Capcom Classics Collection PSP - inc 2 extra games

[sethsez]

I use Mame, but I've never used it where there's a legitimately available port available (that costs less than £100 for argument's sake). I'm not gonna take money from Capcom's pockets (my argument with Mame has always been that I'll use it if no-one is loosing money on the games I'm playing) but I feel they're pissing in the faces of everyone that bought PS1 Generations 1st time around.

If you were happy with the Generations set, you should have stuck with it and not gotten the new comp. It you weren't pleased with it, you shouldn't have gotten it in the first place. If you were pleased with it but find the new edition to be a worthwhile upgrade, there's no reason to complain.

Honestly, was the publisher of Bruce Campbell's If Chins Could Kill pissing in my face when they released a new edition with a new foward? Was A&E Home Video pissing in my face when they released the complete Monty Python's Flying Circus on DVD even though I already owned it on VHS? These games are Capcom's history, so did you really think that the Generations collection (which never came to America) was going to be the final word on it?

Guess what, these games are going to be released again on the PS3. And again on the system that follows that. And again on the system that follows that. Capcom isn't making them with the intention of reeling back in the people who already bought Generations, or CCC, or whatever else. They're being made for the people who DON'T already own those, and there are many of them. Rereleases of things aren't going to stop as soon as you've got what you want, because there are customers out there who aren't you, who didn't buy the Generations set, who might not buy this set, but down the line might decide they want a classic Capcom comp to play on their PS5. And Capcom will provide it.

[Neon]

If you were happy with the Generations set, you should have stuck with it and not gotten the new comp.

Agreed. You're morally in the clear, having bought Generations new.

Rereleases of things aren't going to stop as soon as you've got what you want, because there are customers out there who aren't you, who didn't buy the Generations set, who might not buy this set, but down the line might decide they want a classic Capcom comp to play on their PS5. And Capcom will provide it.

All well and good, that doesn't make this collection better than Generations, thoe.

Methinks they'll have to redraw the sprites at some point, as the minimum resolutions of systems go up and up. Which wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Honestly, was the publisher of Bruce Campbell's If Chins Could Kill pissing in my face when they released a new edition with a new foward? Was A&E Home Video pissing in my face when they released the complete Monty Python's Flying Circus on DVD even though I already owned it on VHS?

You're missing the point...those versions were improvements. Arguably this collection has little in the way of those. It mostly makes 'em worse.

This collection isn't totally worthless. It's got those extras and a few extra games. And it's cheaper. Horses for courses and whatever. It's still ridiculous that it's worse than the aged Generations on most games (y'know, the part that counts...) which shows a complete lack of effort/understanding on the management's part.

[Moogs]

For $20, now I'm playing Forgotten Worlds with all of the gameplay (enemies+level) intact.

How is the control ?. Did they make use of the 2 analog sticks (one to move the character and the other one to aim) ?

You can use the right analog pad or a 2 button rotate setup for aiming. For directional control you can use the digital or left analog pad. Using right analog for aiming takes some discipline in movement, but after some trial it is fairly dead on accurate.

I remapped rotation to the shoulder buttons. Seems to feel a lot better, but that's just me.

[Turrican]

So what exactly makes these ports worse than the NES version of Ghosts 'n Goblins or the Genesis Ghosts 'n Goblins

They're not worse than the NES ports. They ARE worse than the SS/PSX ports. That's all I'm saying. It's Generations but crappier. As Marc said, if only they could focus on making the games themselves better instead of meaningless extras.

Now wait a minute BrianC. The difference is so huge it's not even funny. Due to technical limitations at time on home systems, o better said, thanks to them the ports were entirely different games, actual recreations, with graphics redone from scratch and such.

This collection aims to offer pixel perfect ports of the arcade games, if it fails, it may be not enough of a reason to bash it, but still it's a whole different thing than NES, PCE games and such.

[dave4shmups]

Well, I just got my XBOX copy today, and I am VERY pleased! Lots of great old-school gaming goodness!

[Moogs]

We should take into consideration that some people didn't have the luxury of having the Capcom Generations packs readily available to us without importing (read: Americans). Oh, sure, we got Capcom Generations Vol. 5 under the guise of Street Fighter Collection 2, but big deal. For us, this is the best old school compilation EVER.

We've got 22 games that are all pretty much high quality, and for $20 at that. Nitpicking this collection just seems a wee bit ridiculous.

[Turrican]

Also, consider that Capcom Generations is far from perfect, since it runs at 50hz.

That, and they managed to screw some games, like Super Ghouls'n Ghosts that has bizzarre sound effects. This is not true for the Japanese generation volumes however.

[BrianC]

Also, consider that Capcom Generations is far from perfect, since it runs at 50hz.

That, and they managed to screw some games, like Super Ghouls'n Ghosts that has bizzarre sound effects. This is not true for the Japanese generation volumes however.

Ahh. I'll skip the European release then.

[dave4shmups]

We should take into consideration that some people didn't have the luxury of having the Capcom Generations packs readily available to us without importing (read: Americans). Oh, sure, we got Capcom Generations Vol. 5 under the guise of Street Fighter Collection 2, but big deal. For us, this is the best old school compilation EVER.

We've got 22 games that are all pretty much high quality, and for $20 at that. Nitpicking this collection just seems a wee bit ridiculous.

Indeed it does. And, on the side of the XBOX port of this collection it says "Capom Classics Collection vol. 1"-so if this puppy sells well enough, we may see more-here's hoping we do!

[Dylan1CC]

According to a poster on TNL boards, the PS2 rev has a trailer for the PSP collection which has trailers for quite a few extra games including (aneurism of joy) 1941 and Varth! Can anyone else confirm the footage of these games in the trailer?

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/show ... 1063512236

oxtsu:

In the trailer -

1941: Counter Attack
Varth
Chariot
Last Duel
Black Tiger
Magic Sword
Captain Commando
Rush'N Crash
Quiz & Dragons
Rooster

[Moogs]

Yeah, from what I could tell all those games were shown in the trailer for the PSP game, which pisses me off.

Like I want to play 1941 on a fuckin' PSP.

Asshole Capcom.

[Thunder Force]

If Varth shows up on the PSP with full Tate mode I'll be more than happy.

[PsikyoPshumpPshooterP]

If Varth shows up on the PSP with full Tate mode I'll be more than happy.

agreed..i couldnt find a better time to buy a psp again

[Neon]

If Varth shows up on the PSP with full Tate mode I'll be more than happy.

agreed..i couldnt find a better time to buy a psp again

You know I like ya, you're a good trader QuadP. But you're going hog wild with the buying/selling. Hog wild. I worry about ya.

Black Tiger is sadly underrated...good news on the port. Now we need it for Japanese PS2...

[PsikyoPshumpPshooterP]

If Varth shows up on the PSP with full Tate mode I'll be more than happy.

agreed..i couldnt find a better time to buy a psp again

You know I like ya, you're a good trader QuadP. But you're going hog wild with the buying/selling. Hog wild. I worry about ya.

Black Tiger is sadly underrated...good news on the port. Now we need it for Japanese PS2...

yeah but now since i toyed around with all aspect of video gaming, i fully settled down with the stuff i know i want and willing to keep. My supergun kept me busy for a while but lost interest real quick after realizing i cant afford such many pcb's and motherboards. The first psp i sold had 3 dead pixels and that really bothered me so i let that one. Im happy with the psp i have now which only made me want to buy it again since emulation has grown progessively and more interesting titles coming out, 2 modded ps2's,modded xbox, and us xbox. I have tested all waters and this wild gaming experience has not left me broke.

back to the psp discussion, im hoping any of the titles will have tate..playing pinball tate on the psp is ultra fun..here's to 1941 tate!!

[BrianC]

Someone on gamefaqs that is supposedly invovled with the game said that all of the games that were previously in Generations are ports of the ones in Generations and that the games in the PSP version haven't been finalized yet.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmes ... 286&page=0

[Bloodreign]

I've gotten the PS 2 Capcom Classics Collection, everything seems in order, no really major bugs, and since I don't have any of the Capcom Generations games, this helps to make that up for me.


All I can say is the collection makes me happy.

[FRO]

I'd buy it for an arcade perfect conversion of Final Fight, but the Sidearms & Strider announcement doesn't hurt!

[Daigoro]

yep, for 20$ this (ps2) collection is nothing to sneeze at.

bring on Vol. 2!

[Dylan1CC]

Someone on gamefaqs that is supposedly invovled with the game said that all of the games that were previously in Generations are ports of the ones in Generations and that the games in the PSP version haven't been finalized yet.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmes ... 286&page=0

Crap, here's a double helpin' 'o hopin' that Varth and '41 make it in. nervous But his reply on the second page regarding what games might not make the cut mainly had to do with old IP rights that have expired and I don't see why either 1941 or Varth wouldn't still be under their ownership.

[Dylan1CC]

Anyone hear "buzz" of any kind of possible release date for this? IGN is the only place I can find a listing and it just says TBA 2005. I'm guessing it will be pushed back to at least early 2006.

[SAM]

No tate, upscaled. Generations encrappified.

It'll be nice if they put out a collection with Black Tiger, though. For something other than PSP.

Not surprised that you neglected to mention the extras that I mentioned in an earlier post in this topic with a source. Those extras aren't in generations. These are actual in game extras like an arranged mode for Mercs.

If you wanted to play 1943, would you:

a.) buy the PSX or Saturn version;

b.) buy this so you can play it in yoko only and upscaled, with emulation glitches, but oh well, at least it's got extras!

It is cheaper, but fuck that. It's a lazy ass job and I'd rather not play more than 2 or 3 games at a time anyways.

SAM's Answer:

c) buy the JAMMA PCB version for only 5,000 yen (~$43). Tate mode, non-interlance, acrade perfact.

[Neon]

Not surprised that you neglected to mention the extras that I mentioned in an earlier post in this topic with a source. Those extras aren't in generations. These are actual in game extras like an arranged mode for Mercs.

If you wanted to play 1943, would you:

a.) buy the PSX or Saturn version;

b.) buy this so you can play it in yoko only and upscaled, with emulation glitches, but oh well, at least it's got extras!

It is cheaper, but fuck that. It's a lazy ass job and I'd rather not play more than 2 or 3 games at a time anyways.

SAM's Answer:

c) buy the JAMMA PCB version for only 5,000 yen (~$43). Tate mode, non-interlance, acrade perfact.

Seems like overkill to me. I don't see any reason why the PSX version wouldn't be arcade perfect with no load times. Saturn maybe a few downsampled sound effects but otherwise the same. And you get Kai and 1942 to go with it.

Kai seems to be a bit better on PC Engine than arcade, but still.

[BrianC]

I have the PS2 Capcom collection. Framerate is fine, gameplay is 100% intact, all shmups can be resized to touch the top and bottom of the screen (at least on my 20 inch TV), and sound is pretty close, though not exact for all games. 1943 is intact. Since the game can be resized to a good size, I don't mind the lack of tate. Even with that fake low res, the games look pretty good too. Seriously, the lack of tate and fake low res doesn't break the games. IMO, the fake low res isn't a breaking point for me since I think it actually helps the games look better in non tate.

I sincerely doubt that these are terrible ports of the Generations games. Tate is missing, but everything else is intact and the music is close. So what if it has fake low res? The detail seems to be intact, all of the games are 100% playable, the gameplay is intact, and there are no major glitches. IMO, the ability to resize the games in the collection makes up for the lack of tate for the vertical games.

[chtimi-CLA]

Okay, can anyone tell me whether this comp will recognize non-Dual Shock controllers? I was extremely angry to discover Namco 50th (also coded by DE) would not load if it did not detect a DS. How in the hell does a developer decide to lock out joysticks from an arcade compilation??? Anyway, considering this pack has three versions of Street Fighter on it, the same decision would be even more disastrous.

incredible.
anyone tested the capcom volume with an arcade stick? i'm mainly interested in trojan and final fight.
also, a big fuck you for not including tate, resize or not.

[Arcatech]

I used the yellow and black Namco stick with this collection and it worked fine. So I'm assuming that any arcade stick will work with it.

Some of the games have crappy high pitched sound. For example play any of the street fighters and listen to the announcer's voice. Ghosts and Goblins also sounds squirrely.

This is just nitpicking but it bugs the hell out of me.

[Neon]

I have the PS2 Capcom collection. Framerate is fine, gameplay is 100% intact, all shmups can be resized to touch the top and bottom of the screen (at least on my 20 inch TV), and sound is pretty close, though not exact for all games. 1943 is intact. Since the game can be resized to a good size, I don't mind the lack of tate. Even with that fake low res, the games look pretty good too. Seriously, the lack of tate and fake low res doesn't break the games. IMO, the fake low res isn't a breaking point for me since I think it actually helps the games look better in non tate.

I sincerely doubt that these are terrible ports of the Generations games. Tate is missing, but everything else is intact and the music is close. So what if it has fake low res? The detail seems to be intact, all of the games are 100% playable, the gameplay is intact, and there are no major glitches. IMO, the ability to resize the games in the collection makes up for the lack of tate for the vertical games.

I'm still waiting for one solid reason why I should buy this scaled up, tateless, and now reportedly crappy-sounding port over Generations. You just keep repeating that the bastardizations don't matter.

[BrianC]

I have the PS2 Capcom collection. Framerate is fine, gameplay is 100% intact, all shmups can be resized to touch the top and bottom of the screen (at least on my 20 inch TV), and sound is pretty close, though not exact for all games. 1943 is intact. Since the game can be resized to a good size, I don't mind the lack of tate. Even with that fake low res, the games look pretty good too. Seriously, the lack of tate and fake low res doesn't break the games. IMO, the fake low res isn't a breaking point for me since I think it actually helps the games look better in non tate.

I sincerely doubt that these are terrible ports of the Generations games. Tate is missing, but everything else is intact and the music is close. So what if it has fake low res? The detail seems to be intact, all of the games are 100% playable, the gameplay is intact, and there are no major glitches. IMO, the ability to resize the games in the collection makes up for the lack of tate for the vertical games.

I'm still waiting for one solid reason why I should buy this scaled up, tateless, and now reportedly crappy-sounding port over Generations. You just keep repeating that the bastardizations don't matter.

That's not what I'm saying at all. Seriously, the games run at full speed, very close to the arcade. The sound glitches are minor. Mostly slightly sped up sound and only on one or two games (and I'm not even sure if Vulgus has sped up sound since the sound is different on Mame than in the free downloadable PC version). It's still aurally pleasing and the sound effects are still timed correctly. I don't see how running the games in this fake low res is any worse than highly pixelated true low res and for the Xbox version that doesn't support true low res, fake low res is needed anyway. A good sized yoko that fills as much of the screen as it can when in the tallest mode is nothing to sneeze at either.

And, a good reason to get this over the European Generations is that the sound is more off in those and the European Generations only runs at 50 Hz (or so I heard). As for a reason to get this over the Japanese Generations, I wouldn't recommend getting it over it, but it's a good alternative if you don't have any of the collections and the six games exclusive to it are well emulated (by my definition that means playable at full speed, no game breaking glitches, gameplay intact, and sound reasonably close). Seriously, this collection is the closest you'll get to arcade perfect Final Fight on console apart from Xbox Mame (does PS2 even have Mame? And at good speed?) and the best legal console emulated version of the game.

BTW, I hate it when sound is off and when there are glitches too, but you know what? I don't let minor things kill a whole collection for me. It's the major things like when both the yoko and tate don't work, an unplayable yoko, speed way too slow or way too fast, majorly off sound like that in SEGA Smash Pack DC, completely off controls, way off physics, and stuff like that that kill a collection for me. I purposely avoided getting MAT2 for PS2 becuase it has some emulation problems that aren't in the GCN version. However, if a collection gets most of the games right and one or two games off, I don't consider the collection worthless, I just avoid playing the poorly emulated games.

[Recap]

I don't see how running the games in this fake low res is any worse than highly pixelated true low res.

You just showed with that line you don't understand what you're speaking about. It's fine if you are happy with ports like these, but don't pretend everybody calls them "perfect" or even "good"; it just speaks about your lack of knowledge on the original versions.

[BrianC]

I don't see how running the games in this fake low res is any worse than highly pixelated true low res.

You just showed with that line you don't understand what you're speaking about. It's fine if you are happy with ports like these, but don't pretend everybody calls them "perfect" or even "good"; it just speaks about your lack of knowledge on the original versions.

So why exactly does fake low res kill the games? From all my experience with it, it doesn't make the games unplayable and it doesn't make the ports crappy. In fact, nobody ever gives me a striaght answer when I try to ask what exactly fake low res is (and to be honest, I'm afraid to ask becuase I'm afraid certain posters here would jump on me and tell me that all of my opinions are invalid. Ironic, isn't it?). All I get is that it's some kind of anti aliasing thing and an attempt to make the games less pixelated. I do know that it can make some things look blurry, but IMO, the games look just fine when the screen is enlarged on my 20'' TV and I have seen some games on a PC screen and in arcades.