World War III

[Ganelon]

Why is this topic cooling down just as the action is heating up? Time to see if the recent Middle East tension is yet another false start or the beginning of something more significant.

[Obiwanshinobi]

I think the world's holding its breath and the sense of helplessness is overwhelming. Israel seems to be... reactionary behind the times.

[neorichieb1971]

I'd put a £100 bet on a new war starting before summer next year.

We have all the ideal settings for a war. Many countries are swimming in debt and don't know how to pay it. We have middle East tensions being renewed as I type. Streets in many cities are regularly being marched on. I tell you what, anarchy is just around the corner.

All because rich bastard countries couldn't say no to lending in the first place. Israel was always at war! I don't even count that as a war, its more like business as usual.


My policies are this -

Greece should have a foreign dictator move in. The world should be de-populated to the amount of which jobs are currently available. You should'nt go to school for a job of your choice, but for a job that needs doing. Surely thats a better world.. Oh, and everyone gets a free house at 18. Anyone convicted of the crime "greed" is executed with immediate effect.

Its not a perfect world and alot of you would suffer. But I didn't ban pony fetishes or porn so there you go.

[trap15]

My policies are this -

Greece should have a foreign dictator move in. The world should be de-populated to the amount of which jobs are currently available. You should'nt go to school for a job of your choice, but for a job that needs doing. Surely thats a better world.. Oh, and everyone gets a free house at 18. Anyone convicted of the crime "greed" is executed with immediate effect.

Its not a perfect world and alot of you would suffer. But I didn't ban pony fetishes or porn so there you go.

COMMUNISM!!1!1!!111

[mesh control]

My policies are this -

FIREBOMB EVERYTHING

[Jonathan Ingram]

Greece should have a foreign dictator move in.

[neorichieb1971]

The thing is with choice, you often vote against something you might eventually like. Because you never tried it you never know if you will like it.

If there is a policy that puts ££££ $$$$$$ in your bank account but outside your front door it looks like a war torn society, or you could have less money in your bank account but have a great "life is greener on this side" sort of life, I am sure you would go with A. Because your blinded by fucking money.

Greece didn't vote for riots, but thats what they got. etc etc.

Everyone think democracy is best. But if you look at what REALLY need to be done. You will see you don't have any choice at all. You can only choose to ignore what needs to be done. Which means the next generations IE your kids, will come along and find the situation 5 x worse than it is today. So carry on folks, keep on fucking up the world.

[Hagane]

In democracy you have very little choice. In a dictatorship, you have none. Lesser evil.

[KAI]

Has anyone here experienced war at first hand?

[xbl0x180]

Has anyone here experienced war at first hand?

In Latin America, pretty much every country was in a Civil War in the 20th century. Maybe you're too young to remember or maybe you didn't live through Argentina's "Dirty War" and the debacle over the Falklands. Having lived around it, does that count as "experiencing war first hand"?

Damn. This looks exactly like Nicaragua, Colombia, Peru, and Guatemala. Just change the local accents and you got the same shit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWjb9HXP ... re=related

[Hagane]

The "dirty war" wasn't a war, it was State terrorism. And Malvinas happened very far away from the urban centers, so most people just watched it on TV.

[xbl0x180]

The "dirty war" wasn't a war, it was State terrorism. And Malvinas happened very far away from the urban centers, so most people just watched it on TV.

I was watching Garage Olimpo and Cronicas De Una Fuga/Bueno Aires '77 and it was very reminiscent of what also going on in the rest of those countries around the same time. I guess the main difference is is that some of those peeps were up to their eyeballs in clandestine torture chambers (with U.S.-trained staff), so they said, "Balls it! We're gonna fuck everyone's shit up!"

[Obiwanshinobi]

In the country where I was born, where I live in my hidden village and where John Paul II is worshipped like Lenin in Russia, the radio just told me that our police caught some people who tried to blow up the parliament. Neo-Nazis, apparently (who made some ruckus on the streets the other day). I don't believe they have any significant combat support within the nation (ethnically rather "clean" country here, "thanks" to uncle Stalin having sorted out what was left after Mr. Hitler's field day), but the story sounds nearly as disturbing as that of Czech lethal booze.

[Jonathan Ingram]

The act was planned by a 45 years old professor from a university in Krakow. He admitted to being a nationalist, an anti-semite and a supporter of Breivik. I wonder what his issue with the already extremely chauvinist Polish state is.

[Obiwanshinobi]

I don't think he has any problem with the state as such. His kind has more of a problem with the people's state of mind. There's no hell waiting to be raised, except there is, but they have no idea how to do it. If we stop working for the foreigners, what job will be left for us to do other than war, and what war is thinkable other than a civil war?
There are troubles to be had; drivers' behaviour at certain points of most traffic-jammed cities during the rush hour is alarmingly violent. I just doubt neo-Nazis can make anything of this anxiety.
For whatever reason, dictatorship unsupported by a foreign army installed all over the place doesn't work in Poland. We didn't have our own Ivan the Terrible so to speak.

P.S. I'm not sure if political correctness is what the Korea thread is about, so I'll try it here.
One of The Doomed City characters said that among Asians, Koreans are perceived not quite unlike Jews by certain European nations. That would suggest some kind of cultural seclusion. So today (or was it yesterday?) I thought "what if Israel was as excruciatingly divided as Korea is?" Then I thought "well, isn't it pretty much the way Israel is?"

[ST Dragon]

Meanwhile in Greece...

Fear and loathing in Athens: the rise of Golden Dawn and the far right

In austerity-ravaged Greece, neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn is on the rise. Their MPs give fascist salutes, while on the streets black-shirted vigilantes beat up immigrants. And some of their most enthusiastic supporters are in the police

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oc ... intcmp=122

Just a few years ago these guys were a bunch of marginals with no popular support. Now they are viewed positively by 20-25% of the population based on recently conducted surveys. Their popularity increased three-fold in the past six months alone. They can`t match the Greek radical left in terms of street presence just yet, but it`s just a matter of time if things keep up like that.

Good I sure hope so!
Golden Dawn is the only true Greek patriotic party that actually cares for Greece and are not traitors, like all the other political scum, who have governed Greece for the past 40 years and brought all this austerity / crisis & the IMF & practically sold-off the entire country to foreigners in the name of globalization and multi-cultularalism.

And that article is a load of garbage. Golden Dawn is not a neo-nazi party! Its a nationalistic Greek party that has nothing to do with Hitler's theory or the WWII Italian fascists of Mussolini. They simply support the Greek interests above all and not some rich family or corporation who are the real puppet players of the global political scene. It was actually the Greek nationalists of Ioannis Metaxas who stood up against the fascists & nazi invaders in 1940 that tried to invade Greece through Albania, kicked their asses, wiped the floor with their faces and sent them back packing to Italy. And it was the same nationalists who fought and crushed the communist / leftist traitors during the Greek civil war (1946-1949), when they tried to break up the country and turn Greece like North Korea or worse!

And as for that bitch Yianna Kourtovik and that other pathetic "Greek" of Egyptian origin, so called "victims" of racial attacks...
That bitch is nothing but a petty scum, corrupt lawyer, who supports all sorts of criminal immigrant trash, who deal with drugs, smuggling and blood-money and that other guy, is not even Greek to begin with, he's nothing but a common criminal and an illegal Egyptian immigrant, who jumped the fence in the border and entered the country illegally and "became" Greek via none legal methods, by bribing the right people and acquired a Greek passport. He ended up in hospital after some dispute, while clearing up some business is his "trade", with other similar scum like him and the media simply used it to blame Golden dawn.

of course what this article / video purposely evades to reveal, is that all these illegal immigrants who live in Greece, do not even pay taxes, they have fake IDs and the majority are involved in criminal activities like that pakistani community leader (Javet Aslam) who has an international warrant on his head for illegal immigrant smuggling & drugs. Also all the MPa of the radical-left & communist parties of Greece, have huge properties and super rich houses in the most high-class areas all over Greece and are basically fooling their poor voters.

Also, those salutes and symbols are not fascist!!! Those are actually the ancient salutes used by all the Greco-Roman armies and militaristic nations from the time of ancient Sparta, Athens, Thebes, Alexander the Great to Julius Caesar and the Byzantine Emperors. And the symbol used, is the Hellenistic Meandros / Μαίανδρος, an ancient Greek symbol of victory, unity, infinity, eternal life and the perpetual path through the world. Probably inspired from the numerous curves of the river Meandros in Asia Minor which is over 500km in length. Same as the Hellenistic swastika stolen by the nazi in WWII to boost their "Arian" theory.







And that's that!

[dex]

Neo-nazi, noun (plural Neo-nazis)
1. a member of an organization similar to the German Nazi Party.
* a person of extreme racist or nationalist views.

Nazism, noun
1. the ideas and political policies of the Nazi party
Origin: German, abbreviation representing the pronunciation of Nati- in Nationalsozialist 'national socialist', probably by analogy with Sozi, from Sozialist 'socialist'

[ST Dragon]

Neo-nazi, noun (plural Neo-nazis)
1. a member of an organization similar to the German Nazi Party.
* a person of extreme racist or nationalist views.

Nazism, noun
1. the ideas and political policies of the Nazi party
Origin: German, abbreviation representing the pronunciation of Nati- in Nationalsozialist 'national socialist', probably by analogy with Sozi, from Sozialist 'socialist'

"racist"

That made me laugh, that's a good one!

Proof that even modern dictionaries are written by "anti-racists" and fans of globalization & multiculturalism in order to serve their interests.

Oh and here is more about "anti-racism" & "neo-nazis"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8bQqp9-rus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY

[ST Dragon]

The thing is with choice, you often vote against something you might eventually like. Because you never tried it you never know if you will like it.

If there is a policy that puts ££££ $$$$$$ in your bank account but outside your front door it looks like a war torn society, or you could have less money in your bank account but have a great "life is greener on this side" sort of life, I am sure you would go with A. Because your blinded by fucking money.

Greece didn't vote for riots, but thats what they got. etc etc.

Everyone think democracy is best. But if you look at what REALLY need to be done. You will see you don't have any choice at all. You can only choose to ignore what needs to be done. Which means the next generations IE your kids, will come along and find the situation 5 x worse than it is today. So carry on folks, keep on fucking up the world.

There is no such thing as "democracy" in Greece! It's a parody, a joke, as long as the citizens are not equal towards the law and the politicians & ministers are untouchable (by law!!!) and never answer or get punished for their crimes.
Basically for the past 40 years, 3 families have been governing the country and serving the interests of their true masters abroad. Its an oligarchy. Democracy is a failed system!

What is needed is a brute & harsh, true patriotic regime to take over, cleanse the entire political scene and bring all those scum to justice and punish them exemplarily & publically!

And then, we shall have peace.

[trap15]

So, someone like this?

[ST Dragon]

So, someone like this?

He over did it, but in the case of Greece, Yes! Very harsh measures need to be taken and its not just the politicians, but also the people them selves who are corrupt and need to be straightened out and learn to obey the laws and rules of the State.

But ironically enough, that butcher Stalin and all the US presidents are responsible for a lot more deaths and atrocities than Hitler... but no wait! They did in the name of humans rights, freedom, justice and for the people, so they're good guys!
Like that retard Bush and that clown Clinton when they bombed & destroyed Serbia in 1999 and Iraq & Afghanistan in 2002 - 2003 until this very day and lets not forget the recent "Arabic Spring" uprisings, the Vietnam war, the civil war in Syria, the Nuclear bombing of Japan, all the brutal dictatorships that scourged Latin America & Africa and the invasion / division of Cyprus in 1974 by the turks, all established and orchestrated by the US.

[zakk]

Clearly a final solution needs to be found

[ST Dragon]

Clearly a final solution needs to be found

I did Christmas & New Year's in Vienna this holiday with some Austrian friends. Its a gorgeous city! One of the most beautiful I have visited in my travels along with Prague & Budapest. The food & drinks were excellent and the local girls are awesome with a great sense of humor and enjoy jeer, mockery and sarcasm, unlike some other boring German chaps I've encountered in the past.

It surprised & shocked me that that occupational communist soviet WWII monument & statue still remains in that square in Vienna!

I also find it interesting that the Austrian Nationalistic party is also on the rise there.

Europe of the free nations needs to rise up against Angela Merkel's Bosses, usury money lenders and loan sharks who are bleeding dry the people of Europe!

[Moniker]

Someone.. is actually.. defending.. Hitler.

Best of luck with that.

[Jonathan Ingram]

Good I sure hope so!
Golden Dawn is the only true Greek patriotic party that actually cares for Greece and are not traitors, like all the other political scum, who have governed Greece for the past 40 years, brought all this crisis & the IMF and practically sold-off the entire country to foreigners in the name of globalization and multi-cultularalism.

And that article is a load of garbage. Golden Dawn is not a neo-nazi party! Its a nationalistic Greek party that has nothing to do with Hitler's theory or the WWII Italian fascists of Mussolini.

You know what`s worse than a Nazi? - A bashful Nazi, one who`s too much of a coward to admit who he really is because of the stigma associated with the name. Whether you and your mentally impoverished brethren adhere to the Strasserite, Hitlerite, Metaxian or Szalasi tradition of fascism is largely irrelevant. They are all just different brands of your degenerate, steamy shit ideology, and since not everyone is interested in researching different sorts of shit, your kind is simply branded as neo-Nazis for convenience`s sake.

They simply support the Greek interests above all and not some rich family or corporation who are the real puppet players of the global political scene.

There are no "Greek interests", you doofus. The interests of a stratified, hierarchical society are always those of the ruling class. You fascists are scummy lapdogs of the financial capital. Whenever the system is in crisis and starts to face popular discontent, you`re called into action with the task of diverting people`s anger from the real cause of their problems towards the most vulnerable and oppressed layers of population - national minorities and migrant workers.

And it was the same nationalists who fought and crushed the communist / leftist traitors during the Greek civil war (1946-1949), when they tried to break up the country and turn Greece like North Korea or worse!

You`ve got an interesting definition of traitors. It`s the KKE-led left-wing National Liberation Front that did the bulk of fighting against the Axis forces, not the Greek nationalists who were sucking up to Nazis all along.

Also, those salutes and symbols are not fascist!!! Those are actually the ancient salutes used by all the Greco-Roman armies and militaristic nations from the time of ancient Sparta, Athens, Thebes, Alexander the Great to Julius Caesar and the Byzantine Emperors. And the symbol used, is the Hellenistic Meandros / Μαίανδρος, an ancient Greek symbol of victory, unity, infinity, eternal life and the perpetual path through the world. Probably inspired from the numerous curves of the river Meandros in Asia Minor which is over 500km in length. Same as the Hellenistic swastika stolen by the nazi in WWII to boost their "Arian" theory.

Oh, yeah. I hear these pathetic excuses all the time. Russian neo-Nazis: "You see, these Swastika banners that we parade at our demos, they are not really related to Nazism. They are ancient solar symbols used by our Slavic ancestors and we are just a hapless bunch of happy-go-lucky do-gooders who mean no harm to anyone(even though we hunt down and behead migrants from time to time)."

Besides, the form doesn`t matter. It`s the content of your politics that makes you who you are(a bunch of hateful, frustrated fascists). Given your hatred of "aliens" and your fetishization of hierarchical society and "order", you could wear cuckoo hats to your parades and greet each other with a hot French kiss instead of a sig heil, and it still wouldn`t help you to mask your true political identity.

There is no such thing as "democracy" in Greece! It's a parody, a joke, as long as the citizens are not equal towards the law and the politicians & ministers are untouchable (by law!!!) and never answer or get punished for their crimes.

You seem to be awfully confused. Fasсism is an anti-egalitarian ideology that champions the creation of a brutal corporate state(which you yourself prove in your comments). Equality and social liberation are simply not on the "to do" list, let alone a focal point(the original NSDAP did entertain some relatively progressive social ideas, but after its left-wing got purged "to prevent the Bolshevization of German politics" as Strasser put it, it became a pristine far-right party without any deviations).

Proof that even modern dictionaries are written by "anti-racists" and fans of globalization & multiculturalism in order to serve their interests.

You forgot "cultural Marxism". Big bro Breivik wouldn`t approve.

Globalization is an objective process necessitated by the development of capitalism. It`s not something you can fight(or need to). Capital accumulation and concentration 101.

He over did it, but in the case of Greece, Yes! Very harsh measures need to be taken and its not just the politicians, but also the people them selves who are corrupt and need to be straightened out and learn to obey the laws and rules of the State.

Good luck with that, buddy.

[DragonInstall]

Yes I'm sure American Presidents were way worse than Hitler.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

I do agree that Greece is a country filled with selfish, self entitled scum bags who rather have their country fall apart then to have any responsibility.

[system11]

Looks like someone made the socialists cry again.

Leading on from a conversation I had earlier on IRC, I present you with a simple guide of left to right, as seen by people on the left:

Communist
Left wing
Centre-left
Centre
Nazi
Nazi
Nazi

What a massive overreaction.

[EmperorIng]

I'd much prefer a WWIII where England and America went head to head to see who is the dominant English-speaking nation. There can only be one, you know.

The winner gets Canada and Australia.

[CIT]

Europe of the free nations needs to rise up against Angela Merkel's Bosses, usury money lenders and loan sharks who are bleeding dry the people of Europe!

Are you saying the German banks forced the Greek government to borrow exorbitant amounts so they could give tax-break presents to the people, subsidize moribound sectors of the economy, create a bloated and ineffective bureaucracy as an employment-machine, and finance utterly useless infrastucture projects and an insanely disproportionate military budget? No man, your problems are home made, and it's not just the greek politicians' or elites' fault, but the greek people's since they were just as eager to reap the benefits without thinking twice that the shit may one day hit the fan when you're borrowing at same rates as France and Germany but your economic strength is only a fraction of that and you've given up the option to devalue your currency.

[BryanM]

Leading on from a conversation I had earlier on IRC, I present you with a simple guide of left to right, as seen by people on the left:

Communist
Left wing
Centre-left
Centre
Nazi
Nazi
Nazi

What a massive overreaction.

................. then maybe you should tell them to pick another color scheme and sigil design for their party banner.

...... you, you would think they would do something about that. Being a nationalistic organization all about kicking out the foreign folk, and all.

............ a, also maybe you should tell them not to publish stuff like "Man life would be sweet if Hitler's ideals had continued to be in vogue post WW2" in their newsletter.


also: blackman.txt