Some pornography for fudoh and fagin...

[Fudoh]

The material stored on laserdiscs is NATIVE composite, so any other output than composite will be running through a comb filter anyway. Best way to hook up a LD player is Player via composite > comb filter > video processor. The comb filter on the VP20 is ok, but not great.

A comb filter the part which splits composite video up into luma and chroma for further processing.

[Pyongyang]

Ah come on now Mr. Fudes! I have to buy something else now?!

Is this a comb filter?

[Fudoh]

If you want to read up on it:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1148195/best- ... our-gloves

[audiodane]

Or how about the Kimber Select KS-6068? A handsome 3.5m speaker cable that weighs in at a plump, handsome, but not overly cheeky £21,387.57 / €26,450 / US$34,235 (or roughly over £5000 / €6200 / US$8000 per metre).

Home Audio and Home Theater being my passion, I know a few people with these interconnects..

I, however, just use 12awg copper wire. I actually have about 400ft of it strung in the walls of my living room. I have a cabinet under the stairs that I ran multiple sets of wire from to three different locations around the room to support different furniture configurations. Most of it goes unused, but I'm ready for the day my wife wants to mirror the room! There isn't a cable to be seen in the family room.. Speaker wires, video wires, and some spare conduits; and all three termination points have outlets on a single dedicated 30A circuit so I have have plenty of high power amps attached with no problem, and all on a common circuit to reduce ground loop audio/video noise. But of course, I don't actually *have* any uber amps yet.. but I'm ready for them! As soon as someone has one damaged for sale, I MIGHT be able to afford it, open it up, and fix it myself.. That's the story on most of the stuff I have in my system at this point.

Sorry, I digressed..

No, I'm happy out with my lot. The ABT-102 is a beautiful, beautiful thing

It's actually probably the very best 480i deinterlacer out there - system-wide. If it wasn't paired with DVDO's scaling engine, but, let's say, with a Gennum scaling engine, it would be right out the perfect processor.

But is there anything like that out there? I guess technically you could have the DVDO output 480p from 480i, and then feed into a Gennum. But that would be one input.. If you have multiple sources, you'd potentially have to change modes all the time. This scenario would enjoy a DVDO mode of native-resoultion-de-interlace-only, which I don't think it has. And it wasn't designed to pass 1080p reliably either. In speaking with DVDO, it wasn't designed NOT to, but wasn't designed TO pass 1080p, so it becomes a "some will, some won't" situation.

*I* am always looking for the best well-rounded solution. Living room right now is just Wii, BDP, Tivo feeding a DVDO Edge (not Green), feeding my TV (TCP50G10) and audio rack. I love the "auto-switching-input" feature and the output audio routing features (stereo pass through to TV and multi-channel re-route to audio rack). We have our NES feeding straight into an old 14" CRT TV in the kids play area. And I have a VP30+ABT102 for the bedroom where I'll have Tivo, DVD, and GameCube feeding a lesser Toshiba LCD.

Wow, I sound like a real equipment snob now. I promise I'm not!

..dane

[Pyongyang]

Jesus Christ, and I thought Tobias and Fagin had it bad!

So you actually know people that paid the best part of $35,000 for a cable?

[Fudoh]

But is there anything like that out there? I guess technically you could have the DVDO output 480p from 480i, and then feed into a Gennum.

You can do that, yes. In my higher-end reviews (not available on my website) my "dream-team" processor setup is a VP50 (non-Pro) for deinterlacing, a Radiance for scaling and color management and an Edge for sharpness-postprocessing

This scenario would enjoy a DVDO mode of native-resoultion-de-interlace-only, which I don't think it has.

exactly, even if you output at the input resolution (480i/p in, 480p out) the scaling engine's already working. That's why the DVDOs make so poor transcoders (480p YUV input to 480p RGBHV or HDMI).

[audiodane]

Jesus Christ, and I thought Tobias and Fagin had it bad!

What, with the equipment you mean? nah, I don't got it bad.. I just have a hobby that's kind of pricey at times. That said, what I have has been built up over fifteen years of piece-meal updating, as well as plenty (tons, actually) of refurbishing old or broken equipment and selling it to raise funds to other upgrades. I can't afford most of the stuff I have; but if i can pick up a broken audio amplifier for $20, refurb it, and sell it for $200+, then a few of those iterations go towards a DVDO Edge, etc. This is one job I am particularly proud of. Did such a good job the buyer found another one and sent it to me to do the same work on..

Right now I am working to restore a Crate SPA2000 2ch power amplifier. It claims up to 1,000wpc into 4ohm, though I'm not sure I quite believe it (or at least, not at any acceptable level of THD). But for my twin subwoofers recently converted from active to passive (internal amps started humming), it will be sufficient. Bought it for $100 as-is.. At this point I've load tested it to 250wpc into submersible dummy loads sitting in 5gal of icewater with decent results. I still need to touch up solder joints and replace the fans with newer, quieter ones. At 79lbs, though, I don't like moving it around very often.

So you actually know people that paid the best part of $35,000 for a cable?

Well, yes and no. I know people that HAVE some of those cables, but I don't believe I know anyone that PAID that much for those cables.. I do know some folks that will drop several hundreds of dollars for a couple meter cable though. Understanding skin effect (of current flow, not of questionable magazines) causes me to realize it's mostly snake oil. Monster Cables aren't much better, they just don't mark up as badly.

I prefer Monoprice, Parts Express, and Lowes, for most of my cable needs (audio, video, communications, AC-power, speaker, etc).

But is there anything like that out there? I guess technically you could have the DVDO output 480p from 480i, and then feed into a Gennum.

You can do that, yes. In my higher-end reviews (not available on my website) my "dream-team" processor setup is a VP50 (non-Pro) for deinterlacing, a Radiance for scaling and color management and an Edge for sharpness-postprocessing

Wow, yea, that'd be quite a setup. I guess none of these companies likes to work together, which is why there is no "perfect" processor out there. One guy gets deinterlacing right, another guy gets scaling right. Neither want to give in to the other, so neither have a perfect deinterlacer+scaler.. Ahhh, capitalism. that said, I'm not sure a socialist answer would be any better-- "who cares about the quality so long as its equal for everybody. if everyone has stinky video. our job is done."

This scenario would enjoy a DVDO mode of native-resoultion-de-interlace-only, which I don't think it has.

exactly, even if you output at the input resolution (480i/p in, 480p out) the scaling engine's already working. That's why the DVDOs make so poor transcoders (480p YUV input to 480p RGBHV or HDMI).

Oh stoppit. I have been happy for over a year with my modest setup.. Then I come here to sell my spare ABT102 and you succeed in single-handedly crushing my happiness with your talking about DVDO's poor scaling functionality!

I will try to ignore you and re-distract myself with my current Crate amplifier restoration..

..dane

[Pyongyang]

Here's an interesting one for you.

Yesterday I received an HD Fury Gamer Edition. Sure enough replacing the HDMI to VGA converter I used in the existing setup got rid of that horrid yellow tint to the monitor.

However, the HD Fury only works when connected to the HDMI output of the DVDO VP20. If you connect it to the HDMI output of the HDPVR2 the blue led is lit and solid, and a signal is sent to my DELL CRT as the led on that is green and not orange. However all you get is a blank screen and audio.

I wonder if Hauppauge have some measures in place to prevent the HDPVR2 working with these devices? As mentioned before, it works perfectly when connected directly to the output of the DVDO VP20 to the CRT.

Anyone have any ideas?

@audiodane: Nice work on your builds and restorations! I'd love to build my own turntable some day. Or some random amp thing with those lightbulbs all over it. The amp would look like it had a bad case of acne haha!

[fagin]

What's your idea behind using the HDFURY post PVR?

[Pyongyang]

What's your idea behind using the HDFURY post PVR?

Just that the cheapo HDMI > VGA converter I was using put a horrible yellow tint on my CRT display. I picked up an HD Fury for cheap to see really if it would get rid of that horrible tint, which it does.

It doesn't work from the HDPVR2 output though, just a blank screen. So if I ever want to play and capture then I have to use the other converter with the rotten yellow tint.

[Fudoh]

It doesn't work from the HDPVR2 output though, just a blank screen. So if I ever want to play and capture then I have to use the other converter with the rotten yellow tint

just drop the HDPVR2's output completely and use a HDMI splitter after the VP20. Will cost you no more than 15 EUR and it will work fine with the HDFury.

[audiodane]

My first thought jumps to the hdovr not properly / fully supporting HDCP, which the fury may require? I don't know much about either though, so I may be off my rocker..

I have a similar situation in the children's area AVL booth that I operate some Sunday's, where the minidvi out of the iMac doesn't work straight into the HDMI over cat6 quad distribution box, but insert a monoprice HDMI switcher in between the two and all works fine.. Not sure if it's an HDCP thing or an out-of-spec HDMI signal from the iMac.. But it fixed it and I have other things begging for my time so I just left the switcher there..

..dane

Ps-"those light bulbs?" you mean vacuum tubes? I used to have some tube gear.. Tubes are actually how I first taught myself how to understand how transistors work-- tubes are the predecessor to modern day transistors.. A book called "the element of radio," which is an absolute fantastic book, explains it (tubes) very well.. Not overly filled with math, either..