Doom 3 BFG

[kog3100_edw]

Anybody try throwing a USA copy into their JPN 360 yet? The game isn't quite a full price risk to try this... Bethesda HAS done region-free in the past but hasn't been very accommodating recently.

Hey, it's a reverse region-coding question!

[ZellSF]

I read that you have to hold down L3 to run, that can't possibly be true right? Or it was fixed in a day 0 patch?

Original Xbox version sounds like a better choice if that's the case.

[Moniker]

Didn't know Doom3BFG was even a thing. I gave up trying to play Doom 3 on my 360.. there just wasn't enough visceral feedback, like everything was muted, particularly the sound and lighting. The aspect ratio also seemed weirdly stretched, even in WS mode. Don't know if it's the xbox->360 conversion or what.

Would be interested to hear opinions on the upgrade. Elsewise, I'll stick to Brutal Doom & the Orange Box for my FPS jollies.

[Ruldra]

Is the multiplayer in Doom 3 BFG a deathmatch or online coop? Would be interesting if it has coop.

This and X-COM are on my to-buy list next time I head to the US.

[Battlesmurf]

Didn't know Doom3BFG was even a thing. I gave up trying to play Doom 3 on my 360.. there just wasn't enough visceral feedback, like everything was muted, particularly the sound and lighting. The aspect ratio also seemed weirdly stretched, even in WS mode. Don't know if it's the xbox->360 conversion or what.

Would be interested to hear opinions on the upgrade. Elsewise, I'll stick to Brutal Doom & the Orange Box for my FPS jollies.

Brutal Doom is the bees knees (at least pre "loud voices" update lol).

[Ed Oscuro]

Remastered content, yaay. (Don't think this needed to be done.) Seven new levels though.

IGN: "As a special bonus, DOOM 3 BFG Edition will also include the original DOOM and DOOM 2 games, making it the definitive collection of the revolutionary games developed by id Software." lol
Yeah as opposed to the Xbox versions of DOOM and DOOM II which have original new levels, or the Ultimate DOOM package, or packages with Final DOOM and Master Levels...
There isn't a definitive collection of DOOM shit because we're still supposed to be paying for DOOM. This is just the shareware version, man! Game over!

[SuperSoaker360]

IGN: "As a special bonus, DOOM 3 BFG Edition will also include the original DOOM and DOOM 2 games, making it the definitive collection of the revolutionary games developed by id Software."

I'd still kill to have Hexen: Beyond Heretic on the Xbox Live Arcade.

[Ed Oscuro]

For Achievements?

Maybe if Bethesda buys Raven Software, you can get Corvus's Firemace as a preorder weapon in the next Elder Scrolls game instead. That's just as good, right?

[SuperSoaker360]

For Achievements?

Obviously!

10G - Greetings, Mortal
Description: You were ready to die.

[EmperorIng]

If only they included Rise of the Triad with Doom and Doom 2...

[kog3100_edw]

Well, it looks like there's interest in it here (even if dubious). I think it is sold at 40 bucks as opposed to triple-A pricing so if someone does decide to take the risk OR has both a US and JPN Xbox360 please post. This is probably the Doom 3 to get if you disliked the the visuals on the Xbox iteration.

[CDexWard]

Does anybody know how much this game has been remastered? I would like to know if the system requirements are a lot highter compared to the original version. My PC is 4 years old now and Doom is one of those games I'd rather play on a computer.

[shmuppyLove]

Does anybody know how much this game has been remastered? I would like to know if the system requirements are a lot highter compared to the original version. My PC is 4 years old now and Doom is one of those games I'd rather play on a computer.

Sys.Req's from Steam:

System Requirements

Minimum:
OS:Windows vista/ Windows 7
Processor:2.0 GHz dual core
Memory:3 GB RAM
Graphics:NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT / ATI Radeon HD 5750, 512 MB video RAM
Hard Drive:11 GB
Sound:Windows compatible sound card

Recommended:
OS:Windows Vista-64/ Windows 7-64
Processor:2.4 GHz dual core
Memory:3 GB system RAM
Graphics:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 / ATI Radeon HD 5850, 768 MB video RAM
Hard Drive:11 GB
Sound:Windows compatible sound card
Additional:3D Monitor + compatible glasses

[njiska]

So that's a no, not much more power required. I'll probably pick this up around US Thanksgiving if it goes on sale on Steam. Same time I'll be grabbing X-COM.

[Ed Oscuro]

A Radeon HD 5850 is what I'm running. I've been through two or three graphics cards since DOOM III came out. I think the original was the Radeon 9800 or whatever it was called. On the nVidia side, you needed a GeForce 4, non-MX (I think; remember the MX fiasco?). So that's a huge step up in system requirements, 8 years' worth, if you want to play this and have it look good. The GeForce 9800 series date from about 2007, though, but they were fairly high-end then.

[shmuppyLove]

The GeForce 9800 series date from about 2007, though, but they were fairly high-end then.

Indeed! I was still running one until a few weeks ago, and it had no trouble at 1680x1050 with current stuff like Skyrim and Crysis 2.

[CStarFlare]

The XBLA versions of Doom 1 & 2 were my introduction to the series, so I'm actually very interested in this. If nothing else, I get a physical copy of 1 & 2 and an excuse to run through them again, right?

Seconding Hexen, though. Played it for a couple minutes on N64, not enough time to enjoy it but more than enough to pique my interest.

EDIT: That reminds me, I wish this also had Doom 64 as a bonus.

[Ed Oscuro]

I personally hate to stretch things out that far - I don't like to waste power on anti-aliasing or filtering, but I like to run things at full texture resolution. Not sure you can really do that with many current games (although with all the 360 to PC ports out there, there's probably quite a few games with no extra detail). Anyway, it's an option. Personally I find it laughable to consider that "remastering" the game, which from the screenshot of the famous "you gon' get raped" sneaky Cyberdemon pic, looks EXACTLY THE SAME, that you need to spend more dough to get it working as well. But who knows, maybe I'll pick it up sometime - when it's cheaper. The seven new levels are all I wanted.

The only point in the original DOOM III where I really felt like I was going somewhere unexpected was during the 5 second Hell segment (the floating bridge and all that). It felt like DOOM maybe would have felt with modern graphics, but it also made it pretty clear that the original DOOM was easier to make levels for. Just some good, basic level designs with flat walls are fine by me, if there's gameplay. Beats slogging through 10 hours of crap just to see some skull lamps and wrought iron bars. SPOOKEY!11

Seconding Hexen, though. Played it for a couple minutes on N64, not enough time to enjoy it but more than enough to pique my interest.

Much different soundtrack on PC than on N64. I played it on PC again recently, and while the first few levels are enjoyable, I was struck by how lame the ending segments felt. Still, YMMV. I enjoyed it best when it felt like you were lost and the world was mysterious - but not so much when you were just shuttling between teleporters in sequence.

[ZellSF]

So that's a no, not much more power required. I'll probably pick this up around US Thanksgiving if it goes on sale on Steam. Same time I'll be grabbing X-COM.

Lots of people are saying the original version is better than the BFG version. From the complaints I have heard, I would agree.

Might want to look into that before spending any money.

[njiska]

So that's a no, not much more power required. I'll probably pick this up around US Thanksgiving if it goes on sale on Steam. Same time I'll be grabbing X-COM.

Lots of people are saying the original version is better than the BFG version. From the complaints I have heard, I would agree.

Might want to look into that before spending any money.

I haven't even bothered looking at the reviews yet, but I kinda want it for completeness anyways. I'm not about to pay $30 for it, but if it's $15 or $17 I might. It does have an armour mounted flashlight after all.

[Ruldra]

Lots of people are saying the original version is better than the BFG version. From the complaints I have heard, I would agree.

What exactly are the problems with BFG edition?

[Austin]

I bought the 360 version. The load times are unnecessarily long, and they mapped the run function to clicking on the left analog stick without giving you a way to change it. Also, it will not allow you to play DOOM and DOOM II if you installed the game to your hard drive. Lastly, the visuals are only mildly improved over the PC original.

[shmuppyLove]

Lastly, the visuals are only mildly improved over the PC original.

I'll second this. The textures look ok for the most part, but the polygon count clearly has not been increased.

The characters' heads are very pointy.

Otherwise it plays really well. Excellent frame rates even with everything jacked, and the cramped corridors, great audio and lighting effects still creep the fuck out of me.

[Obiwanshinobi]

I believe Riddick on Xbox had normal mapping before Doom 3 on the PC. The shadows in the latter didn't look any better at all to me than the shadows in Severance: Blade of Darkness and Silent Hill 2 (Doom 3 might have been fancier on paper in this regard, but I didn't get what the fuss was all about).
Not a bad looking game, but it was rather back-looking in its time. When Riddick (enhanced) came out for the PC, it looked better (locations felt smaller, though).

[Ed Oscuro]

Normal mapping is a technique seen in games that predate both those games by a fair bit. I think the main thing that Riddick (?) and certainly DOOM III introduced was a sort of real-time lighting and shadowing. Normal mapping might be sort-of-implemented even in some N64 games - but certainly the Dreamcast allows it, and I'm sure some Xbox games before Riddick had it too. There are newer "variants" of bump mapping (like parallax mapping, seen in FEAR's "looks 3D" bullet holes) that have been implemented since then, but I don't think they represent a big improvement over DOOM III and wouldn't even apply much of the time.

[Battlesmurf]

Not to sidetrack the conversation- but what do you guys think the best difficulty to play this would be? I heard the Ammo counts and such have been tweaked. I want a little bit of a challenge- but I don't want to start playing, stop, and start over because it was too easy/difficult :p

[Ruldra]

From the Doom Wiki:

Recruit: The Marine takes 75% of the base damage. Slightly fewer monsters are encountered.
Marine: The Marine takes 90% of the base damage. Normal number of monsters.
Veteran: The Marine takes 170% of the base damage. Health kits are fewer in number. More monsters appear in this skill level.

Start with Marine difficulty, and if that turns out to be too easy for you, go straight to Veteran.

[Austin]

Not to sidetrack the conversation- but what do you guys think the best difficulty to play this would be? I heard the Ammo counts and such have been tweaked. I want a little bit of a challenge- but I don't want to start playing, stop, and start over because it was too easy/difficult :p

PC--Veteran.

Consoles--Something lower since you might be fighting with the controls.

[njiska]

Marine: The Marine takes 90% of the base damage. Normal number of monsters.

The hell? Who comes up with a base damage value and makes no mode take 100% of it? Shouldn't be base damage be the value of normal if your making the other two difficulties a higher or lower percentage? My brain hurts from this one.

[Damocles]

I'm pretty sure that's in reference to the original Doom 3.