Where to buy a SNES?

[brownvim]

Could anyone please point me in the right direction to buy a super nintendo thats NTSC and has RGB connection?

I want to play Super Street Fighter 2!

iv read the Snes 2/Snes mini/Snes jr is the best one to get

[RaidenViper]

iv read the Snes 2/Snes mini/Snes jr is the best one to get

Now I'm curious. Where did you read this?

[brownvim]

Was reading a forum, gonna have to check my history to find it again.

There's a dude that's owned every snes hardware edition released, he collects them and said the snes mini is best due to the picture quality, modded for RGB. He's compared them all apparently.

[RaidenViper]

With the model 1 I believe you can use a RGB scart cable without any modding. At least that's how it works on the Japanese model.

To answer your first question, Ebay or other auction sites is probably the easiest but not cheapest way to pick up a SNES.
But I'm sure someone in the trading section could hook you up with one for a fair price.

[Zapf]

-Check the xrgb mini thread for the good spreadsheet of snes serial # / internal revisions.
-Ask every ebay seller with a non yellowed snes, with a molded eject button (instead of printed) for the serial # of their snes. Grab one that has a serial # that would be in the range of one of the snes 1chip models.
-This is going to take a while and half of the people are not going to answer, because its ebay.

[antron]

That thread is 62 Pages, any idea about where it is? Thanks

[blizzz]

The list is here. Good luck in finding one, I'm still searching for a 1CHIP...

[Zapf]

I found at least 3, but they were all from more expensive vendors

[brownvim]

Iv found a pal one on eBay that's been modded to play USA/JAP 60hz and has RGB. Might go for it, it's not a mini though.

[blizzz]

I found at least 3, but they were all from more expensive vendors

I'm hoping for a ~20€ one, more expensive ones for 80-120€ incl. shipping aren't rare.

Iv found a pal one on eBay that's been modded to play USA/JAP 60hz and has RGB. Might go for it, it's not a mini though.

The modded PAL consoles are older revisions that have a slightly worse RGB output. They also don't output pure sync (only with NTSC consoles and special cables) and the 60Hz of PAL consoles are slightly slower than on original NTSC versions. If you want to play on a CRT TV that's good enough, but if your goal is scaler + LCD you might want to search for a 1CHIP NTSC.

[brownvim]

Damn, how much slower? I thought it would run the same...

[brownvim]

@RaidenViper

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/sh ... S-revision

Thats the forums where i read about the snes mini being the better revision, post #3 by JimmyCrackCorn

[blizzz]

Damn, how much slower? I thought it would run the same...

Not a big difference, just ~1%. It's hardly noticable if you play.

Original: 60.01 fps
My PAL SNES@60HZ: 59.56 fps

@RaidenViper

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/sh ... S-revision

Thats the forums where i read about the snes mini being the better revision, post #3 by JimmyCrackCorn

That post says that the 1CHIP is the best... 1CHIP-02 gets rid of the vertical bars.

[brownvim]

Damn, how much slower? I thought it would run the same...

Not a big difference, just ~1%. It's hardly noticable if you play.

Original: 60.01 fps
My PAL SNES@60HZ: 59.56 fps

@RaidenViper

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/sh ... S-revision

Thats the forums where i read about the snes mini being the better revision, post #3 by JimmyCrackCorn

That post says that the 1CHIP is the best... 1CHIP-02 gets rid of the vertical bars.

He said "the 1CHIP model is undoubtedly the one to get. But if picture quality is your #1 concern, definitely get the mini and RGB/s-video mod it. "

1% i can handle, most likely play it on a CRT, thanks for that. Iv gone ahead and bought it, it has switches on the side for region and Hz, already bought it so no idea what serial number it has, waiting for him to let me know. Thanks for the input guys, im sure other people will find it useful.

[RGB32E]

That post says that the 1CHIP is the best... 1CHIP-02 gets rid of the vertical bars.

I have a 1CHIP-01 and 1CHIP-02 (and several other revs too). Both have the vertical bar issue, its just that the bar isn't as visible on -02, but theres more noise in the image overall. I just tested this with my xrgb-mini using FFIII. Other than the intro, the bar doesn't seem to show up. YMMV!

[blizzz]

I can vouch that the SNS-1CHIP-02 has the awesome 1CHIP video quality *and* does NOT have that ugly thick vertical bar!
Now I wonder what, if anything, the 1CHIP-03 can improve upon?

I thought he meant that the bar is gone completely. Good to know that it's just less prominent.

[RGB32E]

With the XRGB-mini and the 1CHIP-01 with FFIII the vertical bar is shown, and the whole image to the right of the bar is noisy (seems to be a XRGB-mini noise sensitivity issue). With the 1CHIP-02 the vertical bar is much fainter, but the whole picture is noisy. I'm sure tweaking the A/D level on the mini could reduce the picture noise though. I SPDIF modded my 1CHIP-01 with a CS8406, but I don't think that caused any additional issues, and +5VDC to power the SPDIF circuit was tapped right from the main votage regulator in the system. (+10VDC from AC Adapter -> +5VDC). I've also wondered if the large filter cap nintendo dropped in many later revisions would make any difference to add. I recall seeing the vertical bar with my CPU-01 system, so that probably wouldn't help to add, and it doesn't bypass the +5VDC from the voltage regulator.

I haven't revisited my RGB-modded SNES mini yet (need to find it). I might just have mod a second SNES mini I have sitting around! I just wonder how hot the heat shield in the mini gets as I'd like to try running wires under it for the shortest possible connection to the SNES multi av connector. It might be worth desoldering the SNES connector and bending the RGBS pins straight so that I wouldn't have to run the RGBS signals under the PCB to connect them. I'm also curious to try connecting ferrite beads with the mini mod (75 ohm resistor -> ferrite bead -> SNES multi av connector pin).

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/e ... -ND/136972

[antron]

I'd really like to know which models have the Component Video capable encoders.

[brownvim]

Just an update lads, got my SNES today. Love it!

My TV does a good job scaling the picture and removing the noise, I was impressed. Looks smooth and I cant see the white line that was mentioned either. Cant imagine how good it would look if I bought a mini framemeister

I bought the new flash cart "Super UFO Pro 8" which has worked great so far but I need to buy Super Mario Kart to enable DSP 01 games.

Thanks for your help again, appreciate it.

[blizzz]

My TV does a good job scaling the picture and removing the noise, I was impressed. Looks smooth and I cant see the white line that was mentioned either. Cant imagine how good it would look if I bought a mini framemeister

I bought the new flash cart "Super UFO Pro 8" which has worked great so far but I need to buy Super Mario Kart to enable DSP 01 games.

Are you using an LCD or CRT TV? My LCD needs to deinterlace the picture which adds additional delay. CRTs are always fine with older consoles and won't show noise (the way LCDs do).

You don't really need to bother with special chips on the UFO Pro 8. DSP and CX4 work, but when you have the original games anyway why bother with a flash card? SuperFX has problems (I can only boot the dump with the original copy of the same game) and SA-1 support doesn't exist even if they advertised it. There are also several different revisions of the chips which make it more luck based than anything else. The only good feature is that you can save your savefiles on SD card, but it wiped my Yoshi's Island save when I plugged it in, so I wouldn't really risk it. And I'm not the only one who lost his saver.

[brownvim]

I'm using a Panasonic plasma TXP50VT20, I turned the P-NR setting on max and all the noise was pretty much gone. I can't feel any input lag but then my tv was reviewed to have really low lag around 17ms.

I love this forum, thanks for the info, I'm gonna get my cousins CRT later this week and have a blast on that.

Iv never owned a snes, in that era I had a megadrive. Me and my cousin would goto each others house as he had a snes.

[theclaw]

Damn, how much slower? I thought it would run the same...

Not a big difference, just ~1%. It's hardly noticable if you play.

Original: 60.01 fps
My PAL SNES@60HZ: 59.56 fps

@RaidenViper

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/sh ... S-revision

Thats the forums where i read about the snes mini being the better revision, post #3 by JimmyCrackCorn

That post says that the 1CHIP is the best... 1CHIP-02 gets rid of the vertical bars.

He said "the 1CHIP model is undoubtedly the one to get. But if picture quality is your #1 concern, definitely get the mini and RGB/s-video mod it. "

1% i can handle, most likely play it on a CRT, thanks for that. Iv gone ahead and bought it, it has switches on the side for region and Hz, already bought it so no idea what serial number it has, waiting for him to let me know. Thanks for the input guys, im sure other people will find it useful.

The SNES mini was a strict NTSC only release. That would be why you don't know much about it.
Actually has superior RGB inside than large SNES models, even though it's not connected to an output.

[brownvim]

Got my cousins CRT he was gone throw out, hooked the snes up.

Nothing beats the responsiveness of a CRT and retro wired controllers.
That's the gaming I grew up with, I find the latest games lacking in that sense.