Not "Buying" Diablo III Because I Don't Like Getting Raped

[mrsmiley381]

Again, I'll just have to content myself with PSO. ^^

Honestly, this is the best answer to the Diablo rape. At least in PSO2 you can make your cahracter as manly, hipster, or adorable as you want. I made a freckled redhead robot chick. Diablo doesn't have that.

[Krimzon Kitzune]

Meh .

I have Diablo 1 & 2 to finish, anyways.

[Kaiser]

Again, I'll just have to content myself with PSO. ^^

Honestly, this is the best answer to the Diablo rape. At least in PSO2 you can make your cahracter as manly, hipster, or adorable as you want. I made a freckled redhead robot chick. Diablo doesn't have that.

Then there is a huge chance PSO2 WILL not make it overseas due the major Sega of America cuts in staff/divisions. So don't hold out your hope for it.

[mrsmiley381]

Again, I'll just have to content myself with PSO. ^^

Honestly, this is the best answer to the Diablo rape. At least in PSO2 you can make your cahracter as manly, hipster, or adorable as you want. I made a freckled redhead robot chick. Diablo doesn't have that.

Then there is a huge chance PSO2 WILL not make it overseas due the major Sega of America cuts in staff/divisions. So don't hold out your hope for it.

The beta had a huge amount of text translated by fans, actually. It's very playable, aside from the story. I'm not sure if this is going to stay so easily patched, but the open beta was a lot of fun and really easy to play.

[TransatlanticFoe]

Single player requiring being online was announced ages ago. From that point onwards I haven't given a shit about the game. At least with Steam and Origin you can sit them comfortably offline and still play your games.

[CMPXCHG8B]

Just FYI, Diablo 3 has relatively nothing to do with DRM.

IMHO, Diablo 3 is worse then DRM, but it's not DRM technically speaking.

What they've done is this- Diablo 3 is an online game, full stop. This isn't a case of some stupid protection trying to call home every 30 minutes and booting you out of an otherwise offline game if it can't.

This is a case of everything being handled on Blizzard's actual servers. The game worlds are procedurally generated and stored on their servers (downloaded as maps to your computer at play time and cached temporarily). The NPC AI is driven by their end, not yours- their servers are telling the NPC to do things and go here or there, not your computer. Most of the game logic is implemented in a similar manner.

All you get when you buy Diablo 3 is a game client (much like WoW) and a bunch of graphics/audio/animation data. That's it. The actual game is driven on their end, so when you're playing single player- you're really just entering a private room on Battle.net and playing by yourself.

Personally, I think Blizzard can go fuck themselves given this, because there's absolutely nothing in Diablo 3 that would require the game to run remotely like the way they've set it up. Absolutely everything in that game COULD be ran locally, but because Activision has turned Blizzard into a bunch of money grabbing whores- they decided to go down a very, very dark path that I'm sure other companies will soon follow.

So, yeah. It's not really "DRM", because there's nothing to crack. The only way Diablo 3 would ever get pirated is if someone actually wrote a Battle.net emulator and re-implmeneted the majority of the game logic in it, something that I highly doubt your average hex-editing hacker is going to pull off (this is the difference between patching a few bytes here and there, and actually having to go out and write hundreds of thousands of lines of code).

-CMPX

[Lance Boyle]

I really don't see why anyone would care about this.

I can't think of a single game more blatantly disrespectful of time, intelligence, skill, or aesthetic sensibility than Diablo II. It's a mindless timesink of collecting stuff for the sake of collecting stuff. This is evidently the same but worse.

EDIT: haha, didn't see the poll.

[Khan]

I'll admit it, i bought it but feel ripped off probably the worst £40 ive spent this year so far

[Despatche]

funny how no one's mentioned torchlight ii

i guess the intro really did give people nightmares

edit: i don't need mmos to "refuse to go out with friends and socialize", people already suck too much to put down any other reason

[ArmoredCore]

Don't care about it because MMO's are known to destroy lives and relationships lol. Not everyone that plays it but the majority i would say. They refuse to go out with friends and socialize, they miss work, sleep every other day etc...

[BIL]

As with so much of contemporary gaming, I couldn't care less about the game but do get some amusement from reading about its associated bullshit in offtopic.

[BryanM]

Still at the grey screen of woe step.

The only way Diablo 3 would ever get pirated is if someone actually wrote a Battle.net emulator and re-implmeneted the majority of the game logic in it, something that I highly doubt your average hex-editing hacker is going to pull off

These things already exist in a fine state of shittiness.

A "perfect" public server? Probably never. Eventually something decent will be cobbled together. For a fuzzy value of the word "decent".

[shmuppyLove]

I think, by definition, no one likes getting raped.

And if you're paying for it, it can't be rape either.

So what does that leave us with?

The least Diablo III could do is buy you a nice meal before a brief night of awkward and mutually unsatisfying coitus.

[iconoclast]

Personally, I think Blizzard can go fuck themselves given this, because there's absolutely nothing in Diablo 3 that would require the game to run remotely like the way they've set it up.

It seems blatantly obvious to me that the game is always online because Blizzard wants to have full control over the items that are dropping. As far as I know, hacks and dupes have ruined the economy in similar games, like PSO and the previous Diablos. I've only played PSO prior to D3, and hacked items were extremely common (on console, at least). Which is a major problem if you're going to allow people to sell items for real money.

[Despatche]

funny you specifically bring up pso. schthack gives me a small bit of hope that we will see a private server implementation for diablo iii someday. of course, this assumes that all those fanboys were right, that people actually will be playing this 10 or more years later. personally, i'd rather play torchlight ii, which will probably be the best diablo ii clone ever, but...

[Khan]

Yea guess they didnt want another Borderlands happening when they are so heavily relying on the income from sold items in the AH

[CMPXCHG8B]

It seems blatantly obvious to me that the game is always online because Blizzard wants to have full control over the items that are dropping. As far as I know, hacks and dupes have ruined the economy in similar games, like PSO and the previous Diablos. I've only played PSO prior to D3, and hacked items were extremely common (on console, at least). Which is a major problem if you're going to allow people to sell items for real money.

The solution to that is really simple.

You have offline characters, which play in offline mode whenever and wherever you want. Then you get a couple of multiplayer character slots, and you can start a new character in those and play the game through online (and online only). The two are totally separated and there is no synchronizing between them. It's your choice if you just want to plod through the (boring and crappy) single player campaign by yourself without an internet connection (read: offline) or actually play online, and get a character rolling that you intend on taking seriously. Heck, if they'd have done things that way, then they probably could have justified only giving everyone 2 online slots (infinite offline) and charging extra for additional characters.

The fact is that Blizzard decided to take the money grabbing easy way out. The whole game and economy they're trying to spawn around it is obviously designed to generate as much money as fast as possible, with little regard to player experience as long as you're hooked and willing to shell out above and beyond the box price.

Hell, they didn't even bother with in-game cutscenes this time, and the intro basically sucks ass (Azmodan's reveal trailer was a heck of a lot better then that random turd adorning the first launch of the game). I have no idea why they have such a massive in-house Maya team to render out awesome stuff for the trailers and pre-launch crap, when the same team basically idles the moment the game is out and done with. The least they could have done was to throw in some epic shit when you take down Azmodan, but they don't even have that.

-CMPX

[AntiFritz]

As someone who played d2 quite a bit (100% in singleplayer), I won't likely be getting d3.

I couldn't care less about having to be online to play a game, but I don't want to have to play a singleplayer game with like 300 ping and progress lost if you lose connection.

[Illyrian]

So anyway, I dunno how many people in this thread have actually played it, and how many are just whining and moaning with no experience of their own.

I have been playing it, primarily with some of my friends last night, and it's really good fun. There were 3 of us going through the game and it was very enjoyable. The enemy health and damage scales really nicely.

It's very easy at the moment, but then again until you 1cc the game (lolz) you can't choose the proper difficulty. My friends and I are gonna play it on the hardest difficulty as soon as we can.

The chaining system for extra xp is really rather good fun as well. The "always online" thing is rather annoying, but already after 1 day the login issues are fixed and it's pretty much completely lagless. Of course, there shouldn't have been any login issues in the first place.

The fact it was £45 online, was fucking ridiculous though, I sincerely hope it turns out to be worth it. The boss fights are fun too.

[ancestral-knowledge]

I'm just compiling some opinions.

You can't resell it either (activation code).

Not fully true. You can sell your account. I have sold several WoW accounts for 500-600 EUR on ebay. Diablo is the same, but formally it's a violation of terms i think.

For me, the process of buying leads to owning, which obviously doesn't apply here.

True. It sucks. You only buy a license to play... bla bla .. i think noone really owns games nowadays but i'm not sure about that...

I am also appalled by the the fact that the game features a real-world currency auction system for in-game items. That's just wrong.

This is only your opinion. And since you have absolutely no idea how it's gonna turn out since it isn't even enabled yet you can bla bla all day long. Stop speculating.

You are a complete moron if you buy such games at launch because they will be bug-ridden and will require months of fixes. Correction, YOU ARE A COMPLETE moron if you buy any new game above 40 bucks at launch.

Bullshit. After tiny little problems for 2 days everyone could play. Compare that to Gothic or other games. And there are VERY few bugs in this game. So stop telling bullshit. And the 40/60 bucks thing (depends on currency) is a general problem and not a Diablo 3 problem.

"buying"

Ahh so pirating is okay because blizzard is such a meanie right? If you think that you are fucking morons. If you don't like it (like me) then don't buy it, but don't fucking pirate it either.

I was interested in D3 but the DRM totally killed it for me. Watching people waiting in queue to play singleplayer, along with experiencing warping and lag, is reason enough to justify my decision.

Total generalization. Not true for about 95% of the people playing right now. Also please look up what DRM is since you obviously using it wrong. Look at CMPXCHG8B's post.

rape

i think this is not appropriate.... at which point has blizzard forced you to play Diablo 3 ?

you have to be online to play

true. I think this is due to the RMT feature.

[another thread] takes 7 hours to complete

bullshit. The ones saying that have obviously no idea what they are talking about.

[Ruldra]

I was interested in D3 but the DRM totally killed it for me. Watching people waiting in queue to play singleplayer, along with experiencing warping and lag, is reason enough to justify my decision.

Total generalization. Not true for about 95% of the people playing right now. Also please look up what DRM is since you obviously using it wrong. Look at CMPXCHG8B's post.

Even if it's not DRM, it's still a problem as you are still subject to lag, rollbacks, server availability, server maintenance and all the problems of online play when a lot of people (myself included) only wanted to play this offline and by themselves.

[njiska]

I was interested in D3 but the DRM totally killed it for me. Watching people waiting in queue to play singleplayer, along with experiencing warping and lag, is reason enough to justify my decision.

Total generalization. Not true for about 95% of the people playing right now. Also please look up what DRM is since you obviously using it wrong. Look at CMPXCHG8B's post.

Even if it's not DRM, it's still a problem as you are still subject to lag, rollbacks, server availability, server maintenance and all the problems of online play when a lot of people (myself included) only wanted to play this offline and by themselves.

I have to agree. I wasn't making a big fuss about online to begin with, but that was before I learned that all calculations and drops are done server side and purely to maintain the integrity of the RMAH. I've only put in about 3 hours of play, mostly by myself, and so far it's been a god damn nightmare. Lag has caused no less than one death so far and if I had been playing on Hardcore I'd have been super pissed. I'm not talking about lag making it hard to play either. I'm talking about I engage a group of enemies with full health, the game stops responding to any attack input and enemies freeze, the game comes back and I get a "You have Died!" screen. No chance at all.

Frankly I'm just extremely unhappy with my purchase at this point.

[Udderdude]

This has all the markings of an MMO launch gone bad. And it's not even an MMO.

lol Blizzard D:

[O. Van Bruce]

Some dudes on /v/ said that a group of russians are already working on building a pirate server to bypass any problem of the official servers.

[Udderdude]

If all of the enemy behaviors are server-side, I somehow doubt it's going to play the same. Unless they got a leaked copy of Blizzard's Diablo 3 server code .. which I also doubt.

[BryanM]

This is only your opinion. And since you have absolutely no idea how it's gonna turn out since it isn't even enabled yet you can bla bla all day long. Stop speculating.

No speculation is necessary. They'll make a ton of money off of money laundering.

Ahh so pirating is okay because blizzard is such a meanie right? If you think that you are fucking morons. If you don't like it (like me) then don't buy it, but don't fucking pirate it either.

The DRM is more for maintaining the sanctity of the RMT and any e-sports licenses they give out. They say and say and say they don't want to support it like an e-sport, but let's be serious here. The PvP will be more popular than Starcraft 2 by an ocean's mile.

Also please look up what DRM is since you obviously using it wrong.

So if Super Mario Brothers requires you to be connected to their servers, then that isn't managing their rights digitality? All online-only games have DRM by definition.

A difference is shades of playability; Guildwars plays "okay" at a 220ms ping. FPSes and Diablos, do not.

There are other differences that have already been brought up ad nauseam additionally.

i think this is not appropriate.... at which point has blizzard forced you to play Diablo 3 ?

Obviously not a fan of Diablo.

It is nice of you to work for Blizzard-Activision Entertainment group though. Here is a link to who your employers, in case they haven't cut you a check lately: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=ATVI+Major+Holders

[JBueno MD]

I wasn´t planning on getting it this soon, but I managed to place an order on BestBuy for the CE so you could say I lack self-control.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Voted I just don't care about the game.

For me monetisation of gameplay elements, IE the auction house just totally turns me off. I used to get angry about it, now I just don't care as there's plenty of fish in the sea

If I ignore it, and keep myself out of the loop, I won't feel as if i'm missing out on something

[PainAmplifier]

I put a lot of hours into D1 and D2 but D3...that's was a three step rejection.

Step 1: WOW-ified graphics = Do Not Want.
Step 2: Online (DRM) Requirement = Do Not Buy until it is gone.
Step 3: RMT/Auction house = KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!


I've played enough MMO's, trying out the whole FTP/PTW genre as well, so it's incredibly obvious to me how badly these things destroy a game over time. They not only destroy any fun the game may have had, they actively attract the kind of badly behaving online immature rejects that I simply will not tolerate, in huge numbers.

It's become blatantly obvious that any sort of FTP/Cash shop mechanic will inevitably strangle a game to death. All that differs is how fast it does so. I would go so far as to say that it is not only possible, but more of a certainty that Acti-Blizz has set the game up in the first place to drive everyone it possibly can to the RMT portion of the game. Not just a low drop rate, or making super low drop rate items necessary (Think WOW gear grinding) just to compete, but also actively making those items so low (or actually impossible) to drop and then filling the Auction house with that gear they generate and then sell themselves.

[Ed Oscuro]

So, yeah. It's not really "DRM", because there's nothing to crack.

What does DRM stand for, again?

Edit: Beaten by BryanM, good job!