Prejudice on Shmupsforum

[O. Van Bruce]

*sigh*

just read my posts completely... how many times have I refered to what the zionists specifically do?

And it's obvious there are other lobbies and some of then do terrible things but does that mean we shouldn't fight then? I'm specially disgusted of the attitude of the Jewish state because it represents the worst part of imperialism and the cynism of diplomacy.

But yeah, I shouldn't focus on then, just because they are jews. that would be racist...

[GaijinPunch]

When that lobby is used to defend crimes against humanity, state terrorism and, to make it worst, point at anyone who dennounce then by saying he's a fascist/anti-semite then it really is a problem.

Just think of how much money the U.S. goverment invests on the security of Israel and how little they care about the Palestinians.

Not a great argument. Anybody could say the US simply commits acts against humanity on their own.

Hell, I'm sure if that jewish lobby wasn't there the USA would have voted yes for this. Maybe, Palestine would be a normal state right now if it wasn't for that lobby.

Maybe, but probably not. Until the Palestinians (radicals or not) clean up their image, the US is probably not going to vote that way.

[O. Van Bruce]

do you really think U.S. politicians would give a damm about a scrap of land on the middle east if their campaign funding and support wouldn't depend strongly on the zionist lobby?

I'd comprehend it if the state of Israel was a vital ally but it isn't: Turkey and the Persian gulf monarchies have enough US bases to keep Iran and Siria controlled.

[system11]

do you really think U.S. politicians would give a damm about a scrap of land on the middle east if their campaign funding and support wouldn't depend strongly on the zionist lobby?

I'd comprehend it if the state of Israel was a vital ally but it isn't: Turkey and the Persian gulf monarchies have enough US bases to keep Iran and Siria controlled.

http://rt.com/news/Israel-oil-extractio ... ights-222/

[Ed Oscuro]

Well, don't forget that there are two kinds of "zionist" (ignoring the historical usage which I think is distinct from a completely uncritical pro-Israel stance, but that is very important also so that the name of zion isn't unfairly maligned): Hardliner Israeli politicians, and hardliners outside Israel, who call themselves friends of Israel. Like any other nation, there exist a spectrum of feelings in Israel about their national policies and many people - at least quite close to a plurality if not a majority - do not care for the ultra-hardline view, and probably are not thankful for the meddling of Americans (and others) in the region as regards pushing the so-called pro-Israel stance. This is not to say that they have no worries about Palestine, but it also doesn't mean that they love the settlers, who often call even fellow Israelis Nazis and basically act like the extreme right-wing gun toting frontiersmen of America might act if they were transplanted into a tiny area where they were on disputed lands (i.e., stolen land, I think it's fair to say).

[cj iwakura]

if someone's offended, it's not appropriate.

Heh, good luck not offending people on the internet. Yes, we should all try harder to not be purposefully offensive, but almost anything said has the potential to offend someone.
-ud

Oh, of course. Im pretty thick-skinned, only word I personally hate being called is a weeaboo.
(Just has a negative connotation I'm not fond of)


That said, I've got friends who are black, gay, and sometimes both, so I go out of my way to avoid the n and f bombs, because I know they have some very unpleasant connections to a lot of people(with good reason).

[trap15]

I knew a flamboyantly gay black guy in high school. Dude was a fucking riot

[casualcoder]

This thread is so getting closed. I use the term 'gay' in my personal and business life too often.
When I get errors in Windows 7 or Office I call it 'gay'. I really shouldn't do it.

I'm gay, and it's not that big of a deal, really. It's the sort of thing that'll change in a few generations anyways as language constantly keeps evolving (like how I'm an atheist too yet I constantly keep using "oh my God", it's an ingrained thing I guess). It's like how 'queer' can actually have a derogatory or positive connotation depending on who/how it's used. I think it's important to keep in mind the intent of language is just as relevant as the language being used.

It's interesting because the term "gay" was an appropriation by gay people of an old term which was obviously a positive. "Gay" meant "happy". And look, now even homophobes use that term. So that's a bit of a linguistic victory, and as you say, as time goes on it becomes ingrained.

Which reminds me that a few years back Hitchence, Dennett, and Dawkins wanted to use the same type of term appropriation for atheists (for some reason, still carries a negative connotation for some) by using the word "brights" instead. It never caught on. Maybe because atheists are generally quite bright and find it an insult to their intelligence to have to change the term for the benefit of others.

Or, you can take the other angle. Reclaiming a pejorative term and calling it your own. Thats what "queer" originally was but now you have shows like "queer eye for a straight guy" and it lost its impact. Some may say black people have done the same with the world "nigger" but it will take a long time to erase the negative association of that term considering its violent origin.

[Ed Oscuro]

Some may say black people have done the same with the world "nigger" but it will take a long time to erase the negative association of that term considering its violent origin.

Also, the continuing association of the word with subjugation (if only in the form of peer pressure) and violence, even when used by black people.

[BPzeBanshee]

You know, I was going to write a detailed post bringing in examples of my local social issues, own past actions and resolutions, and what I learned from it.

Unfortunately the mere mention of a specific race in my local area seems to get certain member's knickers in a knot, I don't actually want to *try* to offend people, and frankly the "autism" spamming shit is rather 4chanlike and annoying (even more so when they can't even spell and have been warned to quit it at least twice), so I'll just say that I agree with drauch:

Or learn how to write on a forum without acting like you're twelve.

Regarding gif posters etc, I agree it should be cut down on, but I'd like to point out that regarding this bit -

There are a lot of older members here, and we don't want you messing up our lawn.

- that not only have "new members" done this before, but I myself done this in the past, and pretty much every frequent member here including some from the pre-2005 Shmups Forum have also done this, so it's a bit unfair to say it like the "older members" are somehow less at fault than the newcomers or immune to such behaviour. If this is going to get added to the official rules as a reference for future bans I respectfully don't want to see it set in stone with that kind of room for bias.

[O. Van Bruce]

do you really think U.S. politicians would give a damm about a scrap of land on the middle east if their campaign funding and support wouldn't depend strongly on the zionist lobby?

I'd comprehend it if the state of Israel was a vital ally but it isn't: Turkey and the Persian gulf monarchies have enough US bases to keep Iran and Siria controlled.

http://rt.com/news/Israel-oil-extractio ... ights-222/

We're having oil drilling in my country too. Am I uber strategic place yet? can I be safe from the USA?

[DEL]

Oh what the hELl, I may as well post something interesting I stumbled across the other day on the Kabbalah site:



http://www.tv.kabbalah.info/video/20-id ... 9t-all-bad

Listen at 1:18
So you can see exactly where this nwo ideal is coming from The Kabbalah.

This Kabbalah site also has a video promoting Globalization.
Globalization creates a monopoly. A dictatorship is a monopoly for example.

Read the final words underneath the video:

Any country that does not follow the law of nature and adopt a common set of economic rules respecting interdependency will fall.

In plain English -> go along with our one world order control plan or you will be made to fall. (like Chavez for example). He even mentions Chavez in his next line

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Now I'm just linking something here. Just posting up something that actually exists.

[O. Van Bruce]

same "We are the superior beings" bullshit you hear from the american zionists...

from this guys come the "good Goyim" and "merchant is my greatest ally" memes. Disturbing in some sense because they actually have the power to influence us and our institutions. One should really ask if they can influence international organizations.

[Subterranean Sun]

what i dont get is black people call each other niggers and when some one who's not black calls a black the same, all hell breaks loose...

Why would that be difficult to understand? By subjecting youself to your own insult, you're implying that you're just kidding around, or at least isn't seriously trying to offend the subjects of said insult.

To OP: I think part of the problem is caused by the fact that many people here aren't native english speakers, and as such, do not fully realize the offensive nature of certain terms. I used to use the word "fag" on the internet quite often (including on this forum), not because I was homophobic, but because I didn't realize how offensive this word really is. Now I use the word much less often. I believe that OVB (and many other people) has made the same mistake as me.

[nasty_wolverine]

what i dont get is black people call each other niggers and when some one who's not black calls a black the same, all hell breaks loose...

Why would that be difficult to understand? By subjecting youself to your own insult, you're implying that you're just kidding around, or at least isn't seriously trying to offend the subjects of said insult.

You do realize its not the words that make an insult, its the intent of those words... I live in a place where we are not racists but regionalists, we hate even our own countrymen, sure there are political and other agenda's to split us up into smaller countries (every region wants there state to be a country), but if you really look at it, the common people get along very well, we call each other something like niggers, but never intend to insult, thats always understood, and there is never any problem.

Did I mention we got a ton of black(african) people here in india too???

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Which reminds me that a few years back Hitchence, Dennett, and Dawkins wanted to use the same type of term appropriation for atheists (for some reason, still carries a negative connotation for some) by using the word "brights" instead. It never caught on. Maybe because atheists are generally quite bright and find it an insult to their intelligence to have to change the term for the benefit of others.

This was a really dumbass idea, honestly. The reason it probably never caught on is because calling yourself 'brights' carries an unstated assumption of 'better than thou' or 'smarter than you cause I got no religion'. Not really good for one's image to go undermining your own humility, and it would only bolster an 'us vs them' mentality when it came to religious folk.

[system11]

It was a figure of speech and a little joke, don't read too much into it.

[idchappy]

The world needs more love

[psoslayer]

Acquire thick skin. Problem solved.

lol yeah sure... and then our skin gets thicker, thicker and thicker until we're at neo-geo.com

[mesh control]

Has anyone here ever put a gun in their mouth?

[Temia Eszteri]

I believe that OVB (and many other people) has made the same mistake as me.

The way OVB is starting to sound in this page of the thread, I'm not sure it's just a lack of thought put into the terms...

[Skykid]

Has anyone here ever put a gun in their mouth?

An odd fellow thou art, but entertaining nonetheless. Just remember, it's better to put a gun in someone else's mouth rather than your own.

And thus is was spake.

[nasty_wolverine]

Has anyone here ever put a gun in their mouth?

Reminds me of the beatles song "Happyness is a warm gun"...

[casualcoder]

Which reminds me that a few years back Hitchence, Dennett, and Dawkins wanted to use the same type of term appropriation for atheists (for some reason, still carries a negative connotation for some) by using the word "brights" instead. It never caught on. Maybe because atheists are generally quite bright and find it an insult to their intelligence to have to change the term for the benefit of others.

This was a really dumbass idea, honestly. The reason it probably never caught on is because calling yourself 'brights' carries an unstated assumption of 'better than thou' or 'smarter than you cause I got no religion'. Not really good for one's image to go undermining your own humility, and it would only bolster an 'us vs them' mentality when it came to religious folk.

It does come off as a bit arrogant but it's not as obvious as it may appear why that is the case. I think Dawkins addressed this and said that it's a result of insecurity amongst believers who consider themselves less intelligent (which could well be true).

His reasoning was that Gays call themselves "gay" but the rest of us don't take take offense to that, as if it were an implication that the rest of us are somehow the opposite or "unhappy". And when you think about it, it is a descriptive term which focuses on a positive trait (atheists, do afterall seem to abound in the sciences, universities and other places where you expect to see "bright" people) which doesn't exclude other groups from being called bright. I think Dawkins suggest that much as non-gay people chose an equally positive term in response ("straight") believers can then make a positive term to describe themselves in response (I think it was "supers" because they believe in supernatural events).

I think the real trouble might be that it would appropriate the word entirely. Back when people liked to say "I'm so gay" to state how happy they were it may have appeared unfortunate and embarrassing to one day realize you are not saying the same thing as you used to by stating that phrase. The same would eventually happen to "bright" if it were picked up in such a way.

Since a lot of people from diverse backgrounds like to consider themselves bright, I think it appears arrogant to "take" the word from their vocabulary (rather than actually imply that others are the opposite of "bright").

[casualcoder]

Has anyone here ever put a gun in their mouth?

Yeah. Once I couldn't find a toothpick and it was the only thing I had that seemed to do the trick.

[jonny5]

Has anyone here ever put a gun in their mouth?

Dude, if you are that unhappy with your life, perhaps make changes to improve things for yourself, or seek professional help rather than posting silly shit like this on internet forums for attention. You do this far to often, you've been doing it as long as you have been here. Seriously.

[GaijinPunch]

The world needs more love

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[louisg]

Has anyone here ever put a gun in their mouth?

Dude, if you are that unhappy with your life, perhaps make changes to improve things for yourself, or seek professional help rather than posting silly shit like this on internet forums for attention. You do this far to often, you've been doing it as long as you have been here. Seriously.

I also want to emphasize that the internet is the worst possible place to seek any kind of reinforcement if you're depressed. It's almost completely depersonalized. Mesh, if you're serious and not just messing around, you should probably find someone to talk to.

[casualcoder]

I don't know how this became a suicide prevention hotline but if you're looking to the Internet to clarify the futitility of transient suicidal tendencies, this link is as good as any:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmNApZRy3wk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[jonny5]

I don't know how this became a suicide prevention hotline but if you're looking to the Internet to clarify the futitility of transient suicidal tendencies, this link is as good as any:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmNApZRy3wk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

You've been posting here less than a year so you are probably not aware of Mesh's long term posting habits. He makes these kinds of posts fairly regularly, and occasionally I respond as I did above.

Sorry for the OT. I just don't want to be the guy that looked right past a plea for help and said or did nothing to help steer them in the right direction. Sometimes it takes a slap in the face from a stranger to make you sit back and take stock.