Fair competitive practice and shoot'em ups

[KAI]

She's just ignoring the whole questions. That's enough proof for me.

[VixyNyan]

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[BareKnuckleRoo]

The start button might have given me a small advantage in getting through some parts of the run.

You're really good at tap-dancing around giving a straight answer. Are you a politician by any chance?

maybe vixynyan is really paul ryan, lol

and so many things to unlock

Basically, you really, really wanted that achievement unlocked even if it meant cheesing the game.

I understand if people see it as a tool-assisted run, but it doesn't mean that I don't know enemy and bullet patterns

Do you seriously not understand the problem with submitting a score for a skill-dependent genre of games when you do something that really trivializes the need for actual skill? Especially a Spiritual Larsa run of all things, it's disrespectful to the people who legitimately worked their asses off to manage such a thing without abusing pausing as a slowdown mechanism. If you really just wanted to post a video of such a run for your channel you could have admitted you used pause buffering to get through segments and I don't think there'd have been an issue if you'd been up front about the tricks you used to make those 'miraculous' dodges, but having your run on the leaderboard and high score board when it's definitely not what you'd call legit crosses the line.

[PROMETHEUS]

Well VixyNian, that's ok to submit stuff and make mistakes, as long as you are not intentionally trying to mislead others and as long as you understand what we are talking about and how pause/slowdown and such have to do with cheating. Like you said, feel free to come back anytime, learning from your previous mistakes : make sure to be transparent (you can even talk about your practicing, that's what I do), and never try to conceal system abuse that may give an advantage (in this case, not small like you said, more likely tremendous).

[ebarrett]

Honestly, after such an outrageous attempt to fool the entire community, and after coming back to say you're "sorry" and that you have "learned from experience" and other assorted bullshit smokescreens to still keep treating everyone in here like a bunch of morons, I'll disagree with Prometheus, vixy: I hope you fuck off forever, which isn't as good an option as you going back in time and not having ever been born in the first place, but is probably as good as it gets.

[VixyNyan]

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[Aliquantic]

Streaming would be very nice too, and you have an excellent setup for that Live runs are always fun to watch.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Translation: "I'll try harder not to get caught next time. Hugs and kisses everyone~<3" god, are straight guys that easy to manipulate?

edit: deleted the unfair & immature personal attacks, run's still bullshit though

[VixyNyan]

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[Deca]

Holy shiiiit I missed a lot here lmao. Just...not even going to touch any of this since it seems to have just wound down.

Sorry I'm so late with this but congrats Gus on the clear, heard about it last week.

third_strike: would it be possible to change my name on my Reco Maniac BL entry from "DEC" to "deca"?

[chempop]

This is rediculous, why is it so difficult to just say: Yes, I used the start-button/slowmo exploit, please remove my score, won't happen again yadayada..

As for whether or not using start button at all it cheating... definitely a bit of gray area there. Am I correct that Gus even paused right before the final few seconds of his god-mode 1CC? I thought I remember seeing it in the replay, if so, that's too bad. I agree with PROM 100% that dealing with the nerves and shakes is part of the game, part of the enjoyment, and people who pause to cool down are

[Gus]

Am I correct that Gus even paused right before the final few seconds of his god-mode 1CC? I thought I remember seeing it in the replay, if so, that's too bad.

I actually didn't, that was something the game automatically did when it lost contact with the controller while recording the replay. Normally replays don't pause even if you abuse the hell out of the feature during the actual play.

Anyway, for the parts that I did pause at the end of stage, would you rather I just waited for the gem totals to go down by themselves and add an extra 20 minutes onto the run of just that?

[PROMETHEUS]

Anyway, for the parts that I did pause at the end of stage, would you rather I just waited for the gem totals to go down by themselves and add an extra 20 minutes onto the run of just that?

You can buy that much time between stages in Futari ? In DDP, you only get to breathe for something like 20 seconds if you wait, a little more in DOJ stage 4 only (due to high boss hit count). I sure used the 20 seconds in the end of Stage 2-4 in DDP often, in very good runs, that's when I started to get really nervous/anxious lawl.

Anyway, personnally if it was up to me I would say no pausing between stages, use gem counter to wait if you want to, but then XBOX replays would become unacceptable so I guess we can agree to allow it......?

[chempop]

I actually didn't, that was something the game automatically did when it lost contact with the controller while recording the replay.

Ahhh, that explains it. I'm happy to hear that and it didn't seem like a part where pausing would have been a help in any way what-so-ever lol

Anyway, for the parts that I did pause at the end of stage, would you rather I just waited for the gem totals to go down by themselves and add an extra 20 minutes onto the run of just that?

I couldn't care less. It's clear to me that end of stage pausing can in some situations balance out to score tallies and the like. That is very different compared to mid stage or pre-boss pausing to gather yourself.

[Erppo]

DFK also has ridiculously long (and also completely worthless) end stage bonus counts. Stage 5 really lasts several minutes if you let it run through.

DDP gives you a good breather with the loooong looping screen.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

You can buy that much time between stages in Futari ?

Yes, especially on higher difficulties. If you died during the stage at all your gem counts are all reset to 0 so having a death during a stage boss usually means your gem count is tiny, but no-missing the later stages means you have a massive amount of waiting time during the stage end screens as the gem counts add up.

[third_strike]

Ok, self confession.
I will update the table later when I get in home.
Regards pause, I would say no pausing between stages and pause to get a breather before a boss sounds cheat to me.

Now go to shoryuken and say I win Daigo and peoples will say proof.
Play against Justin pausing during rounds...
That is time to shmup comunite grow.

When I play I never pause, if you wants play againts me please don't pause.
When I get a score higher than yours I post pictures, if you wants play againts me please post a picture when you beat me.
When I get a score higher than yours I post replays, if you wants play againts me please post a replay when you beat me.
This is called respect, I respect you and you respect me.
I like shmups and shmups is serious business to me, no reputation and no unconditional belief, just proof like a respect sign.
If you can't understand this fuck you and avoid post scores in the same table that me.

[Aliquantic]

god, are straight guys that easy to manipulate?

We need a private club for everybody who's not a straight guy

And yay for SF references... though to be fair, it's pretty hard to cheat when serious play is exclusively done in offline tournaments. With optional stick throwing and violent backup, as necessary when there's unhappiness.

[Gus]

Ok, self confession.
I will update the table later when I get in home.
Regards pause, I would say no pausing between stages and pause to get a breather before a boss sounds cheat to me.

Now go to shoryuken and say I win Daigo and peoples will say proof.
Play against Justin pausing during rounds...
That is time to shmup comunite grow.

When I play I never pause, if you wants play againts me please don't pause.
When I get a score higher than yours I post pictures, if you wants play againts me please post a picture when you beat me.
When I get a score higher than yours I post replays, if you wants play againts me please post a replay when you beat me.
This is called respect, I respect you and you respect me.
I like shmups and shmups is serious business to me, no reputation and no unconditional belief, just proof like a respect sign.
If you can't understand this fuck you and avoid post scores in the same table that me.

Ok, you should probably remove all my scores then since I'm pretty sure I paused at some point or another in most of them. I'll try to avoid it in the future. Your board, your rules.

That's said, what fucking bullshit. I've been busting my ass with this game for 1 1/2 years now, pouring in who knows how many hours. I'm telling you I avoided pausing at places where it would effect my performance but you're still just gonna take it all because no one told me ANY pausing was cheating? Fuck that.

[Bananamatic]

When I get a score higher than yours I piss on the floor instead of pausing and going to the toilet, if you wants play againts me please piss on the floor instead of going to the toilet when you beat me.

[Chaos Phoenixma]

If you remove Gus's scores, you can remove mine too. And I don't even pause in my runs.

[PROMETHEUS]

Ok, self confession.
I will update the table later when I get in home.
Regards pause, I would say no pausing between stages and pause to get a breather before a boss sounds cheat to me.

Now go to shoryuken and say I win Daigo and peoples will say proof.
Play against Justin pausing during rounds...
That is time to shmup comunite grow.

When I play I never pause, if you wants play againts me please don't pause.
When I get a score higher than yours I post pictures, if you wants play againts me please post a picture when you beat me.
When I get a score higher than yours I post replays, if you wants play againts me please post a replay when you beat me.
This is called respect, I respect you and you respect me.
I like shmups and shmups is serious business to me, no reputation and no unconditional belief, just proof like a respect sign.
If you can't understand this fuck you and avoid post scores in the same table that me.

I really like what you just said Third_Strike. It is time for the shmup community to grow, or evolve, no doubt, I think we can both see it the same way.

And I liked the way you said it, because it's very true actually, I think I failed to express or even fully understand it but you are right, it all comes down to respect in the end. Competition is people giving the best of themselves in a discipline, they get serious and good at it and fight to get better.

In that context, it really is a matter of respect to be honest and give proof of honesty, not try to make yourself look better than you really are, or bring other players down. Sportsmanship. In a community that understands this, people get much better together and learn a lot more.

I hope you guys can all see, the "omg can't you just trust people" that I've often seen answered is nonsense. So is the reputation thing. I hope people realize this and we can become a stronger community. Honestly, I didn't see potential for it before, but now I do. These past few years I think there has been a real level up. I think it may have to do with the PAL/NTSC console ports releases.

[third_strike]

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Face my post in a spiritual way.

[Bananamatic]

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Face my post in a spiritual way.

Shamefur dispray, commit sudoku

[third_strike]

Bananamatic don't troll please, here is not place to this.

[Bananamatic]

I just want the trap thread back

[VixyNyan]

Please don't remove Gus' or Chaos' scores! They worked hard on them.

[PROMETHEUS]

Ok, you should probably remove all my scores then since I'm pretty sure I paused at some point or another in most of them. I'll try to avoid it in the future. Your board, your rules.

That's said, what fucking bullshit. I've been busting my ass with this game for 1 1/2 years now, pouring in who knows how many hours. I'm telling you I avoided pausing at places where it would effect my performance but you're still just gonna take it all because no one told me ANY pausing was cheating? Fuck that.

Gus, we had not had the discussion about pauses before, the console port allows you to do it and like you said, you were careful to pause only for as long as gem counter would allow, in my view it wouldn't make sense to take your scores down, I really respect what you did and I'm sure everyone does including Third_Strike.

Sure, in the future avoid doing that and just use the gem counter, I think. But you know, that's all still debatable, it's kind of complicated because we have these console ports and nobody can check that no pausing happened, etc. I think it's not very important, it's just a gray area, pausing between stages.

[third_strike]

Better said:
Gus I will not take of your scores I just want you read what wrote and think about.
I can't control the way anyone play, I just said my opnions.
This is more like: If you want a total victory over me play in my way.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Face my post in a spiritual way.

???

This is more like: If you want a total victory over me play in my way.

Translation: "Even if you beat me you still wouldn't have really beaten me unless you never paused."

When I play I never pause, if you wants play againts me please don't pause.

I really like what you just said Third_Strike. It is time for the shmup community to grow, or evolve, no doubt, I think we can both see it the same way.

Well I guess that settles it guys. If you're playing a console port in a scoring run and you have to take a piss you'd better hope you remembered to wear a catheter.

How many times does this need to be restated, seriously? Arcades don't let you pause so that they can ensure a limited playtime and hence don't have their earning potential limited by someone needing a break.

I can see the appeal of playing without being able to take a break, but I'd consider not being able to pause if you needed to more an inherent problem with the PCB format rather than an unfair extra feature of home ports or MAME.