, why did you bother posting