Senko No Ronde Announced for Xbox 360

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:10 am

The Xbox and 360 aren't the same system, the 360 will seperate itself by 2 generations from the DC, why would anyone in their right mind prefer to have a game on 2 generation old hardware? Not to mention features like Live which are optimal for a game such as this. The DC was a nice system and had a nice run but to think it would be around 2 and 3 generations past its prime is silly, the developers have moved on, so fans need to also.

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:41 am

Have you forgotton what hardware the Arcade version runs on?

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:40 pm

Nemo wrote:The Xbox and 360 aren't the same system, the 360 will seperate itself by 2 generations from the DC, why would anyone in their right mind prefer to have a game on 2 generation old hardware?

A 1.5 generation maybe (because of the time difference between Xbox and DC) , but not 2!
DC was just the first of last generation to come out (by quite a large margin admittedly).

And even if you are correct in it being 2 generations apart, how about turning your statement around: Would you like a game from 2 generations old hardware to come out unchanged on your brand new state of the art Next Gen powehouse?

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Darkcomet72 · Post by **Darkcomet72** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:59 pm

It's official. My shmup life sucks.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:59 pm

Kron wrote:Have you forgotton what hardware the Arcade version runs on?

Zigfried the Trizealot · Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:09 pm

Super Laydock wrote:And even if you are correct in it being 2 generations apart, how about turning your statement around: Would you like a game from 2 generations old hardware to come out unchanged on your brand new state of the art Next Gen powehouse? .

Yes, although I wouldn't object to some additions or extras. Power of the system is irrelevant unless the system is underpowered. Senko no Ronde hasn't had a home port, so I'd like to see it come out on a viable platform. The DC is not that platform.

I'd have no objections whatsoever to seeing Tatsujin-Ou come out on the PS2, and I have a feeling a lot of people would agree with that. I don't understand why Senko no Ronde coming out on the 360 is any different.

//Zig

BIG · Post by **BIG** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:17 pm

No big loss,really.

I played Ronde for a good half-hour lastnight at AI,and it really isn't that great of a shooter (if at all).

It's more like a 2-D Virtual-On than it is shmup,imo.

B-

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:58 pm

Zigfried the Trizealot wrote:
Super Laydock wrote:And even if you are correct in it being 2 generations apart, how about turning your statement around: Would you like a game from 2 generations old hardware to come out unchanged on your brand new state of the art Next Gen powehouse? .
Yes, although I wouldn't object to some additions or extras. Power of the system is irrelevant unless the system is underpowered. Senko no Ronde hasn't had a home port, so I'd like to see it come out on a viable platform. The DC is not that platform.

I'd have no objections whatsoever to seeing Tatsujin-Ou come out on the PS2, and I have a feeling a lot of people would agree with that. I don't understand why Senko no Ronde coming out on the 360 is any different.

//Zig

Ok let me explain.
I have personally have no objections at all against perfect ports of older ( other generation) games on the newest/latest hardware. I found the original statement to be a ridiculous statement (in this case) and made a (imo) just as ridiculous statement (which is why I was talking about "turning it around").

As for you not seeing the DC as a viable platform.
PLease consider that the game is on an arcade platform which basically IS a (slightly souped up) Dreamcast. This makes a DC port relatively much easier than other ports. Easier in this case means: less effort needed, resulting in less time needed, which means (not always, but does in this case) less development costs. Therefore the game would have to sell less copies than a X360 platform port to be profitable. Noone has a X360. The prospects in the west might be ok for the X360, but in Japan (the game's target audience) it's gonna be another niche effort by MS again.
And with a no doubt very strict region lockout noone in the west is going to be able to play the game unless they import a JP X360 or (if even possible) have their console modded, facing being blocked from the "Live" network.

A Dreamcast port would defenitely be a viable choice, especially since it very import friendly and the almost native system of the game.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:04 am

Kron wrote:Have you forgotton what hardware the Arcade version runs on?

Have you forgotten it's possible to make ports better than their arcade release (ex: DDP PS and Mars Matrix)? I can't barely think of any shooters ever released on consoles that couldn't have benefited in some way from being on superior hardware. The only people "losing" out here is a small group of importers that want to cling to the past, I'm sure G.rev feels for you

, but releasing it on the 360 not only guarantees an at least equal and likely superior product, but it also guarantees them more profit. How foolish of them, huh?

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:44 am

Considering the development costs of the 360, I seriously doubt they will make any profit at all, And since when did releasing a game on newer hardware guarantee more profit? Where are you pulling this from?

And the "only" people loosing out are the ones who actually want to support G.Rev and play the game easily, The "small" group of importers gave Border Down just under 50% of its sales and they won't be there for Ronde.

I can't believe people still don't realise how much of a non entity a microsoft console is in Japan and the perception of the new one is not any different.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:31 am

Actually, the user base at launch (of anything) is smaller than the current gen. While there's more competition on this gen, they have to assume the worst for the 360 user base. M$ is greasing the wheels... not a doubt in my mind.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:18 am

I say fair play to MS for going out of their way to try and drum up this sort of support in Japan. End of the day, with this somewhat open-minded attitude to publishing, how can we not benefit, unless you're one of the sad fanboys that equate buying a MS machine to selling your soul? More support for smaller publishers=more old school goodness, simple.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:38 pm

Zigfried the Trizealot wrote:I'd have no objections whatsoever to seeing Tatsujin-Ou come out on the PS2...

petition please. maybe the now defunct Toaplan will hear our cries of longing and...

p.s. i was planning on extending it. something like Toaplan sending some employess forward in time to give us a ps2 compilation of their entire catalogue. it would have read like a short story, and also been frickin hilarious.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:41 pm

Kron wrote:Just because something is on higher specced hardware doesn't mean its going to be a better product, Look at the Xbox shmups for a start.

To be completely honest I could care less about the majority rule on this site that "champions" the PS2 everytime, For a group of people supporting a supposidly niche genre choosing to do so on a single hardware set is just limiting options even more.

How is that limiting options? Spreading exclusive releases out on many systems just limits gamers options by forcing them to buy or hold on to outdated hardware because a handful of gamers refuse to let things go. Having them on one system isn't limiting, it's having exclusives on various platforms that's limited. It forces people who have economic constraints to pare down their choices and have great games unavailable to them. You're forgetting that not everyone has the money or space to own a half dozen systems just for a few games.

aesthetik · Post by **aesthetik** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:59 pm

No big loss,really.

I played Ronde for a good half-hour lastnight at AI,and it really isn't that great of a shooter (if at all).

It's more like a 2-D Virtual-On than it is shmup,imo

You were there, BIG? What time? Me and my friend were there from around 11:30 until close...

After playing Ronde and beating it on 1 credit, I have to agree with BIG - it's not much of a shooter really, and it is indeed somewhat like Virtual on. However, I do think it's quite a loss if we never see it over here. Also, I think the 360 is one of the better systems to put it on, as I feel the game needs a multiplayer venue (such as live) in order to get the most out of it. If you don't have friends to compete against, the game would get old fast; hell, after I beat the game twice, with no one around to compete against, I was done, and I don't have inclination to go back if there's no one to battle against.

With all these shmup titles being announced for the 360, I'm beginning to wonder if we will even be able to play any of them.... I wish they would simply do away with region lockout.....

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:41 pm

Why do you guys expect Ronde to be just another shooter? We have known for sometime it is a VS. game and should be played with two people. 1P mode is going to suck, the AI is dumb as hell.

TerminasluT · Post by **TerminasluT** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:33 pm

I guess ill have to wait and see if the 360 is easy to mod... ( so I can import this ) tho I wished this was one of the last DC game...

Guess ill stick with my PC shmups for now!

Zigfried the Trizealot · Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:00 pm

Super Laydock wrote:A Dreamcast port would defenitely be a viable choice, especially since it very import friendly and the almost native system of the game.

The Dreamcast wouldn't have the online component, therefore it's not a viable choice for Senko no Ronde.

I could offer more reasons (such as Sega's withdrawal from assisting in DC game distribution) but the one reason is enough in this particular case.

//Zig

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:37 pm

Kron wrote:Considering the development costs of the 360, I seriously doubt they will make any profit at all, And since when did releasing a game on newer hardware guarantee more profit? Where are you pulling this from?

And the "only" people loosing out are the ones who actually want to support G.Rev and play the game easily, The "small" group of importers gave Border Down just under 50% of its sales and they won't be there for Ronde.

I can't believe people still don't realise how much of a non entity a microsoft console is in Japan and the perception of the new one is not any different.

If you haven't noticed all the Japanese developers jumping on board the 360, it's clear this system won't be a repeat of the original Xbox. And this comment by you says it all, "The "small" group of importers gave Border Down just under 50% of its sales and they won't be there for Ronde." If Senko came out for and sold well on the DC, you can assume that it sold a couple thousand copies and this assumption is based on Border Down, which was a true shooter and arguably better game, and came out two years ago, even less people care about the DC now. Even bad selling games on viable consoles sell a heck of a lot more than a few thousand copies. G.rev isn't stupid.

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:14 am

Soundtrack?

jp · Post by jp » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:53 pm

Microsoft: "You guys make good games, why don't you bring it out on our system? Maybe we'll even foot the bill to release your classic style 2D game in the states as well so more of our users can enjoy it, especially the hardcore gamers."

Sony: "A 2D game? Bitch, this is cell processing. Bling bling blingity blingy yo! That shit better be in a collection or something, otherwise you can fuckin' forget that shit coming to the states... PERIOD! Stupid ass 2D game makers and their antiquated foolishness, WE ROLL WIT THE Z-AXIS G!"

Shmups.com: "I hate Microsoft, why the fuck should I buy a 360? Microsoft sucks. Fuck them. Expensive ass multiple package consoles, to hell with that. Why can't this be on the PS2/PS3/PSX+(number of Sony consoles currently out), I don't understand."

Dreamcast: "I'm dead, but I love you too."

I love you guys, no seriously.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:33 pm

jp wrote:Microsoft: "You guys make good games, why don't you bring it out on our system? Maybe we'll even foot the bill to release your classic style 2D game in the states as well so more of our users can enjoy it, especially the hardcore gamers."

Exactly, what's why people should be happy about this. I can see the 360 becoming a viable 2D machine if all the companies that have signed on produce quality projects. And to think westerners might be able to actually enjoy this games without having to import everything. Face it, the DC isn't an option, it's PS3 or 360, so everyone who is sick of Sony and their BS should be supporting the 360. Memo to Cave and Arika: Ketsui on the 360. And who wants to play shooters with a boomerang anyway?

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:32 pm

Wireless X360 Arcade Stick announced
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/doc ... /ggl09.htm

Should be good for playing Senko No Ronde...

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:54 pm

jp wrote:Microsoft: "You guys make good games, why don't you bring it out on our system? Maybe we'll even foot the bill to release your classic style 2D game in the states as well so more of our users can enjoy it, especially the hardcore gamers."

Sony: "A 2D game? Bitch, this is cell processing. Bling bling blingity blingy yo! That shit better be in a collection or something, otherwise you can fuckin' forget that shit coming to the states... PERIOD! Stupid ass 2D game makers and their antiquated foolishness, WE ROLL WIT THE Z-AXIS G!"

Shmups.com: "I hate Microsoft, why the fuck should I buy a 360? Microsoft sucks. Fuck them. Expensive ass multiple package consoles, to hell with that. Why can't this be on the PS2/PS3/PSX+(number of Sony consoles currently out), I don't understand."

Dreamcast: "I'm dead, but I love you too."

I love you guys, no seriously.

Best quote of this topic!!!

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:02 am

Thunder Force wrote:Wireless X360 Arcade Stick announced
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/doc ... /ggl09.htm

Should be good for playing Senko No Ronde...

that thing is pretty sexy lookin, and not just because of the leg shes showing.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:07 am

jp wrote:Microsoft: "You guys make good games, why don't you bring it out on our system? Maybe we'll even foot the bill to release your classic style 2D game in the states as well so more of our users can enjoy it, especially the hardcore gamers."

Sony: "A 2D game? Bitch, this is cell processing. Bling bling blingity blingy yo! That shit better be in a collection or something, otherwise you can fuckin' forget that shit coming to the states... PERIOD! Stupid ass 2D game makers and their antiquated foolishness, WE ROLL WIT THE Z-AXIS G!"

Shmups.com: "I hate Microsoft, why the fuck should I buy a 360? Microsoft sucks. Fuck them. Expensive ass multiple package consoles, to hell with that. Why can't this be on the PS2/PS3/PSX+(number of Sony consoles currently out), I don't understand."

Dreamcast: "I'm dead, but I love you too."

I love you guys, no seriously.

JP, this is such a good point, I've totally been blowing off microsoft, but it is sony that has been blowing off the games I love. Maybe I've been chosing the wrong side?

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:48 am

CMoon wrote:this is such a good point, I've totally been blowing off microsoft, but it is sony that has been blowing off the games I love.

That's only SCEA though with the anti-2D policy isn't it, not the "real" Sony - SCEI

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:12 am

Nemo wrote:
jp wrote:Microsoft: "You guys make good games, why don't you bring it out on our system? Maybe we'll even foot the bill to release your classic style 2D game in the states as well so more of our users can enjoy it, especially the hardcore gamers."
Exactly, what's why people should be happy about this. I can see the 360 becoming a viable 2D machine if all the companies that have signed on produce quality projects. And to think westerners might be able to actually enjoy this games without having to import everything. Face it, the DC isn't an option, it's PS3 or 360, so everyone who is sick of Sony and their BS should be supporting the 360. Memo to Cave and Arika: Ketsui on the 360. And who wants to play shooters with a boomerang anyway?

I can see it becoming a viable 2D machine in Japan, but not here. Let's face it folks, shmups are not the only 2D games that are not mainstream over here-2D gaming in general is not mainstream anymore. And if I'm gonna fork over the dough for some expensive import, next-gen hardware and software, right now the J-PSTwo would still be my best option.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:14 am

jp wrote: Sony: "A 2D game? Bitch, this is cell processing. Bling bling blingity blingy yo! That shit better be in a collection or something, otherwise you can fuckin' forget that shit coming to the states... PERIOD! Stupid ass 2D game makers and their antiquated foolishness, WE ROLL WIT THE Z-AXIS G!"

Uhh yeah, how many shmups (not those in collections) are available for the US XBOX? None-oh wait, I forgot, Xyanide is coming out. That'll be one.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:19 am

I'm not really worried about the Dreamcast's holiness or anything. I just wish I didn't have to buy a new console to try this game.

Why can't they port it to regular fucking Xbox? I already own one of those. Is VGA that important? I already have Xbox live. I don't want to buy another sub.

Regular Xbox isn't even that worthwhile if you don't love 3rd strike, make good games for that first.