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Skykid wrote: It just seems Japan struggles more in the present day to know 'what Japanese is.' America has it's own identity now, whereas Japan is kind of a smorgasboard of everyone else's. Weird place. :)
Which is totally ironic as it has the highest homogeneity amongst the G7.
Yes, rather an odd paradox that. The documentary skims Japan's xenophobia so briefly it barely registers (although the Ultra Quiz penalty was harsh, that guy thought he was going to die.)

They may like foreign stuff only at arms length, but it doesn't stop them from sleeping with foreigners. I saw all sorts of suits walking around with blonde lithuanian trophies last two trips.
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Checked out the Aum Shinrikyo documentary on Youtube, great stuff. Thanks for the recommendation!
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adversity1 wrote:Checked out the Aum Shinrikyo documentary on Youtube, great stuff. Thanks for the recommendation!
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adversity1 wrote:Checked out the Aum Shinrikyo documentary on Youtube, great stuff. Thanks for the recommendation!
Is that in relation to this one, or a different one:

Zero Hour - Terror in Tokyo

^ Watched this last night. I remember when the gas attacks happened, but I was too young to pay much attention to the details. Probably burning through an oz. of weed in a dark room or something.

Really creepy documentary though, the reconstruction was edgy. I didn't know anything about Aum (cool Manga bro) but they're another valid reason to take burning torches to religious institutions and their leaders.

Good stuff Rancor. I'm going to check out that one about the chick who went to North Korea, but it's feature-length so I need put time aside.
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Went through a few of the vids so far

-Tokyo Sarin Gas Attack
-Japan Suicides
-Akibahara Geeks

Really great videos, you did a good job of "scouring the planet" lol
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Really creepy documentary though, the reconstruction was edgy. I didn't know anything about Aum (cool Manga bro) but they're another valid reason to take burning torches to religious institutions and their leaders.
Read "Underground" by Haruki Murakami. It's an easy read, as I have read it. (Only thing I've read by him, and it's non-fiction.) I don't know if it's the gospel, but it will give you not only an interesting insight into Aum (most were against the attacks) but also at Japanese society's ability to sweep shit under the rug, as well as blame and inspire shame in people for some pretty shitty reasons.
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Right, apologies in advance, because this will probably require its own thread. Appealing to Rancor, Gaijinpunch and other JP residents or clued up sociologists to chime in.

The New God
Rancor wrote:You'll probably finish this movie just as confused as this girl was.
Lol, indeed, she was confused, but even though this documentary isn't really that entertaining, it got my brain going. It was a little bit like getting a back stage pass on Japanese mentality. I don't think that was its purpose, but indirectly, while seeing how the the two nationalists relate to themselves and other Japanese people, it ended up being psychologically broader.

Firstly, someone needs to kill that fucking band.

Secondly, how indicative of Japanese mentality is the film as a whole in relation to post war sentiment? There seemed to be a lot of questions around xenophobia, feelings of uselessness, monotony and lack of expression that collided in this film. In a way, it made me think of the Japanese as an eternally dissatisfied nation who have enjoyed economic success, but don't feel successful as people. Does this have any truth? (I know it's a sweeping statement.) I can only assume that to have the highest suicide rate year on year you need to be relatively dissatisfied about something.

Amamiya's need to find a national unity even had her doting on North Korean communist propaganda. That's a pretty desperate thing. She also refers to life in Japan as empty and monotonous with no sense of national pride.

One of the most interesting things was hearing someone talk so candidly about being under the thumb of 'imperialist America'. 'Post-war' democracy was an issue raised several times, like it's some kind of charade, and the country lacks a true identity because of it.

The more they talked about respecting the war dead and the Yasukuni Shrine, the love for the Emperor and the need for Japanese people to take ownership of their race again, I suddenly started to see them as a people with imperialist aspirations who were essentially repressed in their pursuit of building the great Japanese Empire as a result of two atomic bombs.

In history they have always tried to conquer their neighbours, always tried to make Japan into a true empire. If they fail, they give it a rest for a bit, and then try again. So I got this funny thought that, perhaps their dissatisfaction as a race is because they're yet to be successful in their pursuit to fulfil some kind of imperialist destiny, where they're recognised as a power of some kind. Instead they've been forced to be content with gadgets and pornography, and that's not enough to satisfy?

They seem like they need to chill the fuck out tbh, but I'm not sure they're capable of it. :)

Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Definitely interested to hear if all this is my overactive imagination or if any of it rings true for you long term residents.
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One of the most interesting things was hearing someone talk so candidly about being under the thumb of 'imperialist America'. 'Post-war' democracy was an issue raised several times, like it's some kind of charade, and the country lacks a true identity because of it.
I think now is an interesting time to be studying Japan (even though potentially worthless from a language standpoint). Within the next 20-30 years, we could see Japan's 3rd transformation in recent history. However, this could be a self-imposed transformation, completely differing from the Meiji Restoration or the post war reforms which were both brought about by the good old US of A.

The two extremes of the situation are 1: Japan's political impotence (this is where the charade comment hits home) becomes brazenly apparent to the rest of the world and it is recognized as a lame duck country. Or 2: they wake up and smell the roses, and get on the long and painful path to profitability. This means actually doing something. Making laws with teeth. Making laws and making companies stick to them (Olympus, Tepco). Most likely what will happen is somewhere in the middle, and of course, that gives people room to debate themselves to death, and Japan sinks further into mediocrity.

I think Japan has an identity. As unique of one as America, but for different reasons. They have kicked, fought, and screamed to do it "their way" forever... even after Perry got them to "open up". Even now, very few are trying to get long term immigrants to move in. And now they're paying the price. Maybe the jokes on us and they will have the last laugh. I certainly hope so. But there are fewer and fewer foreign companies coming to Japan, and more and more leaving. Lack of internationalization for an export-heavy country is obviously not a good thing. But nobody seems to be doing anything to getting that money back. Meanwhile, Japan is losing money hand over fist where it used to dominate.
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^ Right, so from your perspective, elements of dissatisfaction and need for greater nationalisation is primarily down to economics and a weak political system?

I can see that. I've known a few long term Gaijin in Japan, a couple still there and one who came back because he couldn't take it anymore. He was a newspaper journalist and columnist, and said he found the 'system' too barking mad, that the need to save face extended to things like tearing down perfectly good buildings to put up new ones just to have the appearance of productivity, and the same was happening in real estate - except they keep erecting new apartments no-one can afford to live in etc.

That suicide documentary did relate ALL its deaths to work related stresses, even if it didn't look into the system to any great degree, but I assume a lack of proper employment law is partly-responsible (as in, no human resources, instant sacking etc.)

After sleeping on it though, I still think that documentary was indicative of a people with a deep-rooted imperialist desire yet to be fulfilled. We already about know the xenophobia and that they consider all other Asian races to be lower forms of life - and the several failed attempts to expand - so it's in their blood I reckon. They're like little frustrated conquerers who haven't achieved any conquering and it's driven them a bit stir crazy. :D
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Skykid wrote:Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Definitely interested to hear if all this is my overactive imagination or if any of it rings true for you long term residents.
Your post reminded me of the time the late Patrice O'Neal discussed Fight Club.
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Hard for me to comment on any any of the films in the OP as I've not seen a single one. However, before you look too deep into the psyche of the Japanese populace, you should look at some recent statistics, taken by Japanese nonetheless. Generally, happiness (and lack thereof), and why. Dunno... when I hear the data extrapolated from these numbers, the Japanese populace understanding Imperialism to me, seems about as plausible as inter-planetary travel being understood by... say... a dog. How can you think of something on such a macro level when clearly the micro is either misunderstood or simply ignored.

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MM, that shit was funny! I don't think I read into it quite that wildly tho.
GaijinPunch wrote:Hard for me to comment on any any of the films in the OP as I've not seen a single one. However, before you look too deep into the psyche of the Japanese populace, you should look at some recent statistics, taken by Japanese nonetheless. Generally, happiness (and lack thereof), and why. Dunno... when I hear the data extrapolated from these numbers, the Japanese populace understanding Imperialism to me, seems about as plausible as inter-planetary travel being understood by... say... a dog. How can you think of something on such a macro level when clearly the micro is either misunderstood or simply ignored.
Good point. I just wonder if at some level deeper than micro/macro there's a frustration that's lingered since the war because of its outcome and subsequent political rearrangement. I completely see how the management of the country is going to be a more immediate factor in the population's unhappiness tho (like anywhere.)

Japan's social issues are interesting because it's such a smorgasboard of internal conflicts, none of which can be manifested emotionally because it's not in their nature - but they're still human beings, so that must be tough (to the point of suicide I suppose.)

The New God isn't very interesting and I don't really agree with the Nationalism of its protagonists, but it was unusual to hear people talking about finding a purpose as a race and breaking free from the grip of American Imperialism. It's like a national identity crisis. :idea:
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It's summer 2013 now - Shall we continue where we left off, gents? 8)

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If you're feeling good about yourself and humanity, I suggest you watch "Girl Model" this summer. It'll bring you back down into a depression.
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Can't watch the STG history here. :(
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Should work now. There was a 15 second clip of a song by some nobody over the end credits that was blocking the video. It's been removed. :wink:
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I'm glad this has become a little forum tradition. :smile:
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rancor wrote:Should work now. There was a 15 second clip of a song by some nobody over the end credits that was blocking the video. It's been removed. :wink:
Worked like a charm. Thanks!
(Needed some Alfa Sys love though. :P)


Also, pretty sure I recognized a Serial Experiments Lain track...
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Interesting, I'm in.
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Gotta make some time... :(
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What's Girl Model like? I saw it on Netflix the other day but decided not to watch because I didn't know what to expect.
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to the guys interested in aum i would also reccomend this documentary

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0241146/

the one i saw was labelled a1 and a2 and split into 2 parts so i don't know whether there was a follow up or whether both the parts are contained in the one doc?
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Can't wait tune in and tune out tonight. Thanks!

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