Suicide Bullets: Anti Sealed Game Defence Force

[kernow]

If someone buys a truckload of manure to eat with his own money, I see no problem.

It's the same with transformers, and rightly so. If I had the money to collect I'd prefer to buy AFA MISB versions instead of them because they hold their value, I'd never plan to open them anyway.

What do you call a Transformer that you can never transform?

An action master? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Action_Master

[kernow]

So is anyone going to unseal any actual rare titles or are you just going to semi-not-prove-your-point by opening common ones no-one cares about.

Come on, I want to see someone open something and lose thousands of dollars in the process, or is it different then?

If some moron is going to pay me $17,000 for a sealed game you're damn right I'm selling it instead of making a youtube video. Any of you lot would also.

This thread is not about reason. As such, your posts will be ignored, just like this, this and this.
Because fighting crazy with stupid is much cooler.

[Skykid]

This thread is not about reason. As such, your posts will be ignored, just like this.

Glad that finally sunk in.

The channel isn't primarily about taking the shrinkwrap off of games. If anyone has access to a shrinkwrap machine, give me a call. That's when the good times start.

[PurpBullets]

I work in a place with a shrink wrap machine...
but I am not even about to waste my time trying.
The machine I work with could do it,
but you would have to manually do each flap, and take time to make it look legit.

I think you would need an over wrapper, like these
http://www.solstice-inc.com/UsedPackagingEquipment.htm

[shmuppyLove]

Yeah shrinkwrap is really a different type of material than the usual cellophane you find new games wrapped in. After heat it applied to it, it becomes almost brittle and has a very 'crackly' texture to it.

Also shrinkwrapping leaves a very distinctive seam along two of the edges where the plastic has been heat-sealed.

I'm sure there's lots of info about this on that Sealed Games Collectors forum

[BIL]

All about dat Y-FOLD baby

[BareKnuckleRoo]

It's the same with transformers, and rightly so.

Not really. Most Transformers I've seen are boxed in clear cases, so you know what it is you're buying, and can examine it, therefore making it much less likely you'll be sold a fake or something. A sealed videogame's contents can't really be verified without opening it and is basically just asking for scammers to replace the contents and reseal the cellophane in such a way that makes it impossible to tell, which makes the ludicrous price inflation that much more ridiculous (would you buy a used car without being able to verify it runs, or buy a house without an inspection?).

[RGC]

A sealed videogame's contents can't really be verified without opening it and is basically just asking for scammers to replace the contents and reseal the cellophane in such a way that makes it impossible to tell.

Again, if verification without opening really is impossible and the collector has no intention of (a) ever removing the shrink-wrap, and (b) selling it on to a non-SGC, does it really matter what's on the disk? Surely the lesson is that collectors should always buy sealed, and gamers should always buy opened. Everyone's happy.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Again, if verification without opening really is impossible and the collector has no intention of (a) ever removing the shrink-wrap, and (b) selling it on to a non-SGC, does it really matter what's on the disk?

Are you implying it'd be alright to sell 'sealed' crap so long as the collector never opens the box and discovers it's crap...?

[Skykid]

Again, if verification without opening really is impossible and the collector has no intention of (a) ever removing the shrink-wrap, and (b) selling it on to a non-SGC, does it really matter what's on the disk?

Are you implying it'd be alright to sell 'sealed' crap so long as the collector never opens the box and discovers it's crap...?

Sounds like the perfect crime.

Anyone up for a group buy?



"The TS2002 is a state-of-art fully automated high speed overwrapping machine for CD, DVD, Blu-Ray, XBox, PlayStation and Nintendo Video Games and now wraps Digi-Tray! Increase your production significantly with this 55 case per minute heat seal overwrapper. The TS2002 High Speed Wrapping Machine professionally wraps Jewel Cases, Amaray Cases, Slim Line Cases, Video Game packs, Video and Audio Cassettes, Cosmetics, Perfume, small Pharmaceuticals and more!"


Game on. I'm off to find a copy of Stack-Up.

[RGC]

Only if selling to serious collectors, then sure why not? It'll keep them happy, plus you'll be quids-in. Sounds like a win-win as long as the reseal is high qual.

That last bit's pretty important.

[Drachenherz]

Again, if verification without opening really is impossible and the collector has no intention of (a) ever removing the shrink-wrap, and (b) selling it on to a non-SGC, does it really matter what's on the disk?

Are you implying it'd be alright to sell 'sealed' crap so long as the collector never opens the box and discovers it's crap...?

Sounds like the perfect crime.

Anyone up for a group buy?



"The TS2002 is a state-of-art fully automated high speed overwrapping machine for CD, DVD, Blu-Ray, XBox, PlayStation and Nintendo Video Games and now wraps Digi-Tray! Increase your production significantly with this 55 case per minute heat seal overwrapper. The TS2002 High Speed Wrapping Machine professionally wraps Jewel Cases, Amaray Cases, Slim Line Cases, Video Game packs, Video and Audio Cassettes, Cosmetics, Perfume, small Pharmaceuticals and more!"


Game on. I'm off to find a copy of Stack-Up.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Only if selling to serious collectors, then sure why not? It'll keep them happy, plus you'll be quids-in.

There goes my faith in humanity.

[Drachenherz]

Humani- what?

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Oh right, silly me, I should have lost it long ago.

[RGC]

I wasn't actually condoning it, just asking why not?

[Skykid]

Oh right, silly me, I should have lost it long ago.

I lost it when I saw that Mario Galaxy 2 graded and for sale at $250... with several offers on it. Are these people fucking retarded or what?

http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/4-/102961 ... fer=search

[drauch]

Yeah, it's especially absurd seeing assholes with current-gen games sealed--and especially graded! I remember Retrolamer showcased some dolt with his collection of sealed Gamecube and Wii games! uhhhhhh.

[Jeneki]

My sealed collection of older MMOs, none having servers anymore, is still a chick magnet and gets me laid all the time.

[Skykid]

Many thanks to mrsmiley381, your contribution made 3 nice videos. Enjoy your shmupping dude.

I haven't forgotten shmuppy's Omega Boost and I have Drago's permission to host his Ikaruga unsealing too.

The channel's getting quite nicely populated now, keep 'em coming.

[nZero]

Again, if verification without opening really is impossible and the collector has no intention of (a) ever removing the shrink-wrap, and (b) selling it on to a non-SGC, does it really matter what's on the disk?

Legality. Serious note – you're legally responsible for anything you post here.

Be careful. Personally, I wouldn't post anything on these forums that could be construed as an intent to commit mail fraud.

[Casey120]

I don't collect sealed games because I tend to play them and it would be a waste of space .

I reckon some "sealed games" already are resealed games because it's hardly rocket science to make it close to original but it probably takes some more investment to make it perfect , with those prices it's bound to happen sooner or later just like the recently discovered Neo AES fraude .

What's up with the grading recently , I see non sealed games offered on ebay for a lot more just because some self appointed expert had his eye on it , put it in a shitty box with a grade level .
I bet these "graders" are laughing there ass off all the way to the bank .

[Skykid]

I don't collect sealed games because I tend to play them and it would be a waste of space .

I reckon some "sealed games" already are resealed games because it's hardly rocket science to make it close to original but it probably takes some more investment to make it perfect , with those prices it's bound to happen sooner or later just like the recently discovered Neo AES fraude .

What's up with the grading recently , I see non sealed games offered on ebay for a lot more just because some self appointed expert had his eye on it , put it in a shitty box with a grade level .
I bet these "graders" are laughing there ass off all the way to the bank .

They are indeed, and yes, people are paying graders so they can inflate their prices. However I must admit, I can't be too adverse to grading in general. It happens with comic books and other rare antiquities that some 'trustworthy' body gives something a bona fide standard of condition. If anything it just indicates videogame collecting is becoming more widespread.

Paying these guys to grade sealed games is the most pointless thing in the world however, since they can't examine anything except the shrinkwrap, so it's purely a ruse taken on by sealed game idiots to further inflate their prices. They also should be refusing to grade games that aren't of a certain age, but obviously they're just happy to take the ca$h.

As for fraud, hundreds of sealed game collectors have been defrauded already. Just by the number of sealed games surfacing on ebay it's a given. The first two videos I did were for amateur reproductions of videogames, and they were sealed as professionally as one could wish for. There's nothing stopping that guy from taking any old snes game and giving it the same treatment.

[Casey120]

Maybe I will just collect sealed game boxes but without any games in it !

[Udderdude]

Pfft, who cares about the games? It's all about the sweet, sweet plastic.

Mmm. Plastic.

[Gus]

I'm not really getting all the hate for sealed game collecting. No, I don't do it and I do think it's really dumb but at the end of the day it's just another kind of collecting hobby like stamps and lunchboxes. People who pay thousands just for a layer of plastic are idiots but it's they're money and if they stumbled upon your channel I'd reckon they're more likely to think "what dumbasses" than to suddenly see the error of their ways. Besides that, I really don't see a whole lot of difference between what loads of people do here of playing shmups only for a cheesy clears then shelving the game and coming here to bitch about it/claim you love it and just keeping it in its plastic. Either way, you're still only getting a very superficial type of enjoyment rather than discovering and relishing in all the depth the designers worked hard to create.

[Skykid]

Besides that, I really don't see a whole lot of difference between what loads of people do here of playing shmups only for a cheesy clears then shelving the game and coming here to bitch about it/claim you love it and just keeping it in its plastic. Either way, you're still only getting a very superficial type of enjoyment rather than discovering and relishing in all the depth the designers worked hard to create.

Bravo. I've oft seen people try to reprise hackneyed points by weeding them into completely non-related discussions, but never with such incredible lameness.

I don't know whether to post an image representing a round of applause or beating a dead horse.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

lol

But then [Gus] did admit [he] enjoyed trolling Shmups Chat

[Gus]

It's a serious point. If one of your main arguments for why it's so horrible is that games are meant to be played and that you'd feel insulted if someone never bothered trying to appreciate all those details you worked hard programming in then why don't you also feel insulted that the majority don't give a fuck about all that scoring depth you spent those long nights working on? If that analogy hits a little close to home then how about those stamp and lunchbox collectors? Why don't you go after them too for also keeping those items shelved away rather than using them for their intended purpose?

[BareKnuckleRoo]

because that's not what this thread is about, duh

Besides, you're acting like the high scores forum is dead or something. Newbies to the genre will obviously not stick with one game for long; they're going to try out a whole bunch of different games naturally if shmups are new to them. It's not like they won't eventually come back and try out scoring, and I certainly don't think it's encouraging for newbie 1ccs to be treated like shit just because the score's not great; survival for someone not used to arcade shmups isn't exactly easy as it is, not counting aiming for a high score. You'd do a better job by congratulating them and then encouraging to aim for a high score on the leaderboard or something. You seem to think people 1ccing games and never playing them again is some kind of epidemic.