World War III

[Obiwanshinobi]

Those who have punishment on their mind live in many things, but peace is not one of these things.

[ST Dragon]

Someone.. is actually.. defending.. Hitler.
Best of luck with that.

No I'm not.
You obviously did not read what I wrote above.
He was yet one more criminal with power, but at least he did remain faithful to his ideas until the end and was prepared to die for them.

same as Che Guevara, he might have fought and died for a wrong cause and for a wrong / dead theory like communism, but he was a pure fighter & an idealist and that's admirable.

Unlike the majority of modern day scum / gay politicians who flip sides & lie all the time, just to save their asses and/or benefit their pockets.

[ST Dragon]

Europe of the free nations needs to rise up against Angela Merkel's Bosses, usury money lenders and loan sharks who are bleeding dry the people of Europe!

Are you saying the German banks forced the Greek government to borrow exorbitant amounts so they could give tax-break presents to the people, subsidize moribound sectors of the economy, create a bloated and ineffective bureaucracy as an employment-machine, and finance utterly useless infrastucture projects and an insanely disproportionate military budget? No man, your problems are home made, and it's not just the greek politicians' or elites' fault, but the greek people's since they were just as eager to reap the benefits without thinking twice that the shit may one day hit the fan when you're borrowing at same rates as France and Germany but your economic strength is only a fraction of that and you've given up the option to devalue your currency.

What you say is partially true, but it was also revealed recently that many of the negative financial stats which brought the IMF & Eurobank to Greece, were actually cooked up by the previous US bred scum priminister papandreou and minister of finance papakonstantinou, in order to sell off the country's resources & infrastructure real cheap to Merkel and to the rest of the foreigner "investors". Recently they basically gave away for free some very rich deposit goldmines in Northern Greece, to a Canadian corporation and now Germany and France are brawling on who will get the largest shares on the gas & oil reserves of the Aegean sea, just like the ones discovered in Cyprus. The option of being able to devalue our currency, was given up by one of the previous prime-ministers simitis, (yet one one more german bred buddy of merkel) who brought the Euro to Greece in order to serve his interests and the elite that put him into office.

The military budget is not insanely disproportionate, as unlike most other European countries, Greece is actually surrounded by some very nasty warmonger neighbors like the turks, who constantly dispute our territorial waters and air-space in the Aegean sea, claim our eastern-frontier islands and cause tensions in the eastern province of Thrace and want to turn it into an autonomous state like Kosovo or like that fake occupied part in Cyprus. The Albanian nationalists who are claiming the North-Western Greek province of Epirus and those pathetic slavs of skopje, who want to steal the Greek province, name, history and capital of Makedonia , Thessaloniki. All that can not be tolerated and will not be allowed, ever! And since its a historic proven fact that none of the Europeans would ever help us in a future conflict (russians, germans, french, italians, british all supported the turks in the Anatolian campaign 1919 - 1922 and still do), we need capable armed forces to defend our selves.

Actually many Greek people were not eager to reap any benefits, nor did they borrow loans from banks, or wanted to live "large" (including my self), so they're not responsible for the situation nor should they pay merkel and her masters. All this situation is a plan of the global loan-sharks to bring the people of Europe down upon their knees (look at what is happening to Italy, Spain, Portugal & Ireland). What germany failed to accomplish by the force of arms in WWII (as they were ultimately crushed & defeated by the allies and their cities leveled to the ground), they're now trying it again via financial / political means, but they will fail again, one way or the other, sooner or later.

[ST Dragon]

I'd much prefer a WWIII where England and America went head to head to see who is the dominant English-speaking nation. There can only be one, you know.

The winner gets Canada and Australia.

Today the UK is nothing more than America's lap-dog, as in every war / conflict the US creates, England always follows.
There is really no contest is such a conflict as the UK can't even compare in military prowess to the real military super powers out there like the USA, Russia, China and even India. England's imperial / colonial times are long dead and will never happen again, that simple.

[Randorama]

I need to chime in:

Eugenics, anyone?

[ST Dragon]

You know what`s worse than a Nazi? - A bashful Nazi, one who`s too much of a coward to admit who he really is because of the stigma associated with the name. Whether you and your mentally impoverished brethren adhere to the Strasserite, Hitlerite, Metaxian or Szalasi tradition of fascism is largely irrelevant. They are all just different brands of your degenerate, steamy shit ideology, and since not everyone is interested in researching different sorts of shit, your kind is simply branded as neo-Nazis for convenience`s sake.

Well if ones love for his faith, country, nation, ideals & flag render him a fascist / neo-nazi, then so be it! I couldn’t care less what leftist / socialist scums call me, but at least I’m not a hypocrite who believes in dead / fake theories / ideologies like communism, anarchism, socialism etc… or like others out there who are basically zeros, pitiful of their fate and who willingly betrayed their ideals and origins to become grains in the vast sand of internationalism, globalization & multi-culturalism!

There are no "Greek interests", you doofus. The interests of a stratified, hierarchical society are always those of the ruling class. You fascists are scummy lapdogs of the financial capital. Whenever the system is in crisis and starts to face popular discontent, you`re called into action with the task of diverting people`s anger from the real cause of their problems towards the most vulnerable and oppressed layers of population - national minorities and migrant workers.

I’m talking about the interests of the common Greek people retard and not those 300 thieves in the Greek parliament, their families and elite friends. Same goes for any other country out there. No one is diverting anything, the country simply can no longer support the million of illegal 3rd world country immigrants, it is financially impossible, the local unemployed simply have a priority and at the moment the State can not even offer jobs to the natives, let along the illegal immigrants, that simple! if a local breaks the law he should be punished just like any other immigrant who breaks the same laws. If an immigrant enters a country illegally and evades paying taxes, etc… he should be deported and every single person that has stolen or defrauded money / wealth from the State should be brought to justice. What is it that you don’t understand or find illogical about all that?

The system?! Lol! It’s actually the all those leftist-anarchist-communists who are the real tools of the financial capital and the system as they publically show it when ever they can. In every single protest of the Greek workers against the government, the government always employs anarchist trouble-makers and propagandists to invade into the riots and cause havoc, destruction and chaos in order to present a bad image to the protests and give an excuse to the police to violently break it off. It’s a common practice for years, I’ve seen it and it’s un-deniable! Same goes for the “radical” left party of SYRIZA, just before the elections, their leader was promising that he would end the austerity and cancel the sell-off memorandum signed by the previous government with the IMF, yet now that his percentage has risen and he could become the next Prime-minister, he went to Germany and the USA and kissed the asses of his future bosses and promised to them publically that he will not only cancel the austerity and memorandum when he gets into office, but he would also be an obedient and good slave of their system! All that to the horror of his leftist minions and miserable voters! Oh the irony!!
But I’ve never seen any MP of the nationalist party do such a thing, so that makes them the only socialist in town who care for their country by giving aid to the people from the party’s State incomes.

You`ve got an interesting definition of traitors. It`s the KKE-led left-wing National Liberation Front that did the bulk of fighting against the Axis forces, not the Greek nationalists who were sucking up to Nazis all along.

No. It was actually the nationalist dictator Metaxas who said “NO” / «ΌΧΙ» to the Italian fascists of Mussolini in 1940 and it was the national army of Greece who fought and crushed them in all fronts and the same national army that pinned down the combined might of the german / bulgarian nazis in the “Line of Metaxas” during the battle of the forts in 1941, while all other great powers of the time were defeated or surrendered unconditionally within a few days, like the super power of the time, France.
What you purposely evade to say, is that Stalin and Hitler were actually buddies and allies in the beginning of the war and the communists of Greece actually urged their followers not to fight against the “fellow workers” of Italy & Germany because their big-dady father Stalin had commanded them so and because the counterattack of the Greek army in Albania against the Italian fascists, was seen by them as an act of imperialism against the proletarians!!! In other words, Total craze and treachery! These were the exact same traitor scum who fought along side Bulgaria. Albania, Yugoslavia, & the slavs NOF Partisans, who wanted to divide Greece into multiple communist Slavic States!

They even admitted it publically in their garbage Newpaper in 1931:

23/03/1931
"We'll not cease our battle & struggle for the independence of the Slavs of Makedonia"



But their treachery goes back a long way before that. Even from the time of the Anatolian Campaign (1919- 1922), when my ancestors tried to save the Greek populations of Asia Minor (turkey) from the atrocities, genocide and ethnic cleansing of the young turks of kemal ataturk, by invading to free the lands of our forefathers, the Greek communist acted against this as they saw it yet as another act of imperialism, and proof of that is their garbage newspaper RIZOSPASTIS, when years later in 1935, they published articles and publicly admitted that:

12/07/1935
"If we were not defeated in Asia Minor turkey today would have been dead and we Great Greece. So, not only we did not grief for our loss in Asia Minor, but we also pursuited it!"



So if all that is not acts treachery and high treason what is?!

Fortunately all these KKE scum were crushed and dealt with accordingly by the national Hellenic army and in the next elections they will not enter the Hellenic parliament as they won’t even get a 1%, as the common Greek people now know the truth.

Oh, yeah. I hear these pathetic excuses all the time. Russian neo-Nazis: "You see, these Swastika banners that we parade at our demos, they are not really related to Nazism. They are ancient solar symbols used by our Slavic ancestors and we are just a hapless bunch of happy-go-lucky do-gooders who mean no harm to anyone(even though we hunt down and behead migrants from time to time)."

I presented indisputable facts and proof of my claims, while you present nothing and I don’t give jack-squat what your slave-like slavic disoriented, ex “comrades” neo-nazis do, who all got baptized by the millions in the rivers of Russia, when their Tsar commanded them to do so in the 9th Century in order to honor a pact with Byzantium, when it was obvious that they didn’t even know what and why they were doing so. But if memory serves me right, your country seems to have suffered quite a few casualties recently from the rebel Muslims of Tsetsenia and even threatened by the anti-missile shield being established by NATO in eastern Europe and turkey against Russia, so their rise is not accidental. But who could even take seriously people who their army parades with the songs of Sponge Bob square pants?! Lol!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhuzb3WMntc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE6Ht6EiPcw

Besides, the form doesn`t matter. It`s the content of your politics that makes you who you are(a bunch of hateful, frustrated fascists). Given your hatred of "aliens" and your fetishization of hierarchical society and "order", you could wear cuckoo hats to your parades and greet each other with a hot French kiss instead of a sig heil, and it still wouldn`t help you to mask your true political identity.

Ahahhahah!! Yeah I saw what your “socialist” / “leftist” / “ ”commusinst”, un-hateful, none-fascist, “modernized”, “radical” buddies and thieves, brought down upon this country in the past 70 years and to all those other countries they happened to pass through, not to mention the “liberal” and “free” regimes of the west like the USA & UK, countries which are now plagued by high un-employment and millions of miserable people on the streets begging, with no health care or support from their capitalistic States and even practice capital punishment! Ahhh yes, “socialism” at its finest!

Indeed hierarchical. What can we do now? Human societies and nature it self is hierarchical and all people as simply not equal. For example, how can you expect someone, who is provenly smarter and more capable, to equate him with someone less smart and force him to be a worker and pay him the same, just because the proletarian leftist/communist party dictates it, and exploits the people like animals, just like any other capitalistic regime out there, while the Bolshevik leaders above, eat with golden forks and spoons?! It simply can’t and that’s why the USSR collapsed. All these leftist “socialist” parties that have spouted like fungi all over the place now are nothing more than an obscure twisted parody of the dead communist theory.

You seem to be awfully confused. Fasсism is an anti-egalitarian ideology that champions the creation of a brutal corporate state(which you yourself prove in your comments). Equality and social liberation are simply not on the "to do" list, let alone a focal point(the original NSDAP did entertain some relatively progressive social ideas, but after its left-wing got purged "to prevent the Bolshevization of German politics" as Strasser put it, it became a pristine far-right party without any deviations).

“Brutal” to whom? To the opposing leftist-communist-anarchist scum, who only care for them selves and their only endeavor is to dissolve the national borders and the cultural / national integrity of a nation through acts of proletarian internationalism and intermixing? No lawful, law-abiding citizen with a national conscience has anything to fear from a true patriotic national government, but all the scum who brought the country to this mess (politicians and people alike) most certainly should!

You forgot "cultural Marxism". Big bro Breivik wouldn`t approve.

Globalization is an objective process necessitated by the development of capitalism. It`s not something you can fight(or need to). Capital accumulation and concentration 101.

You know what, Marx Stirner actually told the plain and biter truth and despised all these radical modernists, leftist & anarchists but of course they did not like what they heard as it was against their interests, so there is no political party based on his beliefs. He was way ahead of his time.

Good luck with that, buddy.

Why not? Your ex bolshevik communist soviet masters, did a pretty good job by sending all your slave-like “comrades” to the gulags of Siberia and taught them to obey their fake political communist system…the harsh way! So, why not teach the masses to obey the laws, logic and reason as well? But for Greece, it’s all a matter of proper national education and to be actually taught to care and seek for the benefit of the common good, rather than their selfish wants and obey the laws unlike all those leftish-anarchist scum out there who only seek chaos & destruction.

[ST Dragon]

Yes I'm sure American Presidents were way worse than Hitler.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

I do agree that Greece is a country filled with selfish, self entitled scum bags who rather have their country fall apart then to have any responsibility.

and you're from where?...

[CIT]

Actually many Greek people were not eager to reap any benefits, nor did they borrow loans from banks, or wanted to live "large" (including my self), so they're not responsible for the situation nor should they pay merkel and her masters.

So who should pick up the tab instead? The German taxpayer? Of course all along this was the reason Greece was so eager to be in the EU...

The Greek people are very much responsible for what has happened to their country, they are the ones who kept the corrupt politicians in power, enjoying the tax breaks, 14 monthly pension payments a year, useless national prestige projects like the Olympics, etc. and never thinking it might be a bit odd that every election is a choice between somebody named Papandreou or Karamanlis.

But of course it's always easier to blame the others. US geopolitics, German business, puny and weak little Albania and Mecedonia, and of course the Turks.

Maybe it's time the Greeks had a good look at Turkey and check out what the country has been doing in the last ten years to build a sustainable economy with strong industrial output and growth. You can probably learn a lot from them!

[system11]

Leading on from a conversation I had earlier on IRC, I present you with a simple guide of left to right, as seen by people on the left:

Communist
Left wing
Centre-left
Centre
Nazi
Nazi
Nazi

What a massive overreaction.

................. then maybe you should tell them to pick another color scheme and sigil design for their party banner.

...... you, you would think they would do something about that. Being a nationalistic organization all about kicking out the foreign folk, and all.

............ a, also maybe you should tell them not to publish stuff like "Man life would be sweet if Hitler's ideals had continued to be in vogue post WW2" in their newsletter.


also: blackman.txt

It was a general case observation, in the UK if you don't believe that everyone should have a free ride at the taxpayers expense, and that unemployed people perhaps shouldn't have luxury items like satellite TV paid for with taxes, you're instantly an evil ogre who wants to join the BNP. From the point of view of more socialist leaning people here, any tiny degree to the right of centre = Nazi. It gets very, very, very tiresome.

Not particularly defending what St Dragon is saying, I think he's definitely a few cans short of a six pack. Like the EU trying to take over Greece for its assets. Which ones? The whole issue is that Greece had no money to begin with and should never have been invited into the EU common currency, but Greek politicians were greedy for loans, and EU politicians were greedy to build their little 'project'. The people are suffering now because for a long time they've been enjoying things their economy couldn't support.

[R79]

UK is still very much a G7 nation, with a fleet of fully nuclear tactical subs.

Greece is just somewhere I get my feta and olives from, and read about in the papers as the first major € project basketcase. 60 years on from WWII, a united Germany basically runs central Europe.



1946

Len Deighton was right.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Looks like someone made the socialists cry again.

Leading on from a conversation I had earlier on IRC, I present you with a simple guide of left to right, as seen by people on the left:

Communist
Left wing
Centre-left
Centre
Nazi
Nazi
Nazi

What a massive overreaction.

That`s not how I see things. If you care to explain how Golden Dawn are not fascists, I`ll be more than happy to listen.

and I don’t give jack-squat what your slave-like slavic disoriented, ex “comrades” neo-nazis do

What a shame. Russian chauvinist filth of all shapes and sizes seem to be cheering for Golden Dawn. What a letdown it would be if they learnt what you think of them. Oh, well. Guess a far-right International is not going to be convened any time soon.

I hope you won`t mind if I leave the rest of your brain diarrhea uncommented until you`ve learnt how not to use ethnicity, nationality and sexual orientation as slurs, okay? Nah, I`m just trying to be funny here. Why would I expect that from a nationally conscious, flag obsessing far-right warrior. Just don`t cry like a little bitch when you`ll run into a mob of Antifa, KNE and PAME militants.

[Randorama]

So much non-sense from both people who should know better, at least in theory (CIT) and, well, the usuals.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/24/ ... rofligacy/

Among other things, Greece is where it is now, because "the rich" were traded the colonels' dictatorship with a tax system that virtually taxes anyone else except the filthy rich, who in turn were staunch supporters of the colonels, and so on.

Greece's problems started well before their abuse of entrance in the EU, which was a mistake to begin with and was conceded by the French and German governments of the time.

Anyhow, who wants pictures of the family's svastikas? My grandpa was in the SS, y'know. Some of you moderate, centrist, lots may appreciate these paraphernalia.

[Ed Oscuro]

The people are suffering now because for a long time they've been enjoying things their economy couldn't support.

I am halfway in support of this, but Randorama is definitely onto something. When national priorities are decided by scoundrels, it's the normal blokes who end up taking the "haircut." The rich never learn, partly because they don't have to. Theory of exit bitches!

Well if ones love for his faith, country, nation, ideals & flag render him a fascist / neo-nazi, then so be it!

Why people say things like this is beyond me. If you do love the good then it is encompassing enough, not simple-minded nationalism, and it would be very straightforward to reject the allegations of fascism. But the fact that this distinction has been blurred along with the rise of Golden Dawn is a worrying sign for all of us. There is more to the problem facing not only Greece but other "debtor" nations in Europe (some of who, like Italy and Spain, were clearly manipulated, if unintentionally) than will be fixed by simple appeal to one's own nation. The Eurozone program has made a hash of the ideals of the good neighbor state but that doesn't mean that should be dismissed.

More people should be paying attention to the ideas of Prof. Billy Mitchell and Modern Monetary Theory. Prof. Mitchell rightly points out that in some systems it is nonsense to talk of (total) debts "coming due" (just portions of the same). It's just a shifting of the risky investment found in all capitalist systems. But even this is probably more adventurous than we need to be in fixing the current problem.

I obviously don't know about the case of Greece - I am rethinking what I've been told in that area - but clearly in the place of Spain and Italy the idea that those nations were overspending is nonsense. I am sympathetic to Greece.

On the other hand, this is a natural result of the post-WWII fanaticism for unity (arguably promoted past the point of good reason), which unwittingly set up the trap of shared destiny, bundled along with a good helping of short-sighted belief in "balanced book" economics. I don't think that the push for austerity is based on cynical capitalism - certainly many people are very passionate about keeping debts down. But it is certainly not good policy, especially in the case of hard-hit areas. I get the sinking feeling that Winston Churchill would be able to write essentially just as he did about the mess of transfer payments in the interwar period which gained no good will and which harmed the fiscal interests of all parties involved. As Paul Krugman has written:

So, people want me to comment on the Moody’s downgrade of Britain. No real news there. As a guide to the future, ratings agency judgments are literally worse than useless; remember, US bond yields actually fell after the 2011 S&P downgrade. Still, it’s kind of a poke in the eye for Cameron/Osborne, who are subjecting their country to pointless austerity because confidence!

One way of looking at the problem of the moment is that all parties are guilty (to some degree) of wanting to keep all the goodies without paying, though it is useless (if understandable) for Greeks to support Golden Dawn rather than straightforwardly calling out the attack on their self-determination, which is a criticism just as effective when made by a pluralist. I think Greeks are right to be ready to throw out the Euro if it proves to clash with democratic and financial self-determination.

Germany was greatly enjoying a currency lowered by its neighbors' relative uncompetitiveness and don't want to pay for the actual advantage they enjoyed, nor do they want to admit that people of other nations may have a right to prioritize something other than hyper-competitive export production (and on top of that, how does anybody else in Europe compete with German exports)? There is also the rather unhappy business of Germany and France conspiring, during Germany's time as the "sick man of Europe" a decade ago, to overlook the enforcement of deficit level penalties, while later enforcing them on the less well-represented members of the EU. It is nonsense to expect other nations to dig themselves out of this hole by doing as well as Germany, even ignoring the point that people in other nations might not care about that kind of life, which is perfectly fine in a democracy. I think (though I could be wrong) a great deal of blame is rightly put on successive Greek governments (from opposite factions too!) "cooking the books," but with a self-controlled currency this should have just resulted in small periods of instability and shame as the bungled numbers came to light and provoked corrections via the many fiscal tools available to a sovereign nation (i.e. currency devaluation) which Eurozone members have sacrificed. Now, with monetary integration, it's everybody's shame and everybody's problem, but naturally people aren't prepared to own it as their own problem because some "other people" (another nation) did it.

So far the natural EU model of fixing the problem appeart to be shoving, wedging, and binding everybody more tightly into the same box, and the critique from democracy (and nationalism) heats up. It's probably more realistic to split people into their own systems of national currency again so they can compete with other nations and place domestic blame in the proper places without the distraction of foreign meddling. This seems compatible with remaining peaceful neighbors.

Between the bureaucratic idealism of the Brussels system and the "hard knocks" beliefs of neoliberal market advocates on the one hand, and foolish and off-topic nationalistic reaction in Greece, democracy and self-determination are under siege, and the original goal of the post-WWII integration program is itself under attack, but today people have forgotten this original aim and now it is all based on economics alone (and international market economics at that).

[BryanM]

A region the size of Texas, where everyone hates each other so much they can't even decide on a single standard language.

This is something that always drove me crazy as a kid: Why is Europe considered its own continent? Is there some ocean between it and Asia I keep failing to notice on maps or something?

[Ed Oscuro]

Well, technically there's some shenanigans going on with tectonic plates, so they say.

[Moniker]

This is something that always drove me crazy as a kid: Why is Europe considered its own continent? Is there some ocean between it and Asia I keep failing to notice on maps or something?

The answer is fairly straightforward. It began with the ancient Greeks, where basically stuff to the east of Greece was Asia, south - Africa, west - Europe. Later on it was more associated with the boundaries of Christianity.

[ST Dragon]

Leading on from a conversation I had earlier on IRC, I present you with a simple guide of left to right, as seen by people on the left:

Communist
Left wing
Centre-left
Centre
Nazi
Nazi
Nazi

What a massive overreaction.

................. then maybe you should tell them to pick another color scheme and sigil design for their party banner.

...... you, you would think they would do something about that. Being a nationalistic organization all about kicking out the foreign folk, and all.

............ a, also maybe you should tell them not to publish stuff like "Man life would be sweet if Hitler's ideals had continued to be in vogue post WW2" in their newsletter.


also: blackman.txt

It was a general case observation, in the UK if you don't believe that everyone should have a free ride at the taxpayers expense, and that unemployed people perhaps shouldn't have luxury items like satellite TV paid for with taxes, you're instantly an evil ogre who wants to join the BNP. From the point of view of more socialist leaning people here, any tiny degree to the right of centre = Nazi. It gets very, very, very tiresome.

Not particularly defending what St Dragon is saying, I think he's definitely a few cans short of a six pack. Like the EU trying to take over Greece for its assets. Which ones? The whole issue is that Greece had no money to begin with and should never have been invited into the EU common currency, but Greek politicians were greedy for loans, and EU politicians were greedy to build their little 'project'. The people are suffering now because for a long time they've been enjoying things their economy couldn't support.

Seeing as how the UK has always been against European unification, the Euro currency, constantly raising tension and disputes in the EU parliament, being against Europe it self and causing a myriad other problems all over the world in the past 150 years, you're the last who could judge Greece in this matter.

I think he's definitely a few cans short of a six pack

Ahahhah!! You make me laugh, that's a good one!
But its actually others that claim that title...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-BjDtK8aS0

[ST Dragon]

A region the size of Texas, where everyone hates each other so much they can't even decide on a single standard language.

This is something that always drove me crazy as a kid: Why is Europe considered its own continent? Is there some ocean between it and Asia I keep failing to notice on maps or something?

That's because Europe is made up of many different nations and languages, unlike the USA which is a multi-ethnic, multicultural soup of a country, not a nation, controlled by one central government & language. So it's not easy to establish one language as the common European language.
And Europe is much bigger than Texas. Larger than the whole USA actually.

Europe is considered a separate continent from Asia primarily for historic, cultural, political and even religious reasons, from the time of the Hellenistic period when Alexander conquered most of the then known world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_the_continents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

History

The threefold division of the Old World into Europe, Asia and Africa has been in use since the 6th century BC, due to Greek geographers such as Anaximander and Hecataeus. Anaximander placed the boundary between Asia and Europe along the Phasis River (the modern Rioni) in the Caucasus (from its mouth by Poti on the Black Sea coast, through the Surami Pass and along the Kura River to the Caspian Sea), a convention still followed by Herodotus in the 5th century BC. As geographic knowledge of the Greeks increased during the Hellenistic period, this archaic convention was revised, and the boundary between Europe and Asia was now considered to be the Tanais (the modern Don River). This is the convention used by Roman era authors such as Posidonius, Strabo and Ptolemy.

The modern border between Asia and Europe remains a historical and cultural construct, defined only by convention. The modern border follows the Aegean Sea, the Dardanelles-Sea of Marmara-Bosphorus, the Black Sea, along the watershed of the Greater Caucasus, the northwestern portion of the Caspian Sea and along the Ural River and Ural Mountains to the Arctic Ocean, as mapped and listed in most atlases including that of the National Geographic Society and as described in the World Factbook.According to this definition, Georgia and Azerbaijan both have most of their territory in Asia, although each has small parts of their northern borderlands north of the Greater Caucasus watershed and thus in Europe.

Though most geographic sources assign the area south of the Caucasus Mountain crest to Southwest or West Asia, no definition is entirely satisfactory, with it often becoming a matter of self-identification. Cultural influences in the area originate from both Asia and Europe. While geographers rarely define continents primarily politically, Georgia and to a lesser extent Armenia and Azerbaijan are increasingly in the 21st century politically oriented towards Europe, but Armenia has a great cultural diaspora to the south, and Azerbaijan shares a cultural affinity with the Turkic countries of Central Asia

[ST Dragon]

Looks like someone made the socialists cry again.

Leading on from a conversation I had earlier on IRC, I present you with a simple guide of left to right, as seen by people on the left:

Communist
Left wing
Centre-left
Centre
Nazi
Nazi
Nazi

What a massive overreaction.

That`s not how I see things. If you care to explain how Golden Dawn are not fascists, I`ll be more than happy to listen.

and I don’t give jack-squat what your slave-like slavic disoriented, ex “comrades” neo-nazis do

What a shame. Russian chauvinist filth of all shapes and sizes seem to be cheering for Golden Dawn. What a letdown it would be if they learnt what you think of them. Oh, well. Guess a far-right International is not going to be convened any time soon.

Well don't worry, we could send them this talented "international socialist" instead:



The current president of the Socialist International is the former Prime Minister of Greece George Papandreou.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_International

I hope you won`t mind if I leave the rest of your brain diarrhea uncommented until you`ve learnt how not to use ethnicity, nationality and sexual orientation as slurs, okay? Nah, I`m just trying to be funny here. Why would I expect that from a nationally conscious, flag obsessing far-right warrior. Just don`t cry like a little bitch when you`ll run into a mob of Antifa, KNE and PAME militants.

Ahhahah!! ROFL!!!

No wait! You mean these poor pathetic chaps and their illegal immigrant slaves?!!

KKE / KNE leader & wanna-be "militant" watchdogs in "action"


Illegal immigrant PAME slaves / future voters


Illegal immigrant "socialist" PASOK party slaves / future voters


Antifa anarchist "tough-guys" busted, photoshopped & rediculed!








Or perhaps this anarchist antifa little bitch trouble-maker, who was squealing like a little girl when "he" got busted?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w15ALLIiYM

And here we see a mob of antifa anarchist cowards, getting their ass kicked and in retreat, by one single nationalist from Golden Dawn!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GPEQzmaLXE

But I could bet money that you have connections with Greece...

[ST Dragon]

UK is still very much a G7 nation, with a fleet of fully nuclear tactical subs.

Greece is just somewhere I get my feta and olives from, and read about in the papers as the first major € project basketcase. 60 years on from WWII, a united Germany basically runs central Europe.



1946

Len Deighton was right.

I see you people never got over your pain & complexity of losing your backward empire for good. Any Russian tactical nuclear bomber could flatten that small dark & cold insignificant island of yours and turn it into a parking lot within an hour.

[ST Dragon]

Actually many Greek people were not eager to reap any benefits, nor did they borrow loans from banks, or wanted to live "large" (including my self), so they're not responsible for the situation nor should they pay merkel and her masters.

So who should pick up the tab instead? The German taxpayer? Of course all along this was the reason Greece was so eager to be in the EU...

The Greek people are very much responsible for what has happened to their country, they are the ones who kept the corrupt politicians in power, enjoying the tax breaks, 14 monthly pension payments a year, useless national prestige projects like the Olympics, etc. and never thinking it might be a bit odd that every election is a choice between somebody named Papandreou or Karamanlis.

But of course it's always easier to blame the others. US geopolitics, German business, puny and weak little Albania and Mecedonia, and of course the Turks.

Maybe it's time the Greeks had a good look at Turkey and check out what the country has been doing in the last ten years to build a sustainable economy with strong industrial output and growth. You can probably learn a lot from them!

Well, the only thing we've got to say about all that is...



and to germany and to the EU included.

[Obiwanshinobi]

The moment I read about the Greece vs Makedonia cheesefight of "whose" Alexander the Great was, I got an impression that the more Balkans change, the more they stay the same.
You don't hear of Sardinians kicking up a fuss about sardonic smile, or any Semites making Moloch their mascot.

[ST Dragon]

The moment I read about the Greece vs Makedonia cheesefight of "whose" Alexander the Great was, I got an impression that the more Balkans change, the more they stay the same.
You don't hear of Sardinians kicking up a fuss about sardonic smile, or any Semites making Moloch their mascot.

Yes that's because no one is having any territorial claims against them, unlike these Slavs against Greece today.

And what can we do now?! Alexander spread the Hellenic civilization throughout the world because he was simply Greek, not some slavic / bulgarian / albanian, like the current disoriented citizens of Skopje.

Actually the reason the Balkans are in such a mess today, is due to the partitioning and mess left behind after the 400 years of ottoman turk dark-ages & occupation.

But there is no such thing as a Greece Vs Makedonia confict. Makedonia has been Greek since antiquity to begin with, so why would we be fight our own country men?
There is a beautiful Greek province called Makedonia in Northern Greece (even the name Makedonia is Greek and it means "tall one" / "high lands"), the royal tombs of Macedon are located there in the ancient city of Vergina and the ancient capital Pella, are both full of ancient marble inscriptions & statues written in Greek. And Not in some slavic serbo-bulgarian dialect spoken by a bunch of disoriented lying Slavs with an identity crisis, who invaded the northern regions of Paeonia / Dardania in the 6th Century A.D almost 1000 years after Alexander's death and who are now trying to steal their neighbors' history, culture, names, heroes & symbols (yes even from Bulgaria) and turned their capital Skopjia into a never ending circus Disney-land, with modern "ancient" kits statues, just to justify their insignificant fake existence there. These people are Bulgarians Slavs, that simple and they should be proud of it.



Even their ex president Gligorov, in a rare act of honesty, admitted it so publically, when he was begging for enter-ship into the UN back in 1992.



Interestingly enough, until 1940 their region within Yugoslavia was actually called Vardarska, but during the reign of the communist dictator Tito and the upcoming WWII, their region was renamed into Macedonia in order to support his expansive claims against Greece to the Aegean sea and the co-capital of Greece, Thessaloniki (Again in Greek meaning "Victory over the Thessalonians"). Historically that region was never part of the Ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon and was rather called Paeonia / Dardania. But even during that time, the slavs did not even exist in the area!

Paeonia 350 B.C


Dardania 4th A.D


Early stamp from 1940:


Ultimately, they (Slav NOF partisans) were finally defeated & crushed in 1949, along with the Greek communist traitors during the Greek civil war, who's goal was the secession from Greece.

So how could any sane self respecting person accept such lies from these slavs?!

Macedonia is Greek that simple!

[CIT]

and to germany and to the EU included.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[Ed Oscuro]

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

And the Germans should feel the same, in truth. You've been having a lot of fun due to an artificially low currency!

Exactly what benefits, other than the shared currency (and the concomitant lowered barriers to trade), does the shared market actually hold for most Eurozone member countries, anyway?

[dex]

Theoretically, workforce can migrate to places where it's most needed.

Practically, workforce migrates from poorer countries to richer countries.

[ST Dragon]

and to germany and to the EU included.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Sure, pay us back the 400billion Euro debt and compensations you owe us for all the destruction and killings you caused us in WWII and we're even.

[ST Dragon]

Turkey is militaristic rather that Islamistic (a bit like Edo period in Japan rather than South American sort, albeit without caste order).

Like all those anti-war protests yesterday showed?

I think Turkey's leadership is just trying to send a message to Syria over the massive killing of civilians in Syria - they'd like to clean them out but not at the expense of fighting a war which would be bad for many more people (at least so far). Syria has chemical weapons and Iran wants to have nukes, but I don't see that turning into WWIII if something blows up in the next few weeks.

Actually the mass killings of civilians & Christians in Syria are committed by the islamic "rebel" criminals, who are backed up by turkey & saudi arabia and other extremist islamic groups outside Syria, like the al-Qaeda terrorists responsible for the tragic 911 events.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTfsbMai0hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcS8vKteV9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yp46jWanN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYANzOUluwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCEes_hIEj0

Yet the US & EU support these criminals!

Everything for the $$$!!!

[R79]

Well, if China kicks it all off, I guess some of these European factions would have to unite in combat. The absurdity of mankind no less.

Some very offensive content here, yet STG fans elsewhere are being banned for far less? The spirit of icy'calm' lives on!

[CIT]

The spirit of icy'calm' lives on!

icycalm is Greek too. Go figure.