Searching for a Gaming TV

[ryu]

Any opinions on the Panasonic VIERA TC-L37E5? I'm really interested in buying this, but can't find out what kind of input lag it has.

Help!

input lag shouldn't be a problem on that model. the picture quality might be crap though. see:

My recommendation is Panasonic TC-L37E3 or L32. These are Alpha-IPS with low lag (about 1 frame) and no buffering electronics.
Larger screens go into LG territory with buffering and lag. Also they have to be that particular model as they replaced them with cheaper panels

[Phil2]

Hi,i think old trinitron's are the best for gaming...

[Sparda]

hi guys

finally, i'm buying an HDTV...goodbye my old Panasonic Quintrix 16:9....i think my choice will be the KDLHX750....mainly for 360..PS3...watching movies...and later adding an xrgb for my PS2. So.., i would like to know if my choice is a good one or maybe i can choose another model...brand..what about the input lag on the HX750 ?

I own 3 PVM and some Trinitron CRT for retrogaming and emulation on Xbox1 is perfect too for 8/16 bits

[zaphod]

I've gotten really frustrated with trying to game on HD TVs now.

FOr starters, i think the best bet is 720p native,not 1080p, because not all games output 1080p, so if you are using a ps3, you are kinda screwed (the xbox360 has a very fast scaler inside it to output at native res). while with many game types the lag frames aren't very noticable, they get me killed in my favorite types. Rhythm games, shmups, and pinball. Just try to flip when the ball is at the end of the flipper on a laggy display.

I will settle for nothing less than sub frame lag. I know of no display that gives it at anything less than game mode native resolution.

[NWrain]

I know the original poster wanted a big TV, but the Eizo Foris 2333 seems like a good video gaming monitor. 1920x1080, advertised 3.5ms input lag, and a IPS panel too.

*The monitor is 23".

[Ed Oscuro]

advertised 3.5ms input lag

Where? They advertise grey-to-grey pixel response as 3.4ms, but they don't say what the input lag is anywhere I've looked.

[NWrain]

I think I mistook response time for lag.

However, according to PRAD.DE, signal delay is 4.6 ms.

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2 ... 9.html#Lag

Flatpanel HD, claims 0-2 ms.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php? ... 1352273669

This website claims 14.4 ms response time.
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/3513/7/ ... -input-lag

I don't know how these websites test lag.

Unfortunately, it doesn't have the component input the OP wants.


edit. Apparently, this monitor takes 480i 15khz signals on the HDMI input. I wonder if it will accept 240P? The manual also states that the HDMI input is compatible with Pal resolutions of 525i to 1125p

[Fudoh]

PRAD and tftcentral.co.uk both use SMTT, which is hands down the best tool available for lag testing (in a PC environment).
http://smtt.thomasthiemann.com/index_en.html

[ryu]

i did some calls to make sure i wouldn't screw myself over by ordering the nec display. good thing i did because it turned out the shop i was about to get it from wouldn't easily take a return on it because they had to place a special order at nec to get the display. so i called nec to get a specification on the input lag and they said it would be 4ms. according to them that was indeed the specification that includes the lag that originates from the video processor as well.

i'm not really sure what to do now... 4ms does sound astronomically low for a large screen lcd, i know nec also does desktop lcds which i think should be much faster than tvs usually. maybe they're using a similar technology for their public displays? the display also can be optionally mounted with a touch screen... i think that should also imply for the unit to have a low input lag, but then i can't be sure.

the display is also advertised as a 60hz display. my guess is that that also implies a low input lag, but again i can't be sure. does anyone with more experience in monitors think it's worth the risk?

just.. argh.

[neorichieb1971]

Another thread where 2 pages of wondering what to get, when you would probably be happy with the first one you saw in the shop.

Go to the store, plug your console in, if you can see an image and control your space ship in the manner in which you feel is acceptable. If you get that far, pay the man and take it home. Viola.

In fact, for my benefit, plug your console into every single TV and let me know the lag differences. Because of course, its so obvious to the naked eye that its going to affect gameplay dramatically. No matter what the lag, I guarantee you'll take to the TV like a duck to water. You'll be blowing shit up in no time.

If you persist on the lag experiment. Make sure also that you can see an image from the sides, it can rotate, has enough inputs. If your going to watch Tv on it, it will likely have crappy post processing since the lag is almost zero, so make sure you get one with game mode. You'll probably find, that after you've ticked off all those boxes the cheapest model is $1000.

If your budget isn't anywhere near that, you'll likely get something that doesn't tick all the boxes.

I can tell you one thing. What your doing here is like buying a car without a test drive. Its madness! Its your money though.

[ryu]

i just can't check the nec out in a shop, that's it. i'm aware that input lag shouldn't be much of a problem with most of the recent tvs, but i'm looking into a public display after all and i haven't been able to find much information on these online.
anyways, called the customer support of the shop i'd buy it from again. there was a misunderstanding before, so i actually wouldn't get problems with retruning it in case it wouldn't suit my needs. i'll just order the damn thing now

[neorichieb1971]

Well I hope it suits all your wants and needs.

I've never got into the lag debate when buying a TV. I've just gone with one that got good reviews, test run at the store then bought it online lol. NEC make monitors don't they? So you asked about a TV and bought a monitor

[ryu]

So you asked about a TV and bought a monitor

I didn't create this thread

[NWrain]

Ryu, what model did you order?

[ryu]

Ryu, what model did you order?

nec p402

[ryu]

i got the nec p402 today. it took me a while to set it up and check it out properly, but i'm really satisfied with what i've seen so far. colours and contrast on it are great. it just lacks a proper black i'm afraid, as it'll still output a very dark grey even at 0 brightness and 0 backlighting. i'm fine with this though, since the tubes i've used so far weren't much better in that regard anyways.
the input lag on this display seems to be incredibly low. just check this here:



and that's on the hdmi input. i didn't even do any further checks on the other inputs after this. i only played around with the telecine setting (which i thought would be the motion interpolation on this display), but couldn't see any differences. what i learned only after put aside the pc tube is that the monitor actually has a setting for turning deinterlacing on and off - which was turned off, so that might explain the low input lag. though i'm still not sure if it's really as low as that picture might suggest. the crt tube i used for comparison is a fairly "recent" one from 2006, so that might have some small amounts of processing lag itself (for example it got an adaptive contrast setting).

the analog inputs take 15khz, but that doesn't look too good and somehow won't allow for a 4:3 aspect ratio setting. 480p looks nice on it, but the vp30 produces a picture that's still quite a bit sharper. 240p through the vp30 looks pretty good on the p402 too, not nearly as good as it does on my pvm imo, but now i won't have to scream internally any longer when i've got visitors demanding that everything be played on the large screen.

[NWrain]

Thank you ryu for testing that that monitor! 5ms input lag is very impressive. My next big screen TV replacement will probably be a digital signage monitor.

[ryu]

Thank you ryu for testing that that monitor! 5ms input lag is very impressive. My next big screen TV replacement will probably be a digital signage monitor.

like i said, that seems unlikely to be the actual input lag on the display. i -think- that the deinterlacing setting doesn't really deactivate the deinterlacing processing, but is a setting to change between a field scaling and a less shaky deinterlacing mode. according to fudoh most to all lcd displays with 480i support should always have at least about 2 frames of lag. maybe this one's actually different though...
i'll do some further check-ups when i'm home today though. didn't have much time yesterday and haven't even done a direct comparison to the pvm for low res games yet.

edit: indeed, the monitor will deinterlace interlaced materials anyways, even if the deinterlacing is set to off. in any case the deinterlacing is applied to 240p signals as well, so the deinterlace function should be turned on for those as well because if it's set to off the picture will be really blurry and look like one of those bad emulation filters.

240p through the vp30 looks pretty good on the p402 too

scratch that, it looks great! makes me wonder if i should get a framemeister after all.

the only problem i have with the monitor is that the panel has a lot of impurity issues. most of these are only noticable when i'm standing directly before the panel on a purely black screen though, so it's not that bad. worse is that it has alot of banding, but that usually only shows on spots with a particularly low level of brightness and is not that noticable and can almost always be alleviated by decreasing the brightness setting.

all in all i'm perfectly satisfied. i'd just be nice if it had some more hdmi inputs though, so i might have to buy a switch sometime