What UK Power Supply Unit Needed to Power XRGB3 in The UK

[Lawfer]

What voltage do the US use?

[Lawfer]

produced for use in Japan exlusively.

Thats racist.

[Fudoh]

around 115V at 60Hz.

Thats racist.

in case of my LD player: people outside Japan just weren't ready.

[Lawfer]

So why should this be a problem with japanese equipment used in the US?
I used my japanese Playstation 2 in the US by simply plugging it and never had a problem.

I have the feeling you're reading only half of the postings....

You're not supposed to have any problems. Nobody will. But there's a difference between plugging in a toy like a PS2, which is used all around the world and has a multi-current PSU anyway and plugging in several thousand $$/EUR expensive high-end gear which was produced for use in Japan exlusively.

But you are right, I just checked the AC power for a japan-onry External Hardrive and it only says 100V 50/60Hz, which is unlike US equipments that says 100~120V. Japanese exclusionism and exclusivism? Racist!

For proof, each Cave game on Xbox 360 says "For Japan Onry", a boycott is in order.

[Lawfer]

around 115V at 60Hz.

So if I use a 110=>220, 220=>110 converter, is that bad for US equipment?

[Fudoh]

unless you live in a cave and produce your own power, your outlets have 230V - as said, the same all over Europe.

If you use a standard stepdown converter, it's a 2:1 divider circuit, so your output will be 115V. And that's perfectly fine for all US equipment. 50Hz vs. 60Hz is just a problem on DC-coupled mechanical equipment like drilling machines or old LP players.

[Lawfer]

unless you live in a cave and produce your own power, your outlets have 230V - as said, the same all over Europe.

If you use a standard stepdown converter, it's a 2:1 divider circuit, so your output will be 115V. And that's perfectly fine for all US equipment. 50Hz vs. 60Hz is just a problem on DC-coupled mechanical equipment like drilling machines or old LP players.

So that is no problem for US consoles, TVs etc. then? Great. Yeah then I can see how that would be a problem for Japanese stuff, since it would be 15V above and japan does not offer the 100~120V norm, unlike the US.

By the way, alot of equipment in the US since 2003 I think, allow 100 to 240 Volts.

[Ed Oscuro]

Japan is right at 100V, which will be within the tolerance range of most machines, but perhaps not all. It's pretty standard for devices to be made to handle it (don't know the exact details, but a bridge diode can be built in a way that integrates a transformer). US voltages often aren't 120V at the outlet, but lower, and can get lower along a cable.

PC power supplies have had 120/240V switches for a long time, much longer ago than 2003. Don't see it terribly often on other things but keep an eye out for that little recessed red switch.

[Lawfer]

So if I hook up a US TV that requires 120V to my 220=>110 converter what would happen? Would that damage it?

[Ed Oscuro]

110V is actually shorthand for US voltage due to line drop. Just make sure it has enough capacity I'd say.

[Lawfer]

110V is actually shorthand for US voltage due to line drop.

Pls explain.

Just make sure it has enough capacity I'd say.

What capacity? The converter I plan on using is one that can be connected to equipments that require up to 1000Watts, is that what you are refering to?

[Lawfer]

I use that for my consoles:



http://www.lianlong.com.cn/cw/gsol/pex/ ... prod_idx=1

Is it good for a US TV produced for use in the US exclusively (unlike most other US products it does not say "100~120V", it just says "120V") or should I buy something else to be on the safe side?

[Fudoh]

Why are dragging this thread along with the same question(s) over and over again ?

[Lawfer]

Why are dragging this thread along with the same question(s) over and over again ? That's a perfecly fine stepdown converter, which will suit all your import goods just fine.

Shouldnt I get one of these instead?

http://jr-international.fr/converter-el ... glish.html

http://jr-international.fr/converter-el ... glish.html

They are way more expensive than the other model and expensive = good.

[Fudoh]

Not a good idea. All the transformers still rely on the base voltage supplied by your outlet and strictly divide it by two. Also the 50Hz sinus rythm remain on the output, so you will end with some crummy 115V50Hz signal which doesn't really resemble what your US or japanese equipment requires.

The only *proper* way is to completely regenerate the whole signal by using a power generating machine. There're nice units available for higher end home theater equipment, but it should match your toys just as fine. A small one with 750W output is available from PSAudio, the P3 Power Plant http://www.psaudio.com/shop/p3-power-plant/

[Lawfer]

Not a good idea. All the transformers still rely on the base voltage supplied by your outlet and strictly divide it by two. Also the 50Hz sinus rythm remain on the output, so you will end with some crummy 115V50Hz signal which doesn't really resemble what your US or japanese equipment requires.

The only *proper* way is to completely regenerate the whole signal by using a power generating machine. There're nice units available for higher end home theater equipment, but it should match your toys just as fine. A small one with 750W output is available from PSAudio, the P3 Power Plant http://www.psaudio.com/shop/p3-power-plant/

For my European TV, Audio equipment and NTSC consoles to converter, I plug them all on a Belkin PF50. But thanks, I did hear good things about PSAudio, is that what you use for your japanese LD?

So I just plug NTSC equipment directly into that and I wont be needed to use stepdowns anymore?

[Fudoh]

So I just plug NTSC equipment directly into that and I wont be needed to use stepdowns anymore?

yes, that's right.

And no, for my LD player I "only" use a power conditioner > 2:1 stepdown > 120-100V stepdown.

[Lawfer]

So I just plug NTSC equipment directly into that and I wont be needed to use stepdowns anymore?

yes, that's right.

And no, for my LD player I "only" use a power conditioner > 2:1 stepdown > 120-100V stepdown.

Thanks a bunch, one last question, you linked me to PSAudio website, but does that mean that should I import that:



Or get that from Germany:



?

[Fudoh]

You would want one with US-type outputs, but with 230V input. Those are available on request - I inquired about one of those sometime ago.

[Lawfer]

You would want one with US-type outputs, but with 230V input. Those are available on request - I inquired about one of those sometime ago.

Thanks, I will send them an email right now.

[kamiboy]

By deuce, the things one can spend exorbitant sums on.

When I move back to Europe later this year I'll be taking all my electronics with me, including a mid range Denon receiver and 52" LCD.

I'll be running them off of a ~$100-200 2000W step down converter. If I had to spend over $2000 for just a stepdown I'd rather sell them and buy new domestic equipment on the other side.

[Lawfer]

When I move back to Europe later this year I'll be taking all my electronics with me, including a mid range Denon receiver and 52" LCD.

Please dont, if one gets electrocuted here they will die and we are probably stuck forever with 50Hz. The only positive thing here is that we can play Shadow of the Beast on Megadrive in native 50Hz with Scart RGB.

buy new domestic equipment on the other side.

220~240V 50Hz = Untermensch.

[Lawfer]

I'll be running them off of a ~$100-200 2000W step down converter.

Step down converters wont do any good, they will lower the voltage but you will still get stuck with the original Zeropean inferior 50Hz, you need a Power Plant to get the 120V 60Hz in its full unaltered glory and play NTSC games the way they were intended to be played.

[kel]

Step down converters wont do any good, they will lower the voltage but you will still get stuck with the original Zeropean inferior 50Hz, you need a Power Plant to get the 120V 60Hz in its full unaltered glory and play NTSC games the way they were intended to be played.

I think that you are really confusing yourself regarding the relation between 50/60hz power supply and 50/60hz TV refresh rates. They have little or no practical relation to each other at all.

[kamiboy]

Indeed. Use NTSC equipment in Europe using any kind of stepdown converter wont change the 60 hz NTSC video signal that they put out in any way form or shape.

In fact most TV's made in Europe, even older CRT TV's support both PAL and NTSC signals so you can just hook up your systems with no worries.

Now try to find a consumer TV in NTSC land that also accepts PAL, it is impossible. While you are at it try searching for consumer CRT TV's in NTSC land with RGB or even component inputs. They were a rare sight compared to Europe where RGB SCART was more or less a standard.

Secondly PAL with its better colour processing and more lines of resolution was not in any way inferior to NTSC. Problem was the two main markets of home consoles, Japan and North America were both NTSC and most home consoles and games were developed in Japan for the domestic market first and foremost.

To reprogram games to take full advantage of PAL and run at the correct speed was too much work for a region that was always a distant third priority. So the conversion was done using a hardware solution that resulted in games having black borders and running slower. It didn't have to be that way, they just chose the cheapest solution.

Of course there are examples of the opposite as well, such as games for the Amiga 500 which owed its success mainly to the European market.

Anywaste, don't go spending a lot of money before you've educated yourself on what you are actually buying.

[Lawfer]

In fact most TV's made in Europe, even older CRT TV's support both PAL and NTSC signals so you can just hook up your systems with no worries.

Only a few select models did. First they didnt have any composite and second even if you used accesories to go from composite to scart to be able to hook it up, the picture would probably had come out black and white or worse.

Now try to find a consumer TV in NTSC land that also accepts PAL, it is impossible. While you are at it try searching for consumer CRT TV's in NTSC land with RGB or even component inputs. They were a rare sight compared to Europe where RGB SCART was more or less a standard.

No I am well aware that while some select models in Europe did have composite as well as scart, none of this was available in the US, especially not scart.

By the way which models in the US and/or Japan had scart?

Secondly PAL with its better colour processing and more lines of resolution was not in any way inferior to NTSC.

What about SECAM?

Problem was the two main markets of home consoles, Japan and North America were both NTSC and most home consoles and games were developed in Japan for the domestic market first and foremost.

So all in all, it is still inferior to the original product.

To reprogram games to take full advantage of PAL and run at the correct speed was too much work for a region that was always a distant third priority. So the conversion was done using a hardware solution that resulted in games having black borders and running slower. It didn't have to be that way, they just chose the cheapest solution.

Of course there are examples of the opposite as well, such as games for the Amiga 500 which owed its success mainly to the European market.

Europeans got their just revenge for once:

The Sega Genesis port (of Shadow of the Beast) is considered by some to be one of the hardest video games of all time. This is due to a sloppy conversion; the original had a 50Hz refresh rate, but all Sega Genesis games had to have a 60Hz refresh rate due to being made for NTSC televisions. Accordingly, the conversion team increased the refresh rate to 60Hz, but did not change the amount of time each frame remained on screen, making it run 16.7% faster than the original.

Anywaste, don't go spending a lot of money before you've educated yourself on what you are actually buying.

Who would dare doubt the words of Heilige Fudoh?

[kamiboy]

Too bad Shadow of the Beast is kusoge in my opinion. Then again I have a general distaste for western developed games.

[Lawfer]

Too bad Shadow of the Beast is kusoge in my opinion. Then again I have a general distaste for western developed games.

You prefer Alesia Dragoon I suppose?

[kamiboy]

Never heard of that one. As far as good games with PAL optimized ports to European hardware is concerned I prefer Alien Soldier.

It is even overseas exclusive to PAL regions.

[Lawfer]

Never heard of that one.

BLASPHEMY!

You know Grandia? Well those are the guys who did it.

Enjoy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321091512489