Senko No Ronde Announced for Xbox 360

[ThirdStrike]

IN what might be the most questionable port of all time.Senko No ronde will be getting a Xbox 360 port. If there is no improvement graphically or gameplay wise this will be a DUD of a Xbox 360 release. I think this would sell more on the DEAD Dreamcast and the BEEN dead Xbox in Japan.

There is a post about this on insertcredit.com

http://www.insertcredit.com/

Basically FUCK your Fan BASE G.rev

Please excuse my language but I doubt this will sell 1000 copies in japan on Xbox 360.

Is anyone here going to pay $500 and $70 for a imported system and game. The Naomi version will be cheaper by the time it is released.

What a WASTE.

[highlandcattle]

This isn't entirely true ,You know s goo as the rest of us that most shmups get multiple platform releases.

[Dandy J]

three-six OHHHHHHHHHHH

HEAD TO HEAD, HEAD TO HEAD, HEAD TO HEAD

Yeah that kind of is waste of a 360 release, especially if it's a direct port. But I'm assuming that it'll get a PS2/DC port as well.

[ThirdStrike]

This isn't entirely true ,You know s goo as the rest of us that most shmups get multiple platform releases.

"PRAYS FOR A DREAMCAST RELEASE"


I am not really bothered by a Xbox 360 release I just think it is the wrong platform for this title. I hope they utilize the graphical capabilities of the Xbox 360 for this game. If not its like porting the original Nes Super Mario Bros to a Ps3.

The only saving grace for this title would be Xbox LIVE support but even that is possible on the ORIGINAL Xbox.

[system11]

Crazy port decision. Even the DC would have been a better choice, the PS2 optimal.

Xbox 360 is a machine for people who like to play western console games - it's the wrong userbase entirely.

[ThirdStrike]

Crazy port decision. Even the DC would have been a better choice, the PS2 optimal.

Xbox 360 is a machine for people who like to play western console games - it's the wrong userbase entirely.

Not only that but the system as of right now has NO japanese USER base and the japanese have no interest in the Xbox 360 outside of developers. Developers are not buying Xbox 360 consumers are. G.rev could learn a lesson by checking the Sales of the Original release of Shikigami No Shiro for Xbox in Japan. It was bascially non existent on the charts. At least for a Dreamcast release you can count on the 5 million worldwide installed user base and a GUARANTEED 5,000 copies sold the FIRST week to rabid dreamcast enthusiasts.


Estimated Sales numbers


Dreamcast : 5,000 copies at a average price of $60 each=$300,000
Xbox 360 : 500 copies at a average price of $70 each=$35,000
PS2 : 10,000 copies at a average price of $50 each=$500,000
Gamecube: 2,000 copies at a average price of $60=$120,000
Xbox : 1,000 copies at a average price of $40=$40,000


Sales estimates based on Genre Fan Base , Installed user base on system and average sales for related genre games on each platform.

Clearly this game would be more profitable as a PS2/Dreamcast release. Only if Microsoft or Sega Publish this title and back the port financially can this release be successful for G.Rev giving them no financial responsibility.This release could actually KILL G.Rev if it fails on Xbox 360 if they finance it themselves. I have played enough of this title to know it barely deserves a console port.

[Specineff]

I'll believe it when I see the official comment from G. Rev themselves.


Microsoft must have paid them. Shenmue 2 for Xbox anyone?

[ThirdStrike]

I'll believe it when I see the official comment from G. Rev themselves.


Microsoft must have paid them. Shenmue 2 for Xbox anyone?

What is next Radiant Silvergun 2 / Ikaruga 3 on Xbox 360?

If I remember correctly Microsoft already tried the Arcade ports trying to boost Xbox sales in japan. Anyone remember XboxArcade?

Those titles consisted of

Guilty Gear XX
Metal Slug 3
Psyvariar 2
Shikigami No Shiro 2
Snk Vs Capcom Chaos


Did any of those games even sell 1,000 copies IN JAPAN not counting importers. I DOUBT IT.

Not even Dreamcast with its HEAVY STABLE of Arcade ports probally the finest collection ever of perfect ARCADE ports could not sustain itself against the larger PS2 installed user base. And if you look mostly every recent NAOMI game has been ported to Ps2 minus the amazing Border Down, Ikaruga,Gigawing 2 And Zero gunner 2.


The only way Xbox 360 can truly be a success is to put no REGION LOCK OUT on the system or games. Meaning Japanese games work on US consoles and US games run on Japanese systems. Shit let's go one step further and even allow titles to run on PAL Xbox 360's with a NTSC selector built in of course.Giving people a choice of which titles they would like to own from 3 very specific and different GAMING REGIONS. That would truly UNITE the fan base and make the Xbox 360 accessible worldwide. Street Fighter Anniversary had this option on Xbox in Japan and sold very well.

[Specineff]

Whoa, no need to go storm M$'s quarters with the pitchforks and the torches.
Let's hope G. Rev come to their senses and see it's foolish idea to launch for a platform with a small userbase. Even the mighty Capcom had second thoughts when it came to the "exclusive" Cube titles. And that was shortly after they made the announcement.

[ThirdStrike]

Whoa, no need to go storm M$'s quarters with the pitchforks and the torches.
Let's hope G. Rev come to their senses and see it's foolish idea to launch for a platform with a small userbase. Even the mighty Capcom had second thoughts when it came to the "exclusive" Cube titles. And that was shortly after they made the announcement.

When a Japanese Consumer goes to buy a Xbox 360 they will do so to play DVD's and Media center on their TV and for games they will purchase mainstream titles like Doa 4 and Doa Volleyball 2 and whatever Tecmo pulls out their ass when the 360 is released.The prequels were the highest selling Xbox games and even they failed by standard Japanese Sales. Compare the highest selling Xbox game in Japan Dead or Alive 3 (150,000) to the highest selling Gamecube game Super Smash Bros (5 million) and Ps2 game Dragon Quest (6 million).These games are CONSOLE EXCLUSIVE hence the High sales even for Dead or Alive 3.Even Ps2 Grand Theft Auto published in Japan by Capcom has sold more then any Xbox title released . I highly doubt a Japanese consumer is going to plunk down 450,000 yen for a console and 68,000 yen for a game they can walk down the street and play at the local arcade for 100 yen. Also keep in mind the Japanese are not to keen about supporting Consoles and companies that failed in their region especially a FOREIGN company. Micro$oft pretty much abandoned the Xbox in japan alienating the 200,000 installed base they HAD (My guess Stationed US Military) . Jaguar, 3D0 , Xbox anyone?

Arcade enthusiasts and Shmup fans are usually players looking for a quick gaming fix and do not have $500 to plop down for a new game console. Buying a new Game console is a INVESTMENT.Most of us collect Saturn, Ps1/Ps2 , and Dreamcast games here and are budget gamers looking for the best and most affordable way to enjoy the games we LOVE.

Naomi Gd rom and Senko No Ronde = $1,400
Xbox 360 and Senko no Ronde = $540
Dreamcast and Senko no Ronde = $100
Having enough money to Eat and Play Senko No Ronde = Priceless.

Nuff said

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Ya know maybe the developers are actually going to let the Dreamcast...die..?

It's a weird decision sure but I expect the game to go multiplatform at some point. And if it doesn't...well...maybe Japan will have to learn to appreciate the Xbox for once.

I think the bigger issue here is pricing. I mean US X360 third party games are going to be $60. That's going to be an extremely hard sale since 2D shooters tend to get the "budget release" treatment(Gradius V and R-Type Delta were 29.99 at launch).

Japan I could care less what they think since most of the Xbox's success came from the US/Europe markets. Although if we're seeing this much Japanese support for the X360 it can only be a good thing. A dominant one console future would effectively kill off the output of good games.

Oops that explains it. Sega is publishing and they've already stopped production on the Dreamcast. So eh..

[GaijinPunch]

1: Insert Credit reports that Shmups.net reports that GRev reports. Where did G-rev say this? It's says on their page that they'll be making an announcement of their Xbox 360 game at the TGS. Not out of question, but I've yet to see a source.

2: ThirdStrike -- of course there is "NO", as you put it, 360 user base in Japan. Nor is there one anywhere outside of Microsoft headquarters.

3: Anything they put out on the Xbox anything will be b/c either MS paid them, or b/c they think it'll sell well in the west (very obviously).

4: Isn't it official that there are no more DC games?

5: How could G.Rev be screwing their fanbase by not releasing on the DC? People who really give a shit about (even fewer who get bent out of shape about) a non-DC release are very few and far between.

[ThirdStrike]

1: Insert Credit reports that Shmups.net reports that GRev reports. Where did G-rev say this? It's says on their page that they'll be making an announcement of their Xbox 360 game at the TGS. Not out of question, but I've yet to see a source.

2: ThirdStrike -- of course there is "NO", as you put it, 360 user base in Japan. Nor is there one anywhere outside of Microsoft headquarters.

3: Anything they put out on the Xbox will be b/c either MS paid them, or b/c they think it'll sell well in the west (very obviously).

4: Isn't it official that there are no more DC games?

I am counting pre orders as installed user base.
I know it sounds weird but its a good way to look at things.

[SuperPang]

Could be a positive thing for the shmup genre in general if you think about it. Seems like a crazy decision, yes, but the only explanation would be that MS went after it, as they are with a lot of very Japanese titles from very Japanese devs. They haven't given up on Japan yet. And if that means a company like MS taking notice of the appeal of a niche arcade market that's great. Sony would never put this out on launch.

[Brian]

Firstly, I think it is very funny that Third Strike has sales estimates, and then labels his estimates as "clear" evidence of the mismanagement. Third Strike's infallible estimates are no match for the econimists who work for the developers and publishers. You should really apply your knowledge with G.Rev and get on board over there, clearly they need a math genius such as yourself.

Who gives a shit what console it comes out for? I don't care that it comes out for the 360. If M$ wants to continue to support these developers, why is that a bad thing? Sony wouldn't even let SNK put out a game that wasn't packaged as a compilation with a specific price point, yada yada yada. M$, as much as I hate them from a OS standpoint, have done a commendable job of trying to get Japan involved. And, if some of the smaller developers and shooter guys can get work from them, get a widespread release, I think it's Great. Pom Pom Games is working this with M$ right now, getting their stuff onto Live for demo and sale, and I don't think any other console maker would ever let Pom Pom Games be a launch developer.

If enough developers we care about join M$, you're going to own a 360 anyway, so why not have a selection of quality to choose from?

[KBZ]

The president of G rev told DCS many months ago that this would be released on DC by the end of 2005. This seems a bit clouded now...

DCS and Dream-Storming are working together with a petition.

http://senko.dream-storming.com/

The online petition is meant for Webmasters to add their sites mainly since the official petition will be on paper and will be released after the meltyblood petition closes on the 18th of september. However, until then; please feel free to add the support of your site with the petition linked to above.

I'm quite confident that G rev has our backs.

peace,

King.

[D]

Firstly, I think it is very funny that Third Strike has sales estimates, and then labels his estimates as "clear" evidence of the mismanagement. Third Strike's infallible estimates are no match for the econimists who work for the developers and publishers. You should really apply your knowledge with G.Rev and get on board over there, clearly they need a math genius such as yourself.

Who gives a shit what console it comes out for? I don't care that it comes out for the 360. If M$ wants to continue to support these developers, why is that a bad thing? Sony wouldn't even let SNK put out a game that wasn't packaged as a compilation with a specific price point, yada yada yada. M$, as much as I hate them from a OS standpoint, have done a commendable job of trying to get Japan involved. And, if some of the smaller developers and shooter guys can get work from them, get a widespread release, I think it's Great. Pom Pom Games is working this with M$ right now, getting their stuff onto Live for demo and sale, and I don't think any other console maker would ever let Pom Pom Games be a launch developer.

If enough developers we care about join M$, you're going to own a 360 anyway, so why not have a selection of quality to choose from?

Don't fuck with Third Strike. He'll super special yo ass.
Third, sup, thanks for the news.

[Recap]

1: Insert Credit reports that Shmups.net reports that GRev reports. Where did G-rev say this? It's says on their page that they'll be making an announcement of their Xbox 360 game at the TGS. Not out of question, but I've yet to see a source.

This thread's author usually forgets to give credit or name the source. He wants popularity or something. Check out Souta House for current Famitsu's contents.

2: ThirdStrike -- of course there is "NO", as you put it, 360 user base in Japan. Nor is there one anywhere outside of Microsoft headquarters.

The 360 will be a pretty different system, target-wise, than the Xbox was.

3: Anything they put out on the Xbox anything will be b/c either MS paid them, or b/c they think it'll sell well in the west (very obviously).

You forgot the most obvious one: Everybody hates Sony.

4: Isn't it official that there are no more DC games?

It is. Sega closed its DC page for forthcoming games. I announced it at Postback and Click-Stick's some weeks ago. No more DC games. Official.

5: How could G.Rev be screwing their fanbase by not releasing on the DC? People who really give a shit about (even fewer who get bent out of shape about) a non-DC release are very few and far between

Indeed.


6: Senko no Ronde is more borderliner than Metal Slug is, anyways.


7: Stay calm. I'm here just because IC mentioned this site and was interested about the "source". I'm leaving again. See you.

[df0notfound]

It's a weird decision sure but I expect the game to go multiplatform at some point. And if it doesn't...well...maybe Japan will have to learn to appreciate the Xbox for once.

What is there to appreciate ???

[Xexyz]

Wow, a tournament fighter shmup eh? The concept might sell on the 360 if the graphics are buffed up to DOA standards...

[captain ahar]

which they won't be. we're talking about Grev, can't their regular staff be counted on 2 hands (maybe less)?

alls i can say is, it better be on DC, because on jp 360, i will never be able to play it.

[neoalphazero]

which they won't be. we're talking about Grev, can't their regular staff be counted on 2 hands (maybe less)?

alls i can say is, it better be on DC, because on jp 360, i will never be able to play it.

If it's on 360 I doubt I'll get to play it. I'm doubting a US publisher will pick it up and I refuse to mod a system. I purchased a J-PS2 to enjoy it's library I see no reason to buy a J 360 anytime. *-neo

[jp]

I'll come out of retirement from here just to say this:

Xbox360 = online play. While I would love to see Senko no Ronde on DC, I think G.Rev putting it on 360 (especially if MS brings it to the US) will be one of the smartest moves they will ever make.


And as long as it isn't on a God forsaken Sony console... I'm coo.

[zakk]

I'll come out of retirement from here just to say this:

Xbox360 = online play. While I would love to see Senko no Ronde on DC, I think G.Rev putting it on 360 (especially if MS brings it to the US) will be one of the smartest moves they will ever make.


And as long as it isn't on a God forsaken Sony console... I'm coo.

Exactly. Why port it to the DC. It's a damn multiplayer game. With the 360 they get all the Live infrastucture. You'll be able to play other people from the comfort of your own living room.

[Specineff]

^^^ That's IF it comes out here. I'm guessing that due to G. Rev's stupid decision, the game will languish, unknown and unlocalized. And unplayed if not by the five people in Japan who have to have all the systems out there. Which US publisher has actually made money localizing japanese Xbox games? I don't think that Shiki 2 netted the jokers at XS games much revenue. Way to shoot yourself in the foot, G. Rev.


@ JP: There you are! Geez man. You had us worried sick. Do you know how bad my Ikaruga chain count fell because of the worry? (Two chains or three maybe. )

Seriously, it's good to see you're fine.

[Kiel]

I'm probably going to get some heat for this but do you really want games on the DC? Why? I like the system and own quite a few games for it but if the same game was available on another newer system I would get that one. Why you ask? Because I like a better sound and picture to go along with the equipment that I have to play games on thats why. I like component video and digital audio and the DC has neither of those...I'll give you the VGA support though but not all games take advantage of it though, and I dont really want to fudge around with my computer monitor either. But then again this is comming from a long time Neo Geo fan so you can take it with a grain of salt.

[Wang_MacTavish]

*IF* this true, I'm really, really surprised that G-Rev isn't doing a PS2 port. I know it's not the easiest thing to do, but still - a PS2 port would probably allow them to break even, whereas the 360 is a BIG gamble in both Japan and North America. WHERE'S MY GODDAMN PS2 PORT?!?!

Grr....

[Dave_K.]

I'm probably going to get some heat for this...

No heat here, but wanted to point out that most HDTV's support VGA input, so you are not limited to just computer monitors for DC highres output. As for sound, when was the last time you had 5.1 dolby sound in a SHMUP! Jamma spec is still mono. Naomi/AW/Type-X is stereo at best (which DC supports fine). Now if you are talking about NEW home console only shmup releases, you have a point in that its better to be released on latest consoles.

[PlasmoOrgasmO]

Okay let’s face it...it truly sucks that G-rev’s new baby is probably not going to spin in my or anybody’s else beloved DC.
But…from what I’ve heard and read so far multiplayer is what this game is all about and that means that the Xboxlive network could prove an even better home for this title than the arcade ever was. It could even mean downloadable new content (characters, music etc.).
A further positive outcome could be that by porting (emulating?) Senko to the 360 platform G-rev has now officially the tool, experience, and maybe even the money for a new 360-project…all this is of course pure speculation and to be honest I don’t really think there will be some kind of BorderDown 2 on the 360 but on the other hand I assume that developers like G-rev usually stick to the stuff they do best, namely STGs aka shmups.
My personal opinion is that shmups do have a realistic chance on the Nextgen consoles if their 2D gameplay can be successfully connected to state of the art graphics, sound, and presentation. The engine of Ikaruga (developed by G-rev I think…) is a very good example for this kind of “marriage”, playing it through a VGAbox on a monitor shows the true beauty of the ship and mecha designs.
So well…let’s just wait and see.

[iatneH]

I'm seeing many parallels to certain people moaning about the new GnG game because they don't want to buy a PSP...

I'm not super hyped about this particular game, but if by some chance 360 starts to build a respectable shooter library, then so be it, I will buy it.

Besides, what's to stop you from buying the games as they're released, and just hold onto them until an import system drops to a more affordable price? At least at that time you won't be paying through the nose for out-of-print games.