Osama Bin Laden is dead

[exquisite_torture]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeHzc1h8k7o

[GaijinPunch]

I'll just be glad when Judgment Day (when Texas turns blue) comes and their spines are broken. It's very obvious, from pushing the guy at the DNC, that Democrats are angling to get Julian into the governorship and on the short list for king eventually.

Isn't Austin one of the fastest growing cities in the US? It is probably the bluest already.

[BryanM]

All the cities there are. The Castro guy they're pushing is the king of San Antonio for example.

The demographic shift from olds to tan youngs make it an inevitable conclusion even without the tens of $millions push. It is cute to see Rick Perry shouting it's impossible madness that'll never happen, though. Man pooping his pants, srsly.

[Ed Oscuro]

The partisanship is so bad that people are saying they'll leave Google+ because it advertised the First Lady's "Let's Move" Fireside hangout, others are busy calling her a "commie bitch," yet others say they don't want to be lectured etc. - and all this right on the heels of the anger at her speech to the Oscars. Couldn't be possible that the First Lady talking about things would be an honor highlighting American industries and greatness

It's kind of like people who say that her butt is too big. If she was any thinner then people would say she's bulimic. Some people are looking to be displeased.

[GaijinPunch]

Rick Perry is a dingle berry. I didn't even mean for that to rhyme.

[BulletMagnet]

Rick Perry is a dingle berry. I didn't even mean for that to rhyme.

It was meant to be.

[Skykid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeHzc1h8k7o

Put this in the queue and just got round to watching it. Fantastic documentary.

The US government has easily been the most ruthless criminal empirical force on earth for the last hundred years. Their record is so dirty it defies belief. Bullshitting about Bin Laden's death is small fry misdirection compared to assassinating entire countries and their rightful democracies for tens of years.

Most impressive is the whiter than white image, however. What untouchable propaganda.

[GaijinPunch]

The US government has easily been the most ruthless criminal empirical force on earth for the last hundred years.

Catholic church.

[Skykid]

The US government has easily been the most ruthless criminal empirical force on earth for the last hundred years.

Catholic church.

Ooh, it's very close.

[Ed Oscuro]

Still takes the prize. "Night and Fog" ring any bells?

[Skykid]

Still takes the prize. "Night and Fog" ring any bells?

Not really. Was Germany ever considered an empire under Nazism - I thought the dust would have had to settle before they got the official collectors badge.

In terms of total civilian deaths, it's very hard to call. Nearly all US interventions have been either hidden or conducted under false pretense, making their wars illegal, and that includes the Pearl Harbour provocations and the use of atomic bombs.

The death toll in the Americas as a consequence of US backed coups and fascist dictators must be countless, Peru, Cuba, Bolivia, Chile etc etc - nearly all thanks to Kissinger, who also had a helping hand in Pol Pot's Cambodian genocide.

There's Vietnam, of course, poor bastards. Civilian casualties + several generations of birth defects owing to experimental chemical warfare.

Sinking of the Lusitania, throw a few more on the pile. Iraq and Afghanistan? Cannon fodder in exchange for your pipelines, yes please many thanks.

I'd say fighting Nazism in WW2 was the most justifiable war the US has been involved in, although they wanted in for the money, which is a little like murdering your soldiers for sport. Paid off though, bought a lot of countries on super sale after that conflict. Including Britain, who suffered decades of industrial failure and poverty.

There's more of course, I think over 50 countries have suffered US aid, corporate intervention, and being robbed absolutely blind by having all of their resources bought and privatised by Blue Chips.

Dat Hugo Chavez, may he RIP. There was a good man.

[exquisite_torture]

There's Vietnam, of course, poor bastards.

The Tonkin Gulf incident
Robert McNamara's comments.

More Pilger.
Interesting that Indonesia and Vietnam are now the global maufacturing hubs, considering the treatment they've both received directly and indirectly from Western regimes. Here's an interesting film on that subject and the use of IMF and World bank capital to enslave entire countries to Western banking interests controlled by the aristocracies of the US, the UK and Europe.
Have they done the same to the rest of us? That's Alex Jones' territory...
The New Rulers of the World

Extended interview (60 mins+) with Assange from Pilger's film The War You Don't See

Also, on the topic of Hugo Chavez and South American socialism is Oliver Stone's film South of the Border. It expands on the South American section of Pilger's The War on Democracy and in addition to Chavez it features Ecuador's Correa, Cuba's Castros and Argentina's Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.

[Skykid]

^ Good stuff. The last recommendation was first class, so I'll definitely take a look.

Funny with the Alex Jones stuff. DEL is a good friend, and he probably wouldn't mind me saying, the forum's most committed conspiracy theorist, and much of our chat tends to be me trying to get him to understand there's no need to be so invested in the wild stuff when there's plenty enough completely factual crookedness to go around.

The US govt. have been the best of liars, and the worst (this thread topic case in-point), but there's no hiding dirty secrets forever. It was really good to see so many ex-CIA admitting to foreign policy methods in the film so freely, I hope there's more.

[exquisite_torture]

I like to keep an open mind, but ranting and general madness aside, Alex Jones' political schtick is based almost entirely on a book by a known anti-semite Eustace Mullins. Another 'author' G.Edward Griffin plagiarised this book almost wholesale and released it as The Creature from Jekyll Island. Both of these books are at the core of "the Zionist banking conspiracy." Jones is just the most recent in a long line of community TV Manic Street Preacher types who buy into this narative.
Granted, Jones has drawn people's attention to declassified documents and news reports we may have overlooked, but his house of cards tumbles if Mullins was a liar or was factually inaccurate.
I've read many of the other books he's recommended by Carol Quigley and Webster Tarpley etc, but the whole theory of a NWO is based on the assertion that central banks are private and not federal or government agencies. Can that be proven? I know The Bank of England definitely is private and the implications of that are fierce, it's owned by most of Wall street's big hitters and possibly the queen and the royals (their investments are top secret) but I've never found a smoking gun where the Fed is concerned. It's certainly possible and plausible, Greenspan is an Ayn Rand nut and is on record as saying the Fed is above the law and government, but that doesn't prove anything.

What I will say in Jones' defense is that if it weren't for him I'd never have known about Bliderberg or Bohemian Grove, or Operation Gladio and Operation Northwoods.
I certainly don't buy that a plane disappeared into a hole in Shanksville and the Pentagon on 9/11 or that a magic bullet killed JFK, I believe the two are linked and may involve the guy who's in current use as my avatar and that's why I give Jones the time of day at all, despite his behaviour and branding Noam Chomsky a shill on-air after cutting Chomsky's feed. Chomsky dismisses any thought of a conspiracy surrounding both events as a waste of time, and while I spent a considerable portion of my twenties reading his books, I just don't accept that. So I sit on the fence. But while I sit on the fence I see the propaganda working on some people and their irational behaviour towards anyone asking questions of known liars. I guess one or two servings of shit just isn't enough for some, they have to go back for more, never questioning why they have to eat shit...


edit: John Pilger's site features almost every documentary the guy's made, going back to Vietnam

[Ed Oscuro]

Skykid, comparing U.S. bumbling (which is what it was most of the time, and most of it wasn't hidden) with the criminal empire of Nazi Germany is unfathomable.

Hugo Chavez has a very mixed record but I regard him (along with his bosom buddy "President Sulfur," however, but for different reasons) a criminal too. Or is gross violation of basic human rights a qualification for sainthood now? Please don't say "it was for the good of the proles" or any nonsense; that's something Jon Ingram would say, and patently untrue.

Of course I am not sanguine about how criminal notions get calcified within the ruling methods of a nation, and the U.S. has its share of wrong-headed policies to account for lately. But, as far as I'm concerned, Nazi Germany's ruling methods exemplifies a thorough disregard for all rights and justice in the starkest terms which wasn't even covered by the fig leaf of do-goodery, whereas Venezuela's rulers have also come uncomfortably close to shutting down the healthy process of dissent. In the U.S. a person is always free to state whatever beliefs they have about the direction democracy should take.

[exquisite_torture]

I'm not a Chavez supporter, it's a living populist socialist experiement that's worth observing in my opinion, but tackling a right-wing media who were calling for his assassination and broadcasting false propaganda is a fair enough shout for the president, I reckon, and from what I understand of Venezuala, the police force and judicial system was completely and utterly corrupt.

Aside from the employment, school and health programs and the reduction of poverty, the main thing attracting attention to Chavez is the level of negative rhetoric and blatantly false propaganda levelled at both the man and his party by those supposedly representing us and by our mainstream media.

[BulletMagnet]

In the U.S. a person is always free to state whatever beliefs they have about the direction democracy should take.

As a liberal during the Bush years, I...eh, heck, you've heard it all from me already.

In seriousness, for all the atrocities the US has committed abroad (many of them, it should be noted, in the name of its private corporate interests as opposed to the general populace), methinks Nazi Germany still squeaks ahead in the "not very nice at all" rankings.

[exquisite_torture]

No one thinks for a minute these fucks are representing you guys at all. You lost your government a long time ago. I'm just not sure when the coup d'etat happened.
Sadly your propaganda beaten military have to see the lies first hand to realise they've been duped, though. I think that's a contributing factor to the PTSD numbers. That's pretty shit. More soldiers should read Gen Smedley Butler's views on war.
As for a democratic process, really? Despite the media trying to portray a left right paradigm, they both serve the same interests and it's become a cliche to state that Obama is more right-wing than Richard Nixon. The lesser of two perceived evils isn't choice and "yes we can" is utterly meaningless marketing bullshit from a ruthless shark who'll summon MLK at any opportunity to serve his often dubious purposes. Unfortunately the "left" and minorities can't see him for what he is.

[Ed Oscuro]

I'm not a Chavez supporter, it's a living populist socialist experiement that's worth observing in my opinion, but tackling a right-wing media who were calling for his assassination and broadcasting false propaganda is a fair enough shout for the president, I reckon, and from what I understand of Venezuala, the police force and judicial system was completely and utterly corrupt.

Did you look at the human rights watch thing? It's hysterical. "What will Venezuela do without Huguito?" While Chavez was nowhere near the realm of Nazi evil (or even arguably near the evil of some of he regimes he publicly supported), his regime does share something in common with Hitler - they got their panties in a twist about a mild parody from a dog.

[exquisite_torture]

I did read it, that's why I posted what you've just quoted.
I'd question (punch myself in the fuck) if my opinions were shared by the likes of Donald Rumsfeld or a weirdo probably ex CIA mormon nutcase like Glenn Beck.

[Ed Oscuro]

Sorry for missing your sarcasm, then, because assassination threats are not mentioned anywhere in the piece I posted. Or was that character self-assassination, assisted by the media reporting the facts?

[exquisite_torture]

I'm relying on second hand info, I don't understand the language. What I've seen subtitled was pretty full on HE MUST BE REMOVED AT ALL COSTS stylee rants from latino Glenn Beck sorts. If you can imagine how bombastic that is.

[DEL]

Skykid wrote;

^ Good stuff. The last recommendation was first class, so I'll definitely take a look.

Funny with the Alex Jones stuff. DEL is a good friend, and he probably wouldn't mind me saying, the forum's most committed conspiracy theorist, and much of our chat tends to be me trying to get him to understand there's no need to be so invested in the wild stuff when there's plenty enough completely factual crookedness to go around.

The US govt. have been the best of liars, and the worst (this thread topic case in-point), but there's no hiding dirty secrets forever. It was really good to see so many ex-CIA admitting to foreign policy methods in the film so freely, I hope there's more.

Well now that you've called me by name
Yes of course, I'm a proud conspiracy researcher. I always try to keep an open mind to everything I look at, all sides. I like to distill things down to basics. This makes things clearer.

exquisite_torture wrote:

Aside from the employment, school and health programs and the reduction of poverty, the main thing attracting attention to Chavez is the level of negative rhetoric and blatantly false propaganda levelled at both the man and his party by those supposedly representing us and by our mainstream media.

Yes indeed. Chavez was running his own Country. He was indeed doing good things for his people in terms of the employment, school and health programs and the reduction of poverty. The rich in his country weren't getting much richer also. So for all these fine and noble reasons he was OFF'D.
I watched a video on the Kabbalah (satanism) site where the main speaker said that any countries that aren't with their Globalist Plan will be made to fall. Hence we have the Chavez situation.

As I've mentioned before, the mainstream media is owned run and controlled by one zionist kabbalist Khazar talmudic source. All their propaganda, their spin, their lies, their misdirection. Some true stories mixed in of course to make everything blend.

Oh, and as Skykid mentioned Alex Jones - he's paid opposition. Why do you think he gets allowed on the mainstream media?! You never see a real conspiracy researcher on the zionist media, no way.

EDIT:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05R_Ehwt7FI
The real history of the last 200 years.
The stuff that was written-out of the school curiculum before your Grandfather was born. The Hegelian Dialect (still used today). Who Karl Marx, Lenin, Trotsky & Stalin really were.
Stuff like that.
I would highly recommend anyone and everyone watch this video.

[exquisite_torture]

Interesting. What purpose does Glenn Beck serve? Jones likes to say that he's the disinfo, given Beck reports the same things as Jones, just a few days later.

edit: I actually watched that film a few weeks ago.

[DEL]

exquisite_torture wrote;

Interesting. What purpose does Glenn Beck serve? Jones likes to say that he's the disinfo, given Beck reports the same things as Jones, just a few days later.

Glenn Beck. Pretty much the Devil incarnate. On a par with Anderson Cooper.
Remember he's on the zionist mainstream media and he's the polar opposite of a conspiracy researcher.
Default position:- Never ever trust anything in the zionist Media.

Glad you watched historian Leonard Ulrich's film. The ending is a bit heavy on Religion, but the first 90% of that video is Golden info.

[exquisite_torture]

What do you make of Webster Tarpley?

[DEL]

Saw it

Double EDIT:- hmm...Webster Tarpley, first time I've heard of him. I'll check it out and get back to you.
March 22nd (your avatar's favourite number) should be interesting this year... and I do lay heavy blame on Bush Sr for the downward spiral of the last 22 years.

[exquisite_torture]

[exquisite_torture]

Oh the Bush family is a major contributing factor, Bush 41's father Prescott is one of the most sinister characters in America's history. A true elitist oligarch and a batshit mental freemasonic occultist who founded the CIA with another batshit mental freemasonic occultist Allen Dulles, supported by Dulles' brother the secretary of state John Foster Dulles and was Hitler's banker in America with Averell Harriman (breathe) and was involved in an attempted fascist coup on the FDR admin.

Prescott Bush with Richard Nixon (Nixon just looks like such a lap dog - quite telling)

[Ed Oscuro]

Well, for starters, you've got Nixon's character completely backwards. He's just letting Bush touch him. Nixon was straight up gangster.

But putting all that aside, you've got to be pretty stupid if you think that none of these guys' silly designs on the country (and its Constitution) had been thwarted. We've not had anywhere near perfect success, but things haven't gotten anywhere as bad as Nazi Germany (or the Soviet Union, for that matter).