Peter Jackson's Great 48 FPS Experiement

[Obiwanshinobi]

I think the first live-action porn I saw was literally a piece of film stock (16 mm I suppose) found in a stack of autumn leaves. Very unusual kind of garbage. I have no idea why could it be there (amateur recordings would have been most likely VHS at the time).

[MJR]

Someone up the thread stated that 48fps is a distraction. It can't be more of a distraction than 3D. That was distraction beyond all distractions. Well, apart from someone using a phone in front of you.

I saw it, and it did distract me, because I am not used to it. 3D never distracted me as much.

How about you watch the film in 48fps first, and then post here. Right now you are just making assumptions, and that is not very useful.

I would like to know how other people felt after watching it, not what they think they might feel when watching it.

[cools]

At points it felt more faithful to book than with LOTR, though there were some changes that were as aggravating as with LOTR.

But that was to be expected.

Thanks. You had my hopes up with the first half of that sentence, then the comma crushed them. Won't be watching it any time soon.

LOTR (the movie trilogy) was a twee farce, I don't want to be spouting vitriol at the screen at what has been done to The Hobbit.

Also:

It's too bad I can't find the original Wayne's World SNL Sketch opening sequence on Youtube.

I've been trying to track down the Wayne's World MTV Special for years, after the VHS we had gave up the ghost.

[Casey120]

3D is so fucking awesome and relaxing if you have a separate screen for each eye, I haven't been in a movie theater since I have my Sony HMD but I'm tempted so see the 48 FPS .

[MJR]

Thanks. You had my hopes up with the first half of that sentence, then the comma crushed them. Won't be watching it any time soon.

LOTR (the movie trilogy) was a twee farce, I don't want to be spouting vitriol at the screen at what has been done to The Hobbit.

If you hated LOTR, then you WILL hate this, don't even bother watching it. I loved LOTR, though I was bit annoyed at times, but never enough to not love it. I was too distracted by the framerate to love hobbit, so I will watch it again in 24fps and then make my mind. But it felt pretty good to me.

What really pleased me was that most of the key dialogue, all the songs and the riddles were kept as they were in the book.

This is what I meant when I said it was more faithful to the book, this time. But they also changed few things which annoyed me.

[GaijinPunch]

I've been trying to track down the Wayne's World MTV Special for years, after the VHS we had gave up the ghost.

Well, I'm sure it will be a schwiiing-worthy find if you find it.

Back on topic, would recommend reading the LoTR books after having seen the movies (many times)? I'm not a huge reader. I did tread The Hobbit though.... very recently.

This is what I meant when I said it was more faithful to the book, this time. But they also changed few things which annoyed me.

They leave in that Goblin threesome scene?

[burgerkingdiamond]

Someone up the thread stated that 48fps is a distraction. It can't be more of a distraction than 3D. That was distraction beyond all distractions. Well, apart from someone using a phone in front of you.

I saw it, and it did distract me, because I am not used to it. 3D never distracted me as much.

How about you watch the film in 48fps first, and then post here. Right now you are just making assumptions, and that is not very useful.

I would like to know how other people felt after watching it, not what they think they might feel when watching it.

If anyone has ever watched a Blu-ray on a newer TV with a motion interpolation feature they already know what it's going to look like. Personally, I know that I wouldn't be able to sit through a whole movie of it.

[GaijinPunch]

Can you disable motion interpolation on newere TVs I hope?

[dan76]

Can you disable motion interpolation on newere TVs I hope?

Yes you can. I think it looks awful. Cheap is the word. I've had two friends ask me to look at their tv's because it "looked rubbish" and both times it was the interpolation.

Some people like it - wtf.

[GaijinPunch]

Some people like it - wtf.

Not to take geek to the next level, but these are the people that probably think playing Legend of Zelda on an LCD is awesome.

[cools]

Back on topic, would recommend reading the LoTR books after having seen the movies (many times)? I'm not a huge reader. I did tread The Hobbit though.... very recently.

Not sure. I'm definitely in the minority with my preferences here - The Hobbit is a better read than any of LOTR, and *the* most crucial part of the story as far as I'm concerned. My imagination renders an extremely intimate and gritty tale than the films do, which are overacted theatrical fluff - the only scene that I actually thought passed muster was Gandalf's "You shall not pass!".

[burgerkingdiamond]

Can you disable motion interpolation on newere TVs I hope?

Yes. On my TV I just put it in "Game Mode" or I can go into the menu and specifically disable the motion interpolation (different manufactureres have different names for the feature) directly.

[burgerkingdiamond]

Back on topic, would recommend reading the LoTR books after having seen the movies (many times)? I'm not a huge reader. I did tread The Hobbit though.... very recently.

Not sure. I'm definitely in the minority with my preferences here - The Hobbit is a better read than any of LOTR, and *the* most crucial part of the story as far as I'm concerned. My imagination renders an extremely intimate and gritty tale than the films do, which are overacted theatrical fluff - the only scene that I actually thought passed muster was Gandalf's "You shall not pass!".

The Hobbit is definitely my favorite compared to LOTR. It's written much more succinctly and it's more lighthearted(?) (I don't know exactly the word I'm looking for. Maybe it's just a feeling of nostalgia I get. It's one of the first books I read when I was growing up. I was in 1st or 2nd grade I think).

LOTR in my opinion is sort of long winded and Tolkien goes overboard with descriptions of secenery and background stuff. It gets kind of tedious.

[neorichieb1971]

I don't think i'm gonna be able to watch in 48fps for a long long time. Our cinemas are broke so I don't think any new tech they will need to display it will be bought unfortunately. To be honest I am surprised a lot of you have cinemas geared up for it.

Without assuming too much, do cinemas need different projectors for this or is it just a firmware upgrade or something?

[njiska]

I don't think i'm gonna be able to watch in 48fps for a long long time. Our cinemas are broke so I don't think any new tech they will need to display it will be bought unfortunately. To be honest I am surprised a lot of you have cinemas geared up for it.

Without assuming too much, do cinemas need different projectors for this or is it just a firmware upgrade or something?

Firmware update for most modern projectors.

Here's a list of theatres playing it in various formats:

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/11 ... lby-atmos/

[neorichieb1971]

Thats me out then, the nearest one is London.

[Obiwanshinobi]

Digital-only, huh? Oh I guess it makes very little difference on the level we're talking about, but I still can't get accustomed to the extensive digital post-processing in live action films (yeah, I know stuff shot on film stock has been digitally post-processed for quite a while). Amélie was the worst so far (I happend to watch it having just watched Delicatessen twice in a theater and I did not like the difference).

[GaijinPunch]

Thats me out then, the nearest one is London.

Their listings for Tokyo are not complete. They only list the IMAX theater. Toho Roppongi Hills has it in HFR, HFR 3D, and 2D. None are listed.

[GaijinPunch]

Actually, checking the Hobbit's J-webpage, a fraction of the places are showing HFR... I think only 5 cinemas in Tokyo, which isn't a huge surprise. It wasn't until 2005 that Tokyo (greater Tokyo, anyway) had any cinema resembling something even close to the high end the states had. Roppongi Hills broke that mold in 2004 I believe it was.

It's also worth noting, some theaters aren't listed, so who the fuck knows.

[njiska]

Yeah, the list is sight maintained, so it's not complete. I'm trying to find a place showing it in HFR with the Dolby Atmos mix. Looks like I found one theatre, but can't verify.

[jugemscloud]

earthsea quartet (ursula le guin) > unfinished tales (the tale of beren and tinuviel is the best of all of tolkiens middle earth tales a real close second is the arrival of morgoth in middle earth quenta silmarillion) > quenta silmarillion (i really dont like the christian/catholic allegory but is far more interesting than LOTR) > hobbit > LOTR > bakshi animated versio > LOTR (peter jackson)

i love how characters outwith elven culture and readers have no real understanding of middle earth and its own creation due to elven history and middle earth history, and the relative obscurity and unfinished state of quenta silmarillion at the time or tolkien's death, the thing that always gets me is that gandalf isn't a wizard he's only refered to as such by unknowing persons within the books i.e. everyone apart from the elves and aragorn, essentially he's an angel from the second highest choir (literally a choir/ochestra in its conception).

sorry to go OT, man i want to see a talking hedgehog is tom bombadil the battle rapper in it?

[Drum]

The Bakshi animated version isn't better than the filth in my keyboard.

[Obiwanshinobi]

quenta silmarillion (i really dont like the christian/catholic allegory but is far more interesting than LOTR)

So you can imagine the way I feel about Half-Life 2 and Metroid Prime. Not bad games, but... you know.
Meanwhile, in Terminator 3: Claire Danes > Arnold Schwarzenegger > Kristanna Loken > mecha design > the protagonist and his off-screen voice.

[jugemscloud]

i rate the bakshi version as being better as its a bit of fun and doesnt take itself seriously, it just tells a story in its own way.

jacksons version on the other hand tries to be all encompasing but fails before they've even left the shire. one of the most cruicial things in the book is the encounter with the barrow wright, in which we see for the first time the inherent bravery of either (dependant on your view) frodo and his ancestry or the hobbits as a race, which is referred to throughout lotr and the hobbit. this and the enounter and events surrounding tom bombadil foreshadows very subtly two of the main fighting forces outwith the main races portrayed - the men of dunharrow and the ents, in the films they just come off as deus ex machinas. dont even get me started on the characterization of boromir and farmir and the events not depicted surrounding them which is some of the most crucial information surrounding the men of gondor and typifying mankinds continuing estrangement from the elves which is one of the main themes throughout all of the novels and the particular case of boromir foreshadowing denethors downfall also which in the film is used as a really cheap suspense device. edit - in short this version is one of the most unjustly lauded action films ever created, particularly given the source material and the themes of human nature that it explores.

i haven't played hl2 and only about 30-50% of prime 1, though i was aware of it in both them but haven't heard that its as in your face as it is in quenta silmarillion

[antron]

C: If you really want to make a fair comparison than stop trying to compare this to the SD/HD debate, because that's just pointless and not even close to the same thing. Film has always been better than HD in terms of resolution so the point is moot.

I was surprised to learn this. Perhaps it was the theater in my small town that butchered every movie I saw in the 80's and 90's. So for me, and those similarly situated, maybe it is a fair comparison. It looks more real, more often, because of higher overall quality.

I remember the first time I saw true high quality HD. I kept distracting myself thinking how real it looked. I don't do that anymore.

[Obiwanshinobi]

How in you face it is depends on your provenance I guess. To me, all heroes coming from the US have messianic (for lack of a better word) traits, especially the long johns wearing sort. Bear in mind that even Conan the Archetype gets crucified in a Howard book and Milius film.
Prime is fascinating at that as the franchise is Japanese, but you can tell the game isn't without reading the staff roll. It's hardly ever THAT obvious. Didn't GTAIII&VC sell better than Prime 1&2 in Japan too?

[jugemscloud]

the conan thing though can probably be shrugged off as a historical typification, being that it was the time of barbaric clans etc and was an easy device to use allegorically, highlight the savage things done unto others and show conan's conanishness.

in regards to prime, fps' have never had that strong a following in japan which probably had more to with it than a western dev team and their cultural influence upon storyline. particularly around the early 2000s where other genres were already well established and fps' and sandbox games were just starting to come to the fore as the draw for the mass market casual gamer. sandbox in particular around that time was the new thing which probably explains the sales slant as well as the dominance of the ps2, also theres not really any other games series around that time that i would associate as readily with the ps2 other than maybe pes/winning 11.

with quenta silmarillion i was meaning its more all encompasing rather than a singular event or very rough parallels. it was intentional and the are a lot of other religions and belief systems allegorized but i dont have a particular fondness of abrahimic/creationist religion.

this is starting to go way ot now and im just making words up i think. but hey more interesting than 48fps but thanks for the heads up on it being meh one of my mates was trying to get me to go to the imax to see it but i think i'd rather see it in the classic cinema where i can get a beer.

[njiska]

I was surprised to learn this. Perhaps it was the theater in my small town that butchered every movie I saw in the 80's and 90's. So for me, and those similarly situated, maybe it is a fair comparison. It looks more real, more often, because of higher overall quality.

I remember the first time I saw true high quality HD. I kept distracting myself thinking how real it looked. I don't do that anymore.

I think there's two big differences why it looks "better". First at home you're watching the footage on a much smaller screen. More detail in a smaller area always tends to look better. I think it's because your eye can take in more than once. The second point is that Blu-ray and HD broadcasts are cleaned from the theatrical print, especially when talking about older films, so they'll look better.

[Obiwanshinobi]

To be fair it's just that when I tried to think of at least one American hero I'm fond of who is not blatantly "Christian", only Conan came to my mind and I IMMEDIATELY remembered he was literally crucified, hence "even".
Metroid has never been particulary popular in Japan from what I know (not that Prime was exactly the game where anybody seeked their FPS kicks). GTA, on the other hand, seems to strike a chord with Japanese game devs at least (see Steambot Chronicles and FF Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers). Now this is what I call "off-topic".

[GaijinPunch]

Saw it. Looked like some scenes were filmed in 24fps and played at 48fps. For some scenes it worked, but not enough for me to recommend.