Japan & radioactive products!

[GaijinPunch]

Cool -- you want stats on my second cock?

[Sumez]

Who can trust corporations, merchants or governments anyway?! All they care for is the $$. They wouldn't give jack-squat for public health let alone go into all this trouble & waste money checking / decontaminating the products.

Who would vote for a government that doesn't care about public health?

[Sumez]

They import a lot of beef from Australia and fruit from other parts of asia afaik.

That's funny considering Japan is famous for producing some of the best beef in the world.
Of course, I wouldn't expect every Japanese to live on kobe meat


edit: lol sorry just realized how old this thread is, I'm still drunk from yesterday

[Skykid]

Watch this...all of it...and don't shy away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fCCVU4y7oE

Great, thanks DEL, glad I watched that just before hitting the sack.

Radiation is farked up and so is that video.

[DEL]

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[DEL]

Still keeping an eye on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwO3MDfUeRo

[Skykid]

Well there was a catch up on BBC news about a week ago saying the Japanese govt. apparently announced that the situation at Fukushima is a lot worse than they thought before and they're in need of some help. Apparently the cores are total liquid or something.

EDIT: Just watched the vid. That is serious. Instant death if you walk in the chamber? We're gonna need a bigger robot.

[moozooh]

Did you really watch it? The watchdog dude says "ten times the lethal radiation dose within minutes", the instant death thing is the reporter not doing his homework. You can't instantly die from radiation, that's now how it works.

[Skykid]

Did you really watch it?

I said I did right?

I did see that someone also pointed it out in the comments section that the cells need to break down first.

I'm no scientist, but it sounds really dangerous. What happens if that 2ft of water gets any lower?

[moozooh]

The fuel will keep heating up until it either burns out or boils something in a way that will cause a steam explosion that might throw more shit around the vessel. Both will cause a moderate radiation leak, but in the latter case it will be harder to control.

In any case this is not exactly any more or less dangerous than anything we discussed a year ago; rather the situation hasn't really changed since then: TEPCO has improved their methods somewhat but still still can't get their shit together, others do what they can, and nobody has died from radiation poisoning or cancer associated with it.

[Skykid]

In any case this is not exactly any more or less dangerous than anything we discussed a year ago; rather the situation hasn't really changed since then

I'll take your word for it, but I don't understand why the Japanese government has been announcing the situation is more critical than they realised? At least that's the story we got on the news: the reactor situation is worsening essentially, and an even greater risk.

[Ed Oscuro]

the instant death thing is the reporter not doing his homework. You can't instantly die from radiation, that's now how it works.

Are you telling me that it will not be like a scene from an MST3K movie?

OK, to support pedantry, it will be near-instantaneous accumulation of a death to be suffered in the future (to a high degree of certainty). We can be pretty sure that they won't be running any relay races through there, the work requires somebody or something to be right nearby.

I'm mostly worried about the crap still getting into the water though.

Actually, there is an interesting thought - I wonder if creatures by sea vents (not most fish, however) are more adapted to radiation - though I don't think the material will sink, but probably feed through the higher levels of the marine ecosystem. Right into trawler nets.

[moozooh]

I'll take your word for it, but I don't understand why the Japanese government has been announcing the situation is more critical than they realised? At least that's the story we got on the news: the reactor situation is worsening essentially, and an even greater risk.

As I see it, it's getting "more critical" because as the time goes, the radiation keeps leaking, and they still haven't got it under control despite all the attempts.

[DEL]

An old thread, but seeing as the reactors have not been covered by a sarcophagus yet, like Chernobyl's reactor#4, I will therefore consider the thread still open:
Brand new documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-sPUawl6yg

It covers the cover-up and the latest warning about the leaning Reactor#4, postulating that should it collapse, the stored spent fuel rods could cause a pyraphoric reaction, a radioactive fire that cannot be put out by water. This could spread 50 metres to a much larger spent fuel pool and they say that the Cesium released would/could be 85X Chernobyl.

[GaijinPunch]

"could" being the operative word?

I'll give you something a bit more debatable AND tangible to discuss. It's not even close to a conspiracy theory. The topic on the news now is that they've basically decided that the radioactive debris from the catastrophe has to be put somewhere. They're distributing it across the country, and burying it. The closest to Tokyo is Chiba, which is not really all that far when you consider a HUGE chunk of the population lives just next door. So, people from Kyushu to Hokkaido get to house radioactive waste for generations to cum.

[nZero]

The topic on the news now is that they've basically decided that the radioactive debris from the catastrophe has to be put somewhere.

I've got a great idea, let's just bury it in the Senkaku Islands.

[Ganelon]

Then all the other sovereign entities involved would be thinking "how dare Japan dump its garbage on MY island and potentially poison the nearby food supply?" And war would likely ensue...

[GaijinPunch]

Haha -- they should definitely at least say something like that. But, even they wouldn't do that. It is potentially their only source of natural resources.

[Skykid]

The topic on the news now is that they've basically decided that the radioactive debris from the catastrophe has to be put somewhere.

I've got a great idea, let's just bury it in the Senkaku Islands.

Ha ha!

That would be amusing. At least until the battleships open fire.

[moh]

In general, people are overly worried about radiation (harmful radiation that is.)

I took a university physics course on radiation. To illustrate this point, my professor brought in several moderately radioactive elements, and let us play with them for the entire lecture.

it wasn't until the end of the lecture that he pulled out the Geiger counter and let us measure the radiation.

we can even be exposed me medium-high level radiation from gasses that emerge from the ground over time.
such gasses can be VERY harmful to your health since you're exposed to them for extremely long periods of time. but for mild radiation that comes from things from japan; it is nothing to worry about.

[DEL]

moh wrote;

but for mild radiation that comes from things from japan; it is nothing to worry about.

I hope you're right.
But like I metioned on this thread before, its not the gamma radiation you need to worry about with Fukushima, its the hot particles - the Alpha particles. If you ingest those, they buzz around inside you and cause cancer.
Plutonium being the worst offender. Ingest 1 speck of that and you're OFF. Half life of 24,100 years.

The nuclear industry makes billions and therefore has a vested interest in covering this type of info up.

[Adderall]

I lost sleep over this last night after watching the latest video you posted DEL.

If they manage to get the reactors under control I think I'll still die early from the stress.

[moh]

moh wrote;

but for mild radiation that comes from things from japan; it is nothing to worry about.

I hope you're right.
But like I metioned on this thread before, its not the gamma radiation you need to worry about with Fukushima, its the hot particles - the Alpha particles. If you ingest those, they buzz around inside you and cause cancer.
Plutonium being the worst offender. Ingest 1 speck of that and you're OFF. Half life of 24,100 years.

The nuclear industry makes billions and therefore has a vested interest in covering this type of info up.

mmhm...My prof told us to do whatever we wanted, just DONT SWALLOW THEM.

Gamma particles and alpha particles are both harmful, since they both have such high energies. They'll do damage to your DNA, and cause cancer.

so the lesson here is. dont eat your imports.

[GaijinPunch]

Guess I should see a doctor about all these holes forming on my body.

[Ex-Cyber]

Fukushima disaster could have been avoided, nuclear plant operator admits

They avoided making safety improvements because that would have made nuclear power seem more dangerous. Think about that for a minute.

[trap15]

Japanese logic~

[Mischief Maker]

Fukushima disaster could have been avoided, nuclear plant operator admits

They avoided making safety improvements because that would have made nuclear power seem more dangerous. Think about that for a minute.

Japanese logic~

As opposed to the good old western logic behind the preventable BP oil disaster: penny-pinching.

[CMoon]

An old thread, but seeing as the reactors have not been covered by a sarcophagus yet, like Chernobyl's reactor#4, I will therefore consider the thread still open:
Brand new documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-sPUawl6yg.

Hey DEL, I haven't watched more than a few seconds of the video, and thus don't have any real opinion about it, however I'm wondering if you have another source other than youtube. I'm sure you probably do, but youtube is becoming the worst breeding ground for all the conspiracy nonsense, and seems to get worse by the day. In fact, the reason I didn't keep watching is I've seen so many 'cover up' youtube videos that i just can't stand them anymore.

[DEL]

CMoon - Well, the fact that two reactors blew up and at least three have melted down cores is not conspiracy. Just fact. As for Youtube, its one of the only places you might....just....find non state-sponsored/nuclear industry sponsored err....truth. Dare I say that horrible word?

CMoon wrote;

but youtube is becoming the worst breeding ground for all the conspiracy nonsense, and seems to get worse by the day.

Y'know I actually hope you're right and it is all nonsense.
Its not like we're in a double dipped Recession Depression compounded by the 30 Trillion LIBOR theft and also not on the brink of the next War. No no, that's silly. Everything's fine

[GaijinPunch]

Most of the "news" I saw during the actual catastrophe was actually bullshit. All sides spew... news is about selling sensationalism. If you can remember that premise while watching it, you'll probably do okay.