DDP:DOJ Chained First Stage!

slateman · Post by **slateman** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:09 pm

I'm one of those intermediate players 'round these parts. I can't 1CC anything, but can get close to the bottom of several high score charts. I also have proclaimed that DoDon Pachi: Dai-Ou-Jou is the best shmup ever, on several occasions.

Well, since getting the game when it was released on the PS2, some 2 1/2 years ago, I've consistently gotten better and better. My high score still sits around 45 million, my chain was just around 600.

COUNTLESS runs, incessant practice and memorization...and I've *FINALLY* managed to chain level 1 in its entirety!

Sure...a small feat to many of you out there, perhaps it shouldn't have taken me 30 months to do so...but some of you may appreciate the gratification felt upon reaching such a feat. It wasn't perfect, but at 682 hits, that shattered my old record...and I'm giddy with excitement. Thought I might share w/ you this, as everyone else looks at me like I'm a nut.

Post by **undamned** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:25 pm

Congrats, man! I'm not the quickest learner, either, but I probably experienced similar feelings when I first chained the first two parts of DDP stage one (still have yet to chain that wing-bomber).

-ud

Post by **Dave_K.** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:29 pm

Nice job slateman! Did you use the no bullet option to train yourself on how to accomplish the chain? Or is that not very usefull?

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:32 pm

I wouldn't feel bad - I'm supposed to be a Gradius expert and yet V is still kicking my ass hard on the asteroid stage. I can beat the game in under 3 creds no sweat - but killing that boss in the asteroid field without dying is the biggest bitch ever!

Other people here seem to have no trouble with V.

slateman · Post by **slateman** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:11 pm

Tks guys!

No Bullet Mode doesn't help me much, b/c bullets dictate the specific 'where' and 'when' of a chain IMO. Just rote memorization, really. 2 and a half years, hope to remember each bullet by now!

And Gradius V kicks my ass too. Level 6. Urgh.

If my system board didn't just die, I'd capture it. Soon...in the meantime, work on getting the 2nd hyper after the double bees to the left of the stage. Game rules.

BR1 · Post by **BR1** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:45 pm

Congratulations!

Chaining an entire level in a DDP is seriously hard!

But listen: it's a long long road!

Now, you just have to manage how to get >800 Hit!

DOJ is unbelievably hard if you play for score!

snap monkey · Post by **snap monkey** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:10 am

How many hypers did you use for 682 hits? From videos I've seen, you can get ~450 hits without.

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:14 am

slateman wrote:I'm one of those intermediate players 'round these parts. I can't 1CC anything, but can get close to the bottom of several high score charts. I also have proclaimed that DoDon Pachi: Dai-Ou-Jou is the best shmup ever, on several occasions.

i agree..i love it so much..i bought it again!!!!i believe this game is as hard as ketsui!!!

BR1 · Post by **BR1** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:17 am

snap monkey wrote:How many hypers did you use for 682 hits? From videos I've seen, you can get ~450 hits without.

No Hyper: +530
1 Hyper: +650
2 Hypers: +770

More or less

Nei First · Post by **Nei First** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:28 am

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP wrote:
slateman wrote:I'm one of those intermediate players 'round these parts. I can't 1CC anything, but can get close to the bottom of several high score charts. I also have proclaimed that DoDon Pachi: Dai-Ou-Jou is the best shmup ever, on several occasions.

i agree..i love it so much..i bought it again!!!!i believe this game is as hard as ketsui!!!

Yeah, this game is quality. It's among some of the best I think.

Post by **Icarus** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:40 am

snap monkey wrote:How many hypers did you use for 682 hits? From videos I've seen, you can get ~450 hits without.

My best Stage 1 Hyperless chain was 545HIT. I might have missed a few things along the way, so maybe 550HIT+ is possible.

snap monkey · Post by **snap monkey** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:34 am

BR1 wrote:No Hyper: +530
1 Hyper: +650
2 Hypers: +770

More or less

Icarus wrote:My best Stage 1 Hyperless chain was 545HIT. I might have missed a few things along the way, so maybe 550HIT+ is possible.

Good to know, thanks for the education. I'm dying to play this game, though I should have a copy in my hands around December.

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:15 am

good job, and welcome to as many months of 1001 ways of breaking your stage 1 chain until it's reliable.

slateman · Post by **slateman** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:42 pm

In the section where there are 2 bees lined up vertically on the left, and one large ship, I find myself getting a 2nd hyper. I save my first up until this point. However, as I mentioned, I messed up and killed too many little ships to the right. Therefore, I needed to use my hyper to give me the added half second to keep the chain going. Otherwise, I'd have 2 hypers banked.

Once I manage to nab this icon, I know that I'll be able to hit 700. Just a matter of that + getting that *Perfect Run*.

To you pros out there...you guys get these perfect runs consistently? I'd say I have to restart 10-20 times before having a worthwhile run. And now that my top 5 all have 40-million point scores, a 'worthwhile' run is going to take a lot more.

http://www.slateman.net/beestorm/ddp3hs/

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:15 pm

slateman wrote: To you pros out there...you guys get these perfect runs consistently? I'd say I have to restart 10-20 times before having a worthwhile run. And now that my top 5 all have 40-million point scores, a 'worthwhile' run is going to take a lot more.

i'm not a pro by any means but i get the stage1 chain 95% of the time now, BUT as i said it took me a long time to go from 1st time doing full-chain to reliably doing it.
there are many reasons to break a chain that you don't know consciously when you first succeed, so you still need to fine-tune. meanwhile you will fuck up many times and get frustrated, it's normal

don't restart that much and use botched stage 1 runs to get familiar with next stages chains, because you will need it (i'm still only at 70% of the the time for the stage2 full chain).

Soldato J · Post by **Soldato J** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:04 pm

Congrats slateman, I suck at this game. It spanks my candy ass like I belong in the 3rd grade. You have inspired me to do the same--I have got to try and get better at this game......

slateman · Post by **slateman** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:15 pm

To revisit an older thread here, I managed to capture my first level chain in DOJ. It's DIVX 5.12 and clocks in at about 10.5Mb.

Not sure if anyone cares to take a peek, but...

http://slateman.net/video/ddp3_first_le ... oaudio.avi

There's the link.

It's not perfect, as I missed one bee, and never do well grabbing the last one in the middle of the combo. But, it is 795 hits, and I feel effin' thrilled every time I see it.

LMK what you think!

Xexyz · Post by **Xexyz** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:25 pm

Thats a great accomplishment slateman! I'm still breaking my Stage 1 chain about 6-7 times each plathrough...

Triple Lei · Post by **Triple Lei** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:31 pm

Congrats man. I know I still have trouble with the "double bees on the left" part sometimes.

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:00 pm

I have serious difficulty chaining the first level without using a hyper just after the rotating thingy in the middle.

Always seem to lose it just after the power up ship doing normal chaining.

Post by **Icarus** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:51 am

slateman wrote:It's not perfect, as I missed one bee, and never do well grabbing the last one in the middle of the combo. But, it is 795 hits, and I feel effin' thrilled every time I see it.

LMK what you think!

Good video, quite impressive ^_^

I noticed you missed the last bee. You had the right idea trying to activate it with a long distance Laser before the last two large flying enemies appear. However, you want to start attacking the right side large flying ship first, destroy it and immediately connect the Laser to the left side flying ship, and sweep across to the last bee.

This video clip should demonstrate what I mean a bit better than my above explanation. (XVID - 2.2MB)

slateman · Post by **slateman** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:32 am

Thanks Icarus! A compliment from you means a great deal to me!

I've always known how to get the final bee. However, by that stage I'm freaking out b/c "I've just chained the whole level!" and pushing up through those 2 ships barrage of bullets always intimidates me. Who cares if I can get an 800-hit if I die on the last guy?

Haven't practiced at all lately, but I really do get so psyched when watching that run. Great game.

Leeram · Post by **Leeram** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:51 pm

You're a God!

I simply cannot work out how to chain level one (or any level for that matter). I'm lucky if I manage to get even one hyper. I don't think I have ever managed to keep my chain going beyond the very first "base" where the screen stops scrolling. I cannot get to the large ships that come down after it in time, the meter always runs out just before I hit the first ship. But even if I carry on and try I cannot get any further. That whole section just doesn't seem to have enough ships to keep a chain going. I have watched the videos of people and everything. I have tried for hours and hours to work it out myself and I just cannot do it.

The trouble is that it gets too frustrating and makes the rest of the game lose its fun element. I'm trying at this minute simply to see if I can do the first five levels without chaining to bring back the fun and lose the frustration.

Maybe then I might head for a chain. I can't help but feel that I won't be able to do the fist five levels without chaining though, you need the hypers to do the levels effectively, and to get them you have to chain.

Cheers

Leeram

gs68 · Post by **gs68** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:51 pm

I've had DOJ since January of this year and I still can't accomplish shit on it, since I haven't had the will nor the dedication to practice. I keep breaking my chain in parts near the beginning.

I can't 1CC this game to save my life but I just won't feel satisfied if I have less than 3 million by the end of stage 1.

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:50 am

slateman wrote: I've always known how to get the final bee. However, by that stage I'm freaking out b/c "I've just chained the whole level!" and pushing up through those 2 ships barrage of bullets always intimidates me. Who cares if I can get an 800-hit if I die on the last guy?

it's much easier to get the last bee before killing the 2 large ships, the left one will not even fire because you aura'ed him and the pattern from the right one will be very easy.
dash from the bottom, make it appear at point-blank and pick it while staying in laser, and slide to the right.

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:59 am

Leeram wrote:I don't think I have ever managed to keep my chain going beyond the very first "base" where the screen stops scrolling. I cannot get to the large ships that come down after it in time, the meter always runs out just before I hit the first ship.
Leeram

here is what you do:
-you see the waves of heli just before the rotating tower? kill them slowly, like 2 C taps to get rid of the right wave, then 2 more taps to get rid of the left wave
-apply you laser to the middle of the tower and don't move horizontally at all until all rotating parts are destroyed OR they stopped moving (if you move horizontally while you're lasering a moving part, the chain WILL break)
-go pick the right bee, still lasering
-go pick the left bee, still lasering
-apply laser to the left of the tower, so that as soon as it is destroyed, the laser makes stars appear in the place above the tower.
-slowly move to the right (you make stars appear slowly to maintain your GP meter) until you make contact with the first middle ship
-as soon as contact is established, go to the right full speed still lasering. your laser will contact a small tank on the right.

Triple Lei · Post by **Triple Lei** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:18 pm

I'd just like to say that because of this thread I've been playing this game for about 6 hours yesterday.

I forgot how addictive it is thinking critically and slowly chiseling your stage chaining strategies... and when you put it all together it's just beautiful. I swear this game is part puzzle.

slateman · Post by **slateman** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:37 pm

Me too, BTW! Played a bunch yesterday. Broke my high score (45mil) AND my high chain combo!!! 809! WOW.

So, here's an updated video:

http://www.slateman.net/video/ddp3_firs ... io-809.avi

Bad capture...doesn't look so hot. AND, while I got all the bees (missed the last in combo), it's not as pretty a run as the first link I posted. But...it's 809 hits, and that is pretty sweet!

Ex_Mosquito · Post by **Ex_Mosquito** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:45 pm

Nice replay slateman!, you've got skills:)

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:38 am

Tres bien slateman, good stuff ^_^

I noticed you used a double Hyper in the mid-section of the stage. Good tactic. I tend to use a single Hyper near the start of the stage, and keep the other two for stage 2, since having 4 Hypers for the start of stage 2 helps with getting the 1800HIT.

I know I could probably get 5 Hypers for stage 2, since I tend to mistime the bee that appears to the right of the stage after the large tower (I pick it up while in Hyper). An extra Hyper would be nice...

Anyway, good stuff. Like the Donpachi announcer... "KEEP IT UP!" ^_-

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