Why are Muslims so angry?

[Ed Oscuro]

The film is hilariously badly made and acted. The sole purpose is insulting muslims and at that it has been made way more than it deserves. Islam can be criticized for a lot of things (as can all religions) but this isn't a particularly good effort and format to do so.

That's not the film, it's a fake parody that's adopted the name to fool youtubers. The film is actually a proper documentary with huge production values.

Yeah, the REAL video actually shows the bomb under Mohammed's turban! He also kicks a dog.

I have vacillated from thinking it would be terrible, although not likely as bad as the Bush Presidency, to thinking it would be possibly tolerable, but the latest flap over Romney's embassy attack statement make me realize that he is a loose cannon.

I, frankly, find these comments (not to mention the whole "corporations are people" thing) much more telling: as Jon Stewart once put it, being a modern conservative leader is about repeatedly affirming both your undying love for your country and your undying hatred of 90 percent of the people who live there.

How was something that just hit the news supposed to influence my views of Romney from a while ago?

In any case, that (and his defense of it) definitely aligns him with a view that I had previously only associated with wingnuts and the uneducated. Well, now I guess we can tell they're all uneducated - although a few conservatives have denounced it and I guess that gets them a pass (if not the gold star).

[BulletMagnet]

How was something that just hit the news supposed to influence my views of Romney from a while ago?

Well it wasn't supposed to, really, though I'd still argue that you truly don't have to look all that long or hard at Romney (or his party at large) to "figure him out".

Also, if any angered Muslims out there need some additional motivation to abandon their current method of protest, this might do the trick.

[CMoon]

Also, if any angered Muslims out there need some additional motivation to abandon their current method of protest, this might do the trick.

America, fuck yeah!

[scrilla4rella]

I'll give the posts on this thread a better read when I have more time next week but until then I thought I would post an article that I found interesting. It's titled "Why is the Arab World so Easily Offended http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

Like others on this thread have already pointed out, official censorship and general ignorance of the West factor in big.

[CMoon]

It's titled "Why is the Arab World so Easily Offended http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

If I had bothered being sober, I would have totally called this thread 'Why are Muslims so offended', but man, there aint time for that shit.

[Obiwanshinobi]

I suspect they are angry because they know it's going to be on the TV. Furthermore, I doubt the TV will show the Muslims who are women and children on that occasion.

[Randorama]

Like I said when I opened this thread up, there's stupid people saying dumb things everywhere all the time. Rush Limbaugh being able to do what he does is part of free speech, but he isn't a world leader, and neither he nor his followers are killing people, nor are people out trying to kill Rush Limbaugh. It is exactly this sort of tolerance that I'm praising most of modern civilization for. That we've learned how to put up with dumb fucks like Limbaugh without declaring a Jihad against him.

Bizarre, your opening post was about Ammerricans put up with everything because they're so awesome, unless I am missing something. Change of plans?

I'm trying to take you (half) seriously here Rando. C'mon now, I'm the closet socialist who only tentatively accepts some of the ideas of capitalism. Starting with Reagan, this nation keeps trying to cling to an ideology that we are somehow #1 and we need to help other nations become more like us or go fight against tyrant nations. Now do the actual politicians believe such an ideology? Here's where someone needs to see a shrinker: the only thing these people believe in is money and power. Ideologies are just tools to that end.

Time for some zany post. A serious one would not be eugenic enough (eugenics, shmeugenics: are we kosher by being eugenic? We are, indeed).

Well, you mentioned that "we in Ammerrika tolerate everything, you knowwhatIamsaying, not like those buggers who burn our beloved flags because some retard made a poorly made movie on how retarded their religion, as a religion, is." I mean, you just needed to say that you liked all kinds of races, even the Catholics! In the Dame Edna tradition.

But then again, your whole country relvolves about being butt-hurt if someone says "Omg I don't like green people", and green people will rant on and on and on and on and on about how much they are discriminated. But ehi, as long as your beloved flag doesn't get burnt, it's all ok, isn't it?

Now, a moment of seriousness. The journalist who wrote the article posted by scrill4rella equated Arabs to Muslims, and ranted a whole article about their frustration being tied to the poor situation of the Arab world.

Question is: how this explains the complaints and protests in Malaysia, the biggest muslim state in the world, mostly inhabited by non-arabs, and a country with a rather different (not good, different) situation? And what about Thailand, India, Indonesia, etc.?

That article is a failure, unless the author's goal is just plain jingoism. If this is the level of analysis we can get from US newspapers, I'd rather listen to Ann Coulter, she makes no effort to make sense. I hope that the author didn't have to pay top dollar at US UNIs, to be this fucking ignorant. I'd rip the article more to shreds, but I know that you merry pranksters don't make an effort to read linked material, so I'll save my time.

And aside that,

Eugenics: making a better tomorrow for everyone!

But I'd hit Anne Coulter and the Palin. Who wouldn't?

I'd hit it with a stick.

Your stick of love? You *naugthy* boy

[DEL]

BulletMagnet basically got it right.
When you think about it, only the Media can stir up the whole Muslim World at exactly the same time.
Such a huge reaction cannot be stirred up across many Muslim Countries by a single man posting an anti-Muslim vid.
ergo It was a planned and co-ordinated attack by the Media.
The Media is totally controlled by one group. No prizes for guessing who

[louisg]

BulletMagnet basically got it right.
When you think about it, only the Media can stir up the whole Muslim World at exactly the same time.
Such a huge reaction cannot be stirred up across many Muslim Countries by a single man posting an anti-Muslim vid.
ergo It was a planned and co-ordinated attack by the Media.
The Media is totally controlled by one group. No prizes for guessing who

Why don't you spell it out? Are you afraid or something?

[Jonathan Ingram]

BulletMagnetThe Media is totally controlled by one group. No prizes for guessing who

Jew masonry?

[Strider77]

You know you're a bit backwards if.... you kill folks over a youtube video. If only I could harness the secret powers of youtube for my own evil purposes.

[crack-binge]

The answer is they all have sand in their vaginas. In all honesty I don't care and neither should you. Angry people barking about shit like religion and politics want you to react and discuss them and their cause. I find ignoring them the best thing to do. Unless they try and kill you and your family...

[brentsg]

I was thinking, I'm not sure they have My Little Pony in the predominantly Muslim countries. Maybe that's it..

[BulletMagnet]

I was thinking, I'm not sure they have My Little Pony in the predominantly Muslim countries. Maybe that's it..

Fatwa Is Magic?

[Ed Oscuro]

Why are Muslim immigrants so happy and well adjusted?

That was the question in today's Fresh Air program.

Some useful statistics:

In the U.S., 8% of Muslims say it's OK to attack civilians in pursuit of a just cause.
...and that number, for "average" Americans, is a whopping 24%.

In the U.S., Muslims are more content and more supportive of the police and government than the "average American" and other immigrant groups.

Following the author's argument, in some ways a replay of the 1940s-1960s hysteria about Catholic immigrants. Ironically, it turns out that many Catholics ended up carrying the torch for conservative values in Government in the years since, as seen in the Supreme Court recently.

The kicker is that in the U.S., and to some degree in Europe, the religious fervor of Muslims essentially shifts to match that of their new home countries. In the U.S., you can expect the average Muslim immigrant to become about as religious as the other people there - so a bit more observant than the average person in Europe. I don't recall if it was for the U.S., Europe, or both, but 1/5 of the immigrants were cited as sliding all the way into atheism.

That poses an interesting question (and troubling, for defenders of faith) about whether religious faith is just accidental and whether people are led astray by an apparently prosperous culture which happens not to be as fervently religious as their home culture. Apparently (I will make a guess here) most people, if their values can change so drastically to match those of the culture they are immersed in, are more interested in stability, prosperity, and freedom than they are in religious values. And also clearly this bolsters the hypothesis that one of the deepest causes of this violence is simply that it is political or appeals to "street culture" (the author's words; I've said the same thing before so apparently once again njiska is right in suspecting I don't know what I'm talking about).

He also discussed one recent source (post-9/11) of Islamophobia, from the author of the book "Eurabia" who is an interesting character. Apparently she suffered or was intimidated over in the Middle East by Islamic terrorism and the like, so that naturally made her an expert on the topic of integrating Islamic peoples into Europe and the U.S. Here the interviewed author described her arguments as 'very strange' so I'll have to leave it at that. She also apparently spent much of the late '90s defending the murderers in Serbia on the grounds that they were legitimately combating a religious threat. Not a very promising source on the face of it.

[evil_ash_xero]

I met this Muslim chick, once in Florida. She said she was Muslim, but hadn't gone to a mosque in 4 years, had a white boyfriend, and was a total perv.

What were we talking about?

[Strider77]

ME MUSLIM, ME ANGRY!!!

[Ed Oscuro]

No strider, not THAT serum!

[Obiwanshinobi]

She said she was Muslim, but hadn't gone to a mosque in 4 years, had a white boyfriend, and was a total perv.

There are white (that is, Europoid, Aryan - you name it) Muslims out there. Say what you will about Islam, but it's not racist by design (and that's why it's so widespread). The Arabian-Jewish beef is obviously not of racial nature.

[xbl0x180]

http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-subway-ads-ca ... ories.html

Yeah, it'll be a cold day in hell before I support angry israeli terrorists. Let 'em fight their own fucking wars

[MX7]

http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-subway-ads-ca ... ories.html

Yeah, it'll be a cold day in hell before I support angry israeli terrorists. Let 'em fight their own fucking wars

A classic case of utilising recontextualisation to justify killing people. If we label humans as 'savages' then They become less than human, and it becomes OK to to kill them. The IDF has been carrying off this tactic for some time, referring to Palestinian children as 'human shields' in order to justify bombing schools.

And it's exactly the same tactic used by apologists of slavery who argued that black people had fundamental differences from white people, rendering them less than human. Sickening that this method of endorsing ethnic cleansing is still being perpetuated in the USA today.

It's a gross simplification, but it's incidents like this that shed some light on the 'why are Muslims so angry' question...

[Ed Oscuro]

The news from Benghazi has been coming pretty quickly recently: First, a day or so ago a local fellow (militiaman or tribal leader I think) recounted warning Americans, visiting four days before the fatal attack, of the declining security and a previous attack of the compound. Assassinations were rampant, he said. In the aftermath he was shocked at the inability of the Americans to protect themselves.

Yesterday, I think, a video was released that had been taken by a person at the scene after the attack where a crowd was looting the embassy. At some point somebody yells about a body, people rush into the building, and they carry out the ambassador, who was reportedly still breathing. He was rushed in an ambulance to a hospital, where attempts over 90 minutes to revive him failed. So much for the theory of the mob going out of their way to kill Americans - they tried to save him! (The looting is really a separate issue.)

Today, "Libyan authorities have arrested eight people in connection with the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in which the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans were killed, a government official said on Friday."

Additionally, "Around 30,000 Libyans marched through the eastern city of Benghazi on Friday in an unprecedented protest to demand the disbanding of powerful militias in the wake of last week's attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans." There's an AP article here claiming the protests were anti-militia, with some of the attendees explicitly saying they thought the death of the ambassador was fine. In either case, the terrorists behind the attack obviously are at odds with the public.

[njiska]

Sort of relevant to this overall topic, Imagine... recently ran an episode called The Fatwa: Salman's Story. Was a good watch and it's on iPlayer for those who have access and are curious.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... ans_Story/

[Drum]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mid ... story.html

BENGHAZI, Libya — Hundreds of protesters stormed the compound of one of Libya’s strongest armed Islamic extremist groups Friday, evicting militiamen and setting fire to their building as the attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans sparked a public backlash against armed groups that run rampant in the country and defy the country’s new, post-Moammar Gadhafi leadership.

This protest was last measured at 30,000 people.

Stupid angry Muslims >:(

[CMoon]

Apparently Muslims being angry has something to do with this...