The BIG thread of Shmup grievances.

[Randorama]

...and we've gone full circle.

Try to write down how to dodge a pattern.

Say, Ketsui, second boss, second form, first attack. The boss shoots a spread of fast bullets, the central ones are aimed at you.

What do you do? You tap, slowly, to avoid the aimed shot but also to avoid bashing into the the non-aimed, but still dangerous part of the spread.

If you can't do this exercise for each pattern, you'll die once reflexes aren't enough.

Plan, plan, plan some more, then stick to the plan when you practice. And, practice, so that you become precise and fast enough to carry out your plans.

And, don't whine, thanks.


That's 100$ for the help, btw. Paypal?

[Barrakketh]

I even saw one video where the person simply went pointblank and hypered away the first radial attack instead of dodging it for a speedkill.

I first saw that on the superplay DVDs. And I've seen videos from members on this board that do the same thing.

[Obscura]

Wow, I think I just set a new record for choking.

Was at the stage 3 boss, hasn't missed or bombed up to that point, and had both score extends. What do I proceed to do?

Die to the first pattern. Yes, seriously. When he does that pattern again, guess what I do? Die to it again.

Then, in the second form, I *almost* bomb, and then second-guess myself, thinking "dammit, I've already blown two lives, I really don't want to blow a bomb here to top it all off". Naturally, I paid with a life instead.

[O. Van Bruce]

Well, it's kind of hard with exy but bombing your way through the patterns you dislike it's the only option you may have right now. I allways bomb the 3rd stage boss last pattern, allways, just because it's 50/50 dying possibilities for me...

[Obscura]

Yeah, I spent some time tonight experimenting with the laser types, but I found I actually do worse with them for survival (although A-L actually seems really good for score; a lot of areas that are usually hard for me to chain suddenly become a lot easier when I don't have to worry about accidentally killing shit).

The problem I run into with A-L is that I die once, get stuck with a pea-shooter for shot, and then those "extra" bombs get used in spots that I'd have no problems getting past with no bombs if I was using Exy. At that point, I might as well just use Exy and be done with it.

[CptRansom]

My whining for today: I can kill shit in save states/stage select with no problem, then fall apart in full runs each and every fucking time. I'm frustrated to the point of quitting this entire genre.

It goes like this:
I practice stage 4 a couple times - NMNB.
I practice stage 4 boss a couple times - NMNB.
I practice stage 3 a couple times - NMNB.
Stage 3 boss a couple times - NMNB.
Stage 5 more than a couple times- NMNB.
Stage 5 boss for a fucking hour straight until I get NM and a couple planned bombs a few times in a row.
OKAY I'M READY FOR SOME FULL RUNS.

Three to four hours of full runs later and I've died somewhere in stage 2-4 at least twice on each and every run (don't even get me started on the clusterfucks that usually happen in stage 5). I mean, I understand that shit happens on full runs, but when I can very obviously do these things separately, why is putting them together such a fucking pain in the ass for me? It's beyond frustrating and I'm still on the verge of throwing in the towel even after taking a couple days to cool off. Fuck shmups. I guess I'm just not hardcore enough for this shit. /ragewhiningbitchinggoingtogoreadandwritemoreorplaysomefuckeasyrpgsbecausethat'sapparentlyallmyscrubasscanhandle

inb4igetmadefunof

fuckspacebars

While a fucking casual would just walk away

^Yup.

[wiNteR]

My whining for today: I can kill shit in save states/stage select with no problem, then fall apart in full runs each and every fucking time

I have had this happen to me number of times too and I don't think it is merely a perceived effect. Nervousness is the most obvious reason that comes to one's mind. But there are other reasons why this sort of thing has happened to me.

1) If the rank variations in the game are quite high and you are practicing the part at the lower rank, the practice might not prove to be very useful.

2) I think once you practice the same part many times, you develop some sort of pattern for handling it. But once you move away and start practicing other parts the 'precise' way to handle the original part is forgotten (both in terms of plan and muscle memory). By precise I mean both the precise movements and how to recognize and react to different scenarios that may occur.

I don't know what the exact solution to it is though!

[CptRansom]

I have had this happen to me number of times too and I don't think it is merely a perceived effect. Nervousness is the most obvious reason that comes to one's mind. But there are other reasons why this sort of thing has happened to me.

1) If the rank variations in the game are quite high and you are practicing the part at the lower rank, the practice might not prove to be very useful.

2) I think once you practice the same part many times, you develop some sort of pattern for handling it. But once you move away and start practicing other parts the 'precise' way to handle the original part is forgotten (both in terms of plan and muscle memory). By precise I mean both the precise movements and how to recognize and react to different scenarios that may occur.

I don't know what the exact solution to it is though!

I know it isn't the first one. I'm very careful to make save states or get the settings on stage select to be where I am at on average in those places. Hell, I often set the things that will affect rank higher than usual just so I can be used to it if I'm kicking ass on a full run so I don't get caught off-guard.

I think it's a mix of #2 and just being nervous in general. I put myself under probably way too much pressure when I start doing full runs. Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix that either (or else I'd obviously do it).

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Have you tried using savestates less? Beating an arcade game in one solid run does take a bit of stamina, and that's the sort of thing you have to work at to develop, so it may be better to cut back a bit on savestates except for those "what's the trick to it?" patterns you're learning.

You could also try pausing the game between levels (assuming you have the option like on console ports) to take a minute's breather? Treat each level like you're going through it in practise, go through it in your head and remember trouble spots etc.

[O. Van Bruce]

^best solution for game stress is actually putting your mind through the same level of it over and over again.

[Captain]

radio zonde

last boss

second form (or phase, but not attack)

ITS RAEPING ME.

[O. Van Bruce]

radio zonde

last boss

second form (or phase, but not attack)

ITS RAEPING ME.

lol... how can you be grieving about that?! you're playing Radio Zonde seriously... you're awesome just by doing that damnit

[Obscura]

I'm totally in the same boat as Ransom right now. I've been focusing on savestate practice for about the last week and a half, but going back to full runs, I always manage to turn them into a clusteruck *somewhere*.

For some reason, my deaths seem to be contagious. I never die just *once*; I die, then die like 2 or 3 more times in fast succession (and, no, not always in the same locations). I think I'm getting my "mental rhythm" thrown on the first death- my mind is frequently on "how did I manage to fuck that situation up? there goes any promise that run had" rather than "what do I need to be doing, right now?"

[Illyrian]

One thing I've previously tried doing is to do bomb straight away after I die. This performs 2 functions:

1. Let's you grab powerups without danger
2. Gives you a few extra seconds to focus your mind and forget the death

It seriously helped me back when I started playing.

[Captain]

lol... how can you be grieving about that?! you're playing Radio Zonde seriously... you're awesome just by doing that damnit

Really?

It's just that I beat the whole damn game to get to the final boss then lose on the second phase.

It's completely opposite of Hellsinker

[XoPachi]

This may be small and I know I'm going to get trolled, but I'm really getting sick of this loli craze. Even Gradius succumbed to it. It's just kind of embarrassing to play perverted games on a TV when someone can come in and hear Ray'N squealing like she's...having fun or someone conveniently walking in as you choose Diol Twee. And yes, the voices do annoy me also. I miss strictly machines and/or creatures to be honest, but that's me.

[O. Van Bruce]

This may be small and I know I'm going to get trolled, but I'm really getting sick of this loli craze. Even Gradius succumbed to it. It's just kind of embarrassing to play perverted games on a TV when someone can come in and hear Ray'N squealing like she's...having fun or someone conveniently walking in as you choose Diol Twee. And yes, the voices do annoy me also. I miss strictly machines and/or creatures to be honest, but that's me.

I feel your pain... I mainly play on the library of my University and it's somewhat complicated with those voices. But it's minimal if you use headphones... the problem is when you are watching anime or reading manga and, suddenly, pantyshot...

anyway, it's all the rage now in japan so there is nothing we can do about it... blame the japanese otaku.

[matrigs]

the problem is when you are watching anime or reading manga and, suddenly, pantyshot...
anyway, it's all the rage now in japan so there is nothing we can do about it... blame the japanese otaku.

wait wat ?

so you are deliberately watching a typical service anime like nyarko-san and you are blaiming japanese otaku for panty shots ?

oh man.

[O. Van Bruce]

the problem is when you are watching anime or reading manga and, suddenly, pantyshot...
anyway, it's all the rage now in japan so there is nothing we can do about it... blame the japanese otaku.

wait wat ?

so you are deliberately watching a typical service anime like nyarko-san and you are blaiming japanese otaku for panty shots ?

oh man.

I'm not blaming then... the problem is that it's difficult to watch those shows on the library of my university XD... It's my problem, I know it XD... Anyway, I'm watching it (and that's a figure of speech since I haven't watched any anime this week and the last) just for the lulz of Chtchulu universe in a moe manga.

[matrigs]

i felt much more embarrassed watching k-on on my laptop in japan and being laughed at by underage schoolgirls.

oh and making out with the love plus girls on the early train in the morning is always super fun.

but to be on topic - i have to admit i never launched burunyanman with anyone still being in the house.

[O. Van Bruce]

oh and making out with the love plus girls on the early train in the morning is always super fun.

you really did that? I can't even imagine how did you feel on a moment like that

but to be on topic - i have to admit i never launched burunyanman with anyone still being in the house.

lol... gotta try it XD any translation patch?

[Chaos Phoenixma]

Just lost another Power Style 1-All of DoDonPachi DaifuCrapsu 1.5 because the game is a broken mess.


DFK is easily the worst game in the entire damn series doing pretty much everything wrong.

[dunpeal2064]

I suck at this game, so this game sucks.

[Sapz]

the game is a broken mess.

Care to expand on this?

[Chaos Phoenixma]

The truly broken stuff is in the second loop where getting hit on bosses makes it so you pretty much have to bomb several times due to the undodgable crap from the bosses or is effectively a game over with power style cause you'll start to chaindeath.


I'm more complaining about how this is the only Cave game outside of Futari 1.5 Maniac where the extend is set way too high. At least on 1.5 Maniac for Futari, I guess it'd be reasonable to actually get it though. I can get the first extend on stage 1 if my chain doesn't get broken, but outside of that it's just way too hard to score well enough. I can't even rely on getting high hit count of the stage 2 midboss or something because the laserballs seem randomize. The stage 3 midboss can kill a run easily cause dying to it means normal midbosses on Stage 5 instead of the Ura ones.


It's not necessarily actually broken outside of the second loop bosses(which also applies to Black label Strong and makes that mode not fun either), but it's just a very unrewarding game. I can enjoy Black Label Bomb and Power because it's a rewarding game.

Oh, and if I could get that second extend, a 1-all with Power would mostly be a nonissue.


Another complaint: While the 360 d-pad seems fine for most other games on the system, it just doesn't work well with it for me.

[Paradigm]

I suck at this game, so this game sucks.

Pretty much sums up 99% of Chaos Phoenixma's posts.

Bosses are too hard waaaaahhhhhh!
Extends are too high waaaaahhhhhh!

DFK is fine, you're a broken mess.

[trap15]

I suck at this game, so this game sucks.

Pretty much sums up 99% of Chaos Phoenixma's posts.

Bosses are too hard waaaaahhhhhh!
Extends are too high waaaaahhhhhh!

DFK is fine, you're a broken mess.

QFT

[Chaos Phoenixma]

Not even close. DFK is probably one of the only ones I excessively complain about, and it's more about how the game just is(second loop at least). Most of my other "complaints" are either not serious or just about that a run went wrong or something, which is more complaining that I screwed up and not so much about the game itself. The scoring complaints isn't even serious. A game can be like that and still be good, but I'd much rather learn DDP or DDP DOJ chaining any day over DFK chaining(and I don't care for those systems either), yet I don't complain about them. The second loop boss patterns or something like DS MBL level 999 boss patterns are very much legitimate complaints about a game. The second loop DFK bosses wwhere you have to cancel stuff with specifically timed Hypers aren't what the series is about; they may be fair, but it's still not a fun thing to have no chance to dodge.




Oh, and at least I don't just attack someone for just posting about runs that went wrong.


And so I suck at some games. So does pretty much almost everyone else. The whole purpose of this thread is pretty much to complain about your derp runs or mistakes or something going wrong outside of your control(when it is the case), etc. Attacking someone for trying to vent some frustration at a game in a thread designated for that isn't acceptable.


I've cleared some stuff harder than this and got close on some others, so it's not like I can't do it, but still part of this thread is to post complaints. If this isn't acceptable for whatever reason, then why does the thread still exist?

[trap15]

The problem with the way you complain though, is you complain about the game being bad for X reason, even though it's just 'bad' because you suck at it.

[Giest118]

The fact that you need to perfect entire stages to get the second score extend is a legitimate complaint with DFK. If you claim that you DON'T need to perfect entire stages to get it, you are wrong. A 2-all is literally easier to get than that second score extend. Oh, what's that? You don't believe me because you've memorized the game so hard that you get the second score extend in your sleep? I'VE GOTTEN A 2-ALL WITHOUT GETTING THE SECOND SCORE EXTEND. This was not a challenge to myself. I just played the game, and I got a 2-all before I figured out how to get the second score extend. This should not happen.

Having said that, DFK is still a huge amount of fun. It just has a REALLY unbalanced scoring system.