Anyone planning to pick up Chaos Field for the GC?

al138 · Post by **al138** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:51 pm

I think I'm going to do so. It will really be a change of pace, especially considering that I have not bought a new title for my GC in almost a year. The release date is still pegged for 10/18 in the US, and I've almost thought of doing a preorder.

Any more news on the title?

kidneythief · Post by **kidneythief** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:41 pm

no because chaos field blows anyway

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:48 pm

Fuck Chaos Field.

Seriously. I'm sick of hearing about it. It sucked bovine gonads, and it's an insult to see such a piece of shit ported to the GC, when plenty of Cave shooters never made it over here. Again, fuck Chaos Field. It's a piss-poor Radiant Silvergun wannabe anyway.

On a related note, when the fuck is Treasure gonna re-release Radiant Silvergun on a next-gen console? It's about goddamn time. >:/

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:50 pm

I'd be excited about the US release if I didn't already have the JP release and if the PS2 release wasn't just months away...

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:48 pm

I'm going to get the GC port. I found out about a US release just as I was planning to order the Jap version. In the usual case I find out about these things a day or two AFTER I need to know.

BUHA · Post by **BUHA** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:50 pm

I'm mad. IF they can port CF over to the US why can't they port DDPDOJ? It's not like CF has more popularity and will sell better or something.

al138 · Post by **al138** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:12 pm

I had no idea that this game could elicit such harsh criticism. All input is appreciated! As for myself, I'm not expecting a spectacular game, but based on everything I have read, I do think Chaos Field will be a competent release. If nothing else, its a good way to support a genre that is almost dead in the United States.

And if it isn't, I'm only out $25-$30 and I still have another addition to my library.

Which brings me to my next thought, and it sort of goes along with what BUHA has said. Perhaps with a relatively strong showing, small time publishers may be more willing to draw from the huge well of Japanese shooters and start releasing them here. With minimal production and translation costs, these shooters should be a small-fry publisher's dream. I would LOVE to see any of the DDP series come out on console in the states, as well as some old favorites that have yet to be put out on the next gen systems. And like Zweihander said, how much effort would it be to release a version of Radient Silvergun for the GC, PS2, or XB in the US? Granted, it wouldn't be a million-seller, but I would think it could clear 50-75K easily.

Accutron · Post by **Accutron** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:26 pm

al138 wrote:I had no idea that this game could elicit such harsh criticism.

Didn't you hear? Zweihander's parents were killed by a copy of Chaos Field.

kidneythief · Post by **kidneythief** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:09 pm

Chaos Field is 3D. Boom, theres your answer

In the eyes of most mainstream gamers, cave titles AND chaos field are probably equally mediocre, although obviously anybody who has played them knows that chaos field is the most worthless crap title ever released (well ok, maybe not, but it's still up there on the list)

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:02 pm

Why the fixation on Cave games in this thread? It would be great to get a port of Border Down here in the US, and I think such a port would have a much better chance of success here than a port of ESPGaluda. I agree: it would have been nice to have a DDP DOJ release here. Since I already have the game, I would mostly be interested to see how the public would react to it. But the focus on Cave in this thread is, to my mind, a bit arbitrary: there are LOTS of games I'd like to see get US releases.

BUHA · Post by **BUHA** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:12 pm

Personally, I'd like to see DDPDOJ come to the states, just because it's one of the only "new" shmups that I'm interested in. That's just me. There IS a lot of cave craziness going on, but maybe people just honestly like the games more than other recent titles.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:54 pm

Accutron wrote:Didn't you hear? Zweihander's parents were killed by a copy of Chaos Field.

I laughed my ass off at that one. XD True, I may be harsh toward it (and I'm SO glad I acquired an "evaluation copy", rather than shell out $60+shipping for that piece of crap), but I have my reasons.

Then again, maybe I've just been spoiled by the excellent games from Treasure, Cave, and others... In other words, comparing Chaos Field to, say, DDPDOJ is (IMHO) like comparing Project S-11 to Solar Striker. It aspires to model itself after a standard-setting classic, yet fails miserably.

The controls were horrible, the field-changing thing (as sloppily-done as it was) was about the only redeeming quality, and the Shmups.com review (WAY overrated, 7 out of 10) got my hyped up for a MAJOR let-down. I haven't felt so cheated since Devil May Cry 2, and THAT is saying something.

I didn't mean to turn this into a MileStone vs. Cave/Treasure/everyone else war, I was merely giving an example: shitty 3-D games are apparently more worthwhile than ANYTHING with less than three dimensions, according to the American gaming industry. My bad for believing otherwise. :/

Milestone is a young company with MUCH to learn; sure, they throw in the styles of Radiant (sword), Ikaruga (field-changing), RayForce (lock-ons), and a general Alfa System/ Cave overall mood (disgusting ammounts of bullets in the later rounds), but in the end, they lost sight of what makes a shmup memorable: something all its own.

Einhander: grab enemy gunpods.
Cave: hoarding enemy bullets as coins.
Treasure: sheer imagination and perfection.
Gradius: classic power-up system.
R-Type: Force tactics.
RayForce: lock-on lasers.
Darius: giant fucking FISH.
Border Down: alternate routes and the G-Darius Laser Of Doom.
Proto-shmups: the deities of the past which influence the tomorrow.
Chaos Field: ....??????????????

My point is, 20 years from now, what will Chaos Field be remembered for?

My apologies for the long rant. ^^; And no disrespect to people supporting it; true, shmups are all but dead in the current U.S. gaming market, and it needs something to spark an interest again. Chaos Field may very well segregate rather than attract: hardcore shmuppers may hate it, and newcomers may very well dismiss all shmups as "another Chaos Field".

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:25 am

Zwei compliments for ZweiHander:
Eins, you have one of the coolest names on the forum (maybe zweiter place, after BulletMagnet).
Zwei, your argument is very persuasive. In spite of your argument, and Rob's claim that Chaos Field is "tragic" in its badness, I'm still going to get it for all the obvious reasons.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:23 am

Accutron wrote:
al138 wrote:I had no idea that this game could elicit such harsh criticism.
Didn't you hear? Zweihander's parents were killed by a copy of Chaos Field.

- Chaos Field is a cool game. I already have the DC version so no need for me to get GC too.

Moogs · Post by **Moogs** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:25 am

Zweihander wrote:My point is, 20 years from now, what will Chaos Field be remembered for?

I dunno. Pissing you off, maybe?

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:41 am

OK, back on topic, the PS2 version is gonna be called Chaos Field: New Order. Gamespot has a demo video of it. Anyone got more info?

EDIT: Gamestop to Gamespot

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:53 am

Zweihander wrote: My apologies for the long rant. ^^; And no disrespect to people supporting it; true, shmups are all but dead in the current U.S. gaming market, and it needs something to spark an interest again. Chaos Field may very well segregate rather than attract: hardcore shmuppers may hate it, and newcomers may very well dismiss all shmups as "another Chaos Field".

i can easily see how one could be very disapointed by chaos field if he was hyped up for it. personnaly i bought it with low expectations and my initial impressions were negative, i only continued to play it because of the music, then only it began to grow on me.
it's not a game that you can play the wrong way and still have fun with (unlike say radiant), if you don't play for score it will be like an average doujin. still, it's not complete shit by far, and it has its moments (the 2 last stages are the best).
not that you have to like it or anything though, but i'll keep an eye on milestone

qatmix · Post by **qatmix** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:54 am

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Cause it had a top soundtrack? Being a game that the blinkered few didnt like? Cause it did not save high-scores?

I have it on DC, and its not the greatest ever shooter, but I do really enjoy the game it has a raw edge which coupled with teh music playing though a large amp makes for a satisfying shump experience..

As to a GC version, if there was a Pal GC relaease i would give it a punt as the GC version is ment to be different to the DC one

jiji · Post by **jiji** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:05 pm

Yes, definitely picking it up. I tried out the DC version once and was disappointed by some sloppiness in the interface and all the slowdown, but the game is interesting enough to me that I'd like to play the polished-up GC version. I like the scoring mechanisms quite a bit, and the music is fantastic. It's a better example of 'shooting love' than a certain other Naomi-original shooter.

Plus, it'll be cheap!

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:30 pm

i plan on getting it, but will i ahve the money when it comes out? who can say.

i, like many others who haven't played it, am not expecting anything extraordinary, but it looked interesting from the footage i did see.

Platypus[gEc] · Post by **Platypus[gEc]** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:45 pm

I own the jap version, but 'cause of the freeloader problem (it wipes memcards) i haven't played it a lot yet. I plan on playing it though, specially after watching the VTF footage of stages 1 to 3 ...

LSU · Post by **LSU** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:20 pm

I have the DC import too. Can't say I particularly like or dislike it - it just seems very average to me. I do like the music though.

Isn't the new US GC version supposed to have more improvements on top of the already tweaked Jap GC release? If they can further tighten up some aspects of it, it might be a nice budget purchase..?

ThirdStrike · Post by **ThirdStrike** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:24 pm

Would I get bashed if I said I love Chaos Field I find it very challenging and its refreshing to have a Shmup where you only endure boss battles.

Radiant Silvergun and Chaos Field are not the same.

Radiant Silvergun is in another league.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:52 pm

ThirdStrike wrote:Radiant Silvergun and Chaos Field are not the same.

Radiant Silvergun is in another league.

Agreed, I meant the sloppy handling of the double swords in Chaos Field. Though stylish, it did lead me numerous times to be too preoccupied with slashing in defense, until the boss eventually timed out. The ability to shoot limited shots during the slashing would have worked. :/

Also, @ all comments on the soundtrack: Yes, C.F. DID have a very addictive soundtrack. Now, if I could get ahold of the OST (legally or otherwise) I'd jam that shit 24/5 (since i do stuff on the weekends

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@ keeping an eye on Milestone: Yes, I have faith they'll eventually make something that'll be herralded(sp?) for years to come, they're just... young. Animals, including humans, do stupid shit as youngsters, but later become aged with wisdom, and make smart decisions. Let's hope companies like Milestone will fall into this pattern.

@ the Gamecube version: I like the idea of actual stages, or at least warm-up enemies before the bosses. One thing that could use improving is the return-to-Order-Field timing. You basically have a 5-second rule, but it would help to see an on-screen display, ala Giga Wing's Reflect Force timer, or Mars Matrix's similar gauge(sp?).

Oh yeah...
EDIT:

professor ganson wrote:Zwei compliments for ZweiHander:
Eins, you have one of the coolest names on the forum (maybe zweiter place, after BulletMagnet).
Zwei, your argument is very persuasive. In spite of your argument, and Rob's claim that Chaos Field is "tragic" in its badness, I'm still going to get it for all the obvious reasons.

Why, danke. ^_^ You make me blush.

The name was inspired by my concept of Squaresoft making a sequel to Einhander, and calling it Zweihander. Two hands, yo! Oddly enough, back when i played GunZ: The Duel Online (anyone remember that Koreapanese game?), I made my handle Zweihander.. people thought I played Ragnarok or something. XD

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:32 am

eh. GC port probably won't be nearly as good as the DC version (GC butchered Ikaruga...), and if CF has to be ported, why not port it to something else? Why GC, and for that matter why not a different game? Where's Espgaluda, or the new DDP. SO MANY import shooters will probably never get a western release, simply due to the fact publishers tell the customers what they want. I'm so fucking sick of great shooters not making it to the west. Betting every person on this forum feels the same. *random cursing* Also, on a side note: I like Chaos Field. It's not the best shooter out there, but I like it. People shit on this game time, and time again. It's pretty good if you actually play through it...

jiji · Post by **jiji** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:42 am

superhitachi4 wrote:eh. GC port probably won't be nearly as good as the DC version (GC butchered Ikaruga...), and if CF has to be ported, why not port it to something else? Why GC, and for that matter why not a different game?

The JP GC version has been out for months now, and it's better than the DC version. The DC port's slowdown has been cleaned up, it has memory card score-saving support, and there's a new arrange mode with small enemies between bosses.

superhitachi4 · Post by **superhitachi4** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:51 am

Yeah, I know the JP version's been out for a while. Haven't had the chance to play it yet.

kidneythief · Post by **kidneythief** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:37 am

they look more like windshield wipers to me

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:01 am

superhitachi4 wrote:It's pretty good if you actually play through it...

Played through the entire game (all 5 bossfest levels of it), and STILL wanted my blank CD-R back. :/

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:58 pm

superhitachi4 wrote:Where's Espgaluda, or the new DDP. SO MANY import shooters will probably never get a western release, simply due to the fact publishers tell the customers what they want.

also consider how much it would cost to get the rights to a cave game for the western market. cave is HUGE. milestone is tiny.