Prejudice on Shmupsforum

[rancor]

No matter how cool or funny you think you are, if someone's offended, it's not appropriate.

I'm offended by the fact you think we're all thin-skinned pansies that can't handle slightly-edged humor/jabs.

[exquisite_torture]

I don't really post here and doubt I ever really will (280 posts in 6 years), so a ban is no skin off my nose and the relevant thread's closed.
As I can't post in it, I'll post in this travesty of a thread instead.
I am as much of an anti-semite as Norman Finklestein, or Noam Chomsky (both Jews, both hated by racist irrational Jew Zionists) both of which I greatly admire. It seems to be standard operating procedure for Jewish Zionists and their sympathisers (usually anyone with a relative in Israel) to label anyone an anti-semite simply for discussing the possibility of banks being at the heart of the world's woes, because it's understood that banking is largely a Jewish controlled industry and it's a theory shared by anti-semite white supremicists and holocaust deniers. Of which I might ad, am neither.
Moniker's behaviour was typical of the irrational ADL Zionist sympathiser, so I called him on it. If it turns out he's neither Jewish or a Zionist sympathiser, then I apologise (it is interesting and odd, odd to me at least, in the pope thread where he asserts that someone's Jesuit status is somehow a barometer of their intelligence).
These people turn up at John Pilger or Noam Chomsky or Norman Finklestein lectures protesting like idiots, so I have experience of these people - they're nutters who simply can't be reasoned with while they equate you to Hitler.
I abhor Hitler, but I'm a realist - there have been many worse than he with much higher kill counts.
I'm not an anti-semite, but I refuse to recognise Israel. Israel is an extreme force for negativity in the world, a fact which deserves to be highlighted at every opportunity. What I have noticed any time these subjects are discussed is the irrational behaviour of Zionist sympathisers or when Israel's disgraceful racist behaviour towards Palestine is questioned or towards any criticism of Jews or the behaviour of their elected representatives. It's doesn't wash any longer, Israel's recent attacks on its neighbour and the treatment of charity aid ships changed the game somewhat for the rest of the world's perception of it. To quote Norman Finklestein "Israel is a lunatic state."
It's a shame that some people didn't actually read any of my contribution to the thread and automatically assumed that I shared the same views of DEL for simply not acting like a brainwashed Pavlovian moron when anything that fits a "conspiracy theory" is discussed and begin flapping irrationally like a stupid fucktard. The fact is, I actually broke the entire "Zionist Banking Conspiracy" down and explained why no-one should swallow what they're told about it, wholesale. I only posted some of the evidence of this conspiracy that can actually be proven, but as per usual the elitist internet hero is superior and better informed. Ad Hominem attacks designed only to fuel your own ego and undermine 'your opponent' don't fly. Honestly, give some a PhD and they disappear up their own arse (I'm assuming the two fuckwits concerned both have PhDs, because if you don't, shut your fucking trap - you're no more educated than I am). I'm assuming everyone's educated here, so try and be a little less of a condescending twerp. You only betray your true self as the internet bully who's often the bullied IRL, who retreats to the internet in an effort make themselves feel better. Also, everyone in this thread calm the fuck down and get a grip. It's just another demonstration of the irrationality of some, there's no prejudice here.

[D]

This thread is so getting closed. I use the term 'gay' in my personal and business life too often.
When I get errors in Windows 7 or Office I call it 'gay'. I really shouldn't do it.
I cannot find a better insult. I'll stop doing that. It offends not only gay people, but also people that have gay friends/relatives.
That and this thread is getting so closed, the admins are on the verge.
Indeed, keep it civil everybody. Try not to offend anyone. That way, you'll show intelligence and adulthood.
I used to call my brother 'gay'. Then he started to cry. I was such an asshole.
Feels really good to relief and come clean. Forgiveth my soul oh holy father.

[Ghegs]

Just think about how Gus talked on shmups chat... once you know him you'll know he's not doing it to offend: that's just the way he is.

Just think about how Gus doesn't post on Shmups Chat anymore.

learn how to write on a forum without acting like you're twelve.

A short and excellent guide to everyone.

[exquisite_torture]

Can we get the Timmy Osman thread re-opened?

[louisg]

Moniker's behaviour was typical of the irrational ADL Zionist sympathiser, so I called him on it. If it turns out he's neither Jewish or a Zionist sympathiser, then I apologise

Haha so if he were Jewish, it would have somehow proven your point? You've tipped your hand again, you racist piece of trash. But now you pretty much have your own thread, so congratulations.

Can we get the Timmy Osman thread re-opened?

Can we get you to STFU?

[exquisite_torture]

How exactly? He seems to have taken offence to the word Zionist. Why? You seem to have a comprehension issue.

[cj iwakura]

No matter how cool or funny you think you are, if someone's offended, it's not appropriate.

I'm offended by the fact you think we're all thin-skinned pansies that can't handle slightly-edged humor/jabs.

I said no such thing, but I do think that if someone here doesn't take kindly to it, it isn't proper.

[system11]

After reading much of this thread, I will break my reply down into a series of bullet points otherwise we'll end up with a two page long post, so - to summarise:

*) "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

*) Racial slurs and insults, homophobic slang and similar 'hate speech', and outright offensiveness is not allowed. Do remember that things are not offensive simply because you disagree with them, it's when they're intended or primarily going to result in offense being taken by a majority of reasonable people.

*) Unpopular political views and ideas are just that - by silencing peoples voices you're not protecting the world from them (and who are you to say that it /needs/ protecting?), you're just being a fascist. I have absolutely no time at all for people who think that someone shouldn't be allowed to say something just because it goes against their ideals. There's a solution for that - if you don't want to argue for your case or against theirs, don't join the conversation. If their views upset you, don't read the posts. An excellent example of this was the recent thread where one of our members expressed his somewhat strong right wing views, and many people disagreed with them. To any reader it was obvious what the prevailing opinion was, whether you agreed with it or not. That's how discussions work, that's why they matter, and that's why I will not entertain silencing people.

*) That being said, anything which is illegal to say in the UK (which is a growing and insidious trend), isn't allowed here by extension.

*) 4chanism really has to stop - that includes posting dumb image responses which are then quoted ad nauseum. This is along the lines of 'please don't act like you're 12'. There are a lot of older members here, and we don't want you messing up our lawn.

*) Do not fuck up threads by carrying arguments from one into another. If a poster you disagree with on an idealogical level is making a post about something *entirely unrelated*, you are not entitled to then go on the attack and derail the thread.

*) I'm going to start temporarily banning people who post junk in threads with the intention of getting them locked. If you think there's a genuine reason for a thread to be locked and it hasn't been picked up, report it - that's what the feature is for.

I'd like to thank all the people who do grasp these concepts of what is and isn't acceptable within off topic discussion. I'd hate to have to change the way things are currently working, off topic sometimes throws up some genuinely good reading. Of course since I started writing this, I see an example of something unacceptable has been posted. Sigh.

[exquisite_torture]

For clarity, here's Zionist and liar Alan Dershowitz. Being anti-Zionist doesn't equate to being anti-Jew. It's their behaviour I take exception to, just as I take exception to Obama's CIA and Drone activity. Does that make me racist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO2-eZ-1WA8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ERbPzpoXw

[Skykid]

Bravo System11, a round of applause for that.

I elect actually adding that somewhere in the forum's general rules and conduct?

*) 4chanism really has to stop - that includes posting dumb image responses which are then quoted ad nauseum. This is along the lines of 'please don't act like you're 12'. There are a lot of older members here, and we don't want you messing up our lawn.

Thank god. Does that mean we won't have to endure anime gif responses copy/pasted from 4chan anymore?

[AntiFritz]

that includes posting dumb image responses which are then quoted ad nauseum.

I honestly cannot stand this, and would love to see this type of thing enforced. It ads nothing of value to the conversation, and usually ends up derailing somewhat decent discussions.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

This thread is so getting closed. I use the term 'gay' in my personal and business life too often.
When I get errors in Windows 7 or Office I call it 'gay'. I really shouldn't do it.

I'm gay, and it's not that big of a deal, really. It's the sort of thing that'll change in a few generations anyways as language constantly keeps evolving (like how I'm an atheist too yet I constantly keep using "oh my God", it's an ingrained thing I guess). It's like how 'queer' can actually have a derogatory or positive connotation depending on who/how it's used. I think it's important to keep in mind the intent of language is just as relevant as the language being used.

[exquisite_torture]

Bigotry in all its forms is utterly abhorrent. Recounting the holocaust as means to deflect attention from your own bigotry, moreso.

[system11]

For clarity, here's Zionist and liar Alan Dershowitz. Being anti-Zionist doesn't equate to being anti-Jew. It's their behaviour I take exception to, just as I take exception to Obama's CIA and Drone activity. Does that make me racist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO2-eZ-1WA8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ERbPzpoXw

So either you didn't read what I wrote immediately above your post, or you just don't care.

Cross-thread arguments. No. Enjoy your couple of day ban.

[O. Van Bruce]

Just think about how Gus talked on shmups chat... once you know him you'll know he's not doing it to offend: that's just the way he is.

Just think about how Gus doesn't post on Shmups Chat anymore

afaik, he decided to stop posting because people just couldn't understand what he was trying to say.

[Friendly]

For clarity, here's Zionist and liar Alan Dershowitz. Being anti-Zionist doesn't equate to being anti-Jew. It's their behaviour I take exception to, just as I take exception to Obama's CIA and Drone activity. Does that make me racist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO2-eZ-1WA8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ERbPzpoXw

So either you didn't read what I wrote immediately above your post, or you just don't care.

Cross-thread arguments. No. Enjoy your couple of day ban.

That's not exactly fair is it? Of course this is your forum and you can do what you want, but this thread is about prejudice, and exquisite_torture is trying to explain how he isn't really prejudiced.
(Not saying he is succeding, but still). NB, this whole topic refers to other threads. So this isn't really a "cross-thread argument"; he is merely trying to clarify his position.

[AntiFritz]

Just think about how Gus talked on shmups chat... once you know him you'll know he's not doing it to offend: that's just the way he is.

Just think about how Gus doesn't post on Shmups Chat anymore

afaik, he decided to stop posting because people just couldn't understand what he was trying to say.

He asked the mods to ban him from shmups chat all together, at least afaik.

[O. Van Bruce]

yeah, but it was he who decided it. Who wouldn't when people kept thinking, simplistically, that he behaved like that just because he wanted to be a dick.

[system11]

For clarity, here's Zionist and liar Alan Dershowitz. Being anti-Zionist doesn't equate to being anti-Jew. It's their behaviour I take exception to, just as I take exception to Obama's CIA and Drone activity. Does that make me racist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO2-eZ-1WA8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ERbPzpoXw

So either you didn't read what I wrote immediately above your post, or you just don't care.

Cross-thread arguments. No. Enjoy your couple of day ban.

That's not exactly fair is it? Of course this is your forum and you can do what you want, but this thread is about prejudice, and exquisite_torture is trying to explain how he isn't really prejudiced.
(Not saying he is succeding, but still). NB, this whole topic refers to other threads. So this isn't really a "cross-thread argument"; he is merely trying to clarify his position.

The original post is a general case request for some people to change their posting habits, and he brought a fight over from a locked thread into this one. I quote:

so a ban is no skin off my nose and the relevant thread's closed.
As I can't post in it, I'll post in this travesty of a thread instead.

Then someone poked him in the eye, and he responded. Then I made it pretty clear what was and wasn't OK, and he didn't just stop. The eye-poker has been warned too incidentally.

Not sure I'm seeing the unfairness.

[Marble]

Don't see the problem with using prejudice insults jokingly, if anything I feel uncomfortable in situations where it's not considered okay. In Australian English, it's usually considered more friendly to insult someone then to compliment them. At least when not in a formal setting. I.e it's not entirely unheard of for an Aboriginal to approach a white guy calling him a "Fucken' white cunt" only to be called a "Black cunt" in return, and for both parties to then laugh and have a friendly conversation. I am constantly calling my good Asian friends things like "Filthy slope-eyed chink cunt" because using terms like that in friendly conversation shows that you're aware of their ethnic differences but accept them for it. We often then joke around, making fun of both of our cultures. Goes without saying that your body language and vocal tonality etc. have to be friendly, though I guess that's kind of lost on a forum.

[Friendly]

The original post is a general case request for some people to change their posting habits

Well, exquisite_torture obviously took it as a veiled attack and tried to defend himself.

BTW, just so we are clear, I am in no way defending his "Ah, a jew." (which in part prompted the creation of this thread); that was totally inappropriate.

[Skykid]

yeah, but it was he who decided it. Who wouldn't when people kept thinking, simplistically, that he behaved like that just because he wanted to be a dick.

Uh, he is a bit of a dick.

Great player though.

[Drum]

I don't know why you'd bother defending the guy in the least. He's Golden Dawn-level creepy. Matter-of-factly asserting that global banking is a "Jewish-controlled industry" ... this is mental illness as philosophy.

"I abhor Hitler, but I'm a realist" hahahahaha. *wipes tear*

[Friendly]

I don't know why you'd bother defending the guy in the least. He's Golden Dawn-level creepy. Matter-of-factly asserting that global banking is a "Jewish-controlled industry" ... this is mental illness as philosophy.

"I abhor Hitler, but I'm a realist" hahahahaha. *wipes tear*

I didn't actually follow this very closely because I value my sanity.

Anyway, I didn't defend him, I defended the right to defend yourself.

[z0mbie90]

I think it's a shame that alot of this things are acceptable, I don't see how you can feel cool when your writing like an 14 years old boy that just learned some new cool words.
The fag and N words dont make you funny adn cool, you jsut look like an A hole. I confese that I use some bad and silly words, but I usally dont write them in forums and for everybody to see.

Sorry for not bringing something to the topic, but just felt that I wanted to write something

[Skykid]

I don't know why you'd bother defending the guy in the least. He's Golden Dawn-level creepy. Matter-of-factly asserting that global banking is a "Jewish-controlled industry"

As System11 tactfully noted:

"Unpopular political views and ideas are just that - by silencing peoples voices you're not protecting the world from them (and who are you to say that it /needs/ protecting?), you're just being a fascist."

Just because someone has come to an assertion that global financial power happens to be in the hands of Jewish people doesn't make them an anti-semite or mentally unwell. Although I have a hard time subscribing to a lot of these conspiracy theories, I know there have been powerful bloodlines of Jewish descent that have driven and cemented some of today's most powerful banking institutions - which is where I assume the chewier 'theories' derive from (I haven't bothered to do the homework, I just watched Zeitgeist and took note of a few names.)

What I'm trying to say is, let the forum breathe a little bit. I can't imagine people crying racism if someone suggests Arabs are oil-rich, Indians are business mercenaries, or Chinese people are highly ambitious/profiteering: these are pretty much a given.

[louisg]

Just because someone has come to an assertion that global financial power happens to be in the hands of Jewish people doesn't make them an anti-semite or mentally unwell

Uhh.. what? I can't tell if this is a joke or not. This is like saying "just because you think blacks are lazy doesn't make you racist". What a poor, misguided justification.

But here's anti-semitic Elmo to cheer up this thread [NSFW, like, at all]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuouL4WnM9A

[Skykid]

Just because someone has come to an assertion that global financial power happens to be in the hands of Jewish people doesn't make them an anti-semite or mentally unwell

Uhh.. what? I can't tell if this is a joke or not. This is like saying "just because you think blacks are lazy doesn't make you racist". What a poor, misguided justification.

I.. honestly don't see how you can rightfully compare those statements, or how what I posted made no sense.

Saying black people are lazy is a racist stereotype: a statement of prejudice rather than fact. Saying Jewish people have a large controlling hand in banking is like saying Arab people have a large controlling hand in oil. Where's the racism?

It's well known Jews are enormously invested in Hollywood production, is saying so racist all of a sudden?

I think it's worth people reading and not always reading into. I have no comment over the Jewish role in banking, except that they invented it. Beyond that I'm happy to watch from the wings and look for evidence.

[louisg]

Just because someone has come to an assertion that global financial power happens to be in the hands of Jewish people doesn't make them an anti-semite or mentally unwell

Uhh.. what? I can't tell if this is a joke or not. This is like saying "just because you think blacks are lazy doesn't make you racist". What a poor, misguided justification.

I.. honestly don't see how you can rightfully compare those statements, or how what I posted made no sense.

Saying black people are lazy is a racist stereotype: a statement of prejudice rather than fact. Saying Jewish people have a large controlling hand in banking is like saying Arab people have a large controlling hand in oil. Where's the racism?

It's well known Jews are enormously invested in Hollywood production, is saying so racist all of a sudden?

I think it's worth people reading and not always reading into. I have no comment over the Jewish role in banking, except that they invented it. Beyond that I'm happy to watch from the wings and look for evidence.

They're actually both stereotypes. How about all the WASPs in banking? Yet we don't mention that, for some strange reason. So, give me a break. Yes, there is an argument inferred when saying "Jews control the banks"-- why mention it otherwise? And yes, it's a stereotype and it's sad that it persists in 2013. It's a warped perspective. Sure, some Jewish people are in banking and Hollywood. We're also in carpentry, music, engineering, law, teaching, taxi cab driving, and all kinds of other disciplines and jobs. For historical perspective, lot of American Jews took jobs that they could be self-employed at back when we were excluded.