The BIG thread of Shmup grievances.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

.. and why does the counter go pink and count backwards sometimes and other times it just drops without counting back?

Why even bother worrying about scoring when you can't even play the games you have for survival? I mean, isn't DFK way harder to even 1-ALL than Futari 1.5 is to 1cc?

[mesh control]

If you're outside of a hyper, without a full hyper meter, your chain will drop slowly if the gauge is emptied.
If you're outside of a hyper with a hyper ready to go, your chain will entirely vanish if the gauge is emptied - this is in exchange for the chaining multiplier you gain in this state.

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Did not know this!

I mean, isn't DFK way harder to even 1-ALL than Futari 1.5 is to 1cc?

Not really, unless you're playing for score.
strong mode makes the game pretty easy until stage 5, where you actually have to memorize stuff

[Erppo]

I'm not going to explain how scoring works from the ground up because people have already done that a billion times in various threads and people are probably bored of it by this point.

You score by cancelling bullets with the hyper.

[DrTrouserPlank]

.. and why does the counter go pink and count backwards sometimes and other times it just drops without counting back?

Why even bother worrying about scoring when you can't even play the games you have for survival? I mean, isn't DFK way harder to even 1-ALL than Futari 1.5 is to 1cc?

Because i don't see survival and scoring as two separate, exclusive and apposing objectives.

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Thanks for the other responses.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Not really, unless you're playing for score.
strong mode makes the game pretty easy until stage 5, where you actually have to memorize stuff

So DTP's probably not going to clear it and will inevitably complain about how it's impossible. Again.

[RNGmaster]

So you're just going to create your own path through the "impossible" laser-rings, is that it? Admit it, you're never going to clear that spot unless you look at a skilled replay and see how better players handle that section.

I like how you've changed your tone, though - you're not saying that certain sections are impossible anymore, you're just too lazy to learn how to do them. Nice to have some honesty here.

[Aliquantic]

So you're just going to create your own path through the "impossible" laser-rings, is that it? Admit it, you're never going to clear that spot unless you look at a skilled replay and see how better players handle that section.

Eh, you don't need a replay if you merely want to get through that area... observation will do it, and since it's DFK 1.5 you can afford a couple of autobombs/hypers to get through the trickiest bits. You'd probably want to look at a replay to get consistent at chaining them optimally, but saying "you're never going to clear that spot" otherwise? I don't think so.

[Illyrian]

I learned the laser rings through my own experimentation.

1. Sticking to the left side of the screen - didn't work
2. Going far right immediately - didn't work
3. Sitting in the middle then going top right as quickly as possible - does work pretty well
4. Going down, then up right, then top right - works every time

I'm only talking about the first section of lasers, but I certainly didn't need a replay to figure it out.

[DrTrouserPlank]

So you're just going to create your own path through the "impossible" laser-rings, is that it? Admit it, you're never going to clear that spot unless you look at a skilled replay and see how better players handle that section.

I like how you've changed your tone, though - you're not saying that certain sections are impossible anymore, you're just too lazy to learn how to do them. Nice to have some honesty here.

I probably spend more time playing these games than anyone here in return for a very small return on my time invested. The suggestion that I "can't be bothered" is obviously not true. If I couldn't be bothered I would have given up long before now.

[Chaos Phoenixma]

Although I have not gotten to it yet on any difficulty in a full run with either ship, the final attacks of Judgment SilverSword in area 31, I just have no idea how that's supposed to be handled.

The default ship's final attack seems easier, and I'm planning to do Normal 1cc with it sometime , though I'm not anywhere near close to being able to do it.

The final attack you get with the secret ship on Hard, just how do you do it? Does anyone know of a vid of how to handle it? I thought I was close to a Hard 1cc with the secret ship, but then I saw this thing.

Edit: I just game overed to it. 3 lives is not enough that for that attack.

[Deca]

If I couldn't be bothered I would have given up long before now.

You did.

[DrTrouserPlank]

If I couldn't be bothered I would have given up long before now.

You did.

Last time I checked I was still here. I play these games to some extent every day. Several hours a day when I'm trying to achieve something or am working towards something. I've had a few complete meltdowns in the past and not touched a shmup (or any other game) for several months, but this has been a fairly lengthy sustained period of shmup play one way or another. Granted it's not been the same game (THE, UD, DFK) but aside from the Futari days, this is probably the longest I've consistently stuck with the genre.

My dedication really shouldn't be in question. I've stuck with these games far longer than most would in the absence of results but I still just get abuse here. It's a shame really. The people who actually are pro-gains here and not just elitist tossers ought to realise that what I do, how I play and what I want doesn't make me very different to them; despite the venom that they frequently direct at me.

[mesh control]

troll

[Deca]

You don't enjoy playing anymore and you've convinced yourself that all you can do is fail. You gave up when you stopped being attitude for gains.

Oh and if you hadn't noticed yet this "elitist tosser" just posted specific advice for early hyper activation in dfk 1-1 in reply to your whining in the strategy thread.

[dunpeal2064]

I probably spend more time playing these games than anyone here

You Troll

[mesh control]

why bother responding with long statements anymore? just shoot him a l2p and walk away.

[Drachenherz]

why bother responding with long statements anymore? just shoot him a l2p and walk away.

Here you go...

[dunpeal2064]

why bother responding with long statements anymore? just shoot him a l2p and walk away.

That, I can't argue with.

[DrTrouserPlank]

You don't enjoy playing anymore and you've convinced yourself that all you can do is fail. You gave up when you stopped being attitude for gains.

Oh and if you hadn't noticed yet this "elitist tosser" just posted specific advice for early hyper activation in dfk 1-1 in reply to your whining in the strategy thread.

I didn't call you an elitist tosser. Let's make that clear straight away before I even read the rest of the replies.

Sorry if I gave you that impression.

Edit. Read the rest of the responses. All I can say is that it's very disappointing

I'm not going to argue with people here because I don't believe in it, certainly not on these terms. I won't engage in the personal insults that others are so ready to dispense. Indeed it is the mark of a desperate individual who responds that way. Even when I try to engage in a relatively constructive manner the replies are coloured more by the poster than the content.

I'm sure some of you are decent people really, but these discussions don't portray you in the most favourable light.

I have no ill-wishes towards you, even those of you whose responses I find utterly unpalatable. The hatred (genuine personal hatred) and vitriol aimed at me however is something else entirely.

[O. Van Bruce]

Isn't it somewhat easier to get through the rings if you reserve a Hyper for the most difficult parts? I've allways used one to get through the "first rings" and stick to the right side of the screen to destroy every possible thing before they shoot.

It's almost the same on the "third rings", the last before the second midboss.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

[Gus]

I'd seriously buy a DTP "Greatest hits" collection. This man is a fucking genius.

[O. Van Bruce]

I should seriously practice my english more... and reread what I write...

Back on topic, DTP, your reap what you sow. After all the whiny threads and posts you have done and most importantly after showing that attitude of "you guys are either Otaku with no life or genetically brewed shmupers" and "I can't clear the games because they aren't made to be cleared unless you are from the above said races"... What do you want us to think? what do you want us to say?

There are other users on this forum who are noobs like you... hell, i'm even a noob myself if I consider the amount of my achievements, but no one of then have your attitude toward shmups.

You know my posture... If it were for me, I wouldn't even answer your posts anymore, it's useless with your attitude. This forum just keep answering because... well, I don't know, maybe because they want to clear the GREAT BOREDOM DAISAKUSEN...

Maybe if people ignored you completely you would quit shmups, and that's the best for you given your attitude, or you will swallow all the useless whining and start getting real.

[Gus]

Except DTP actually is closer to the truth than not. To most people who aren't genetic freaks, if you wanna get good you're gonna have to make stage grinding as much a part of your daily routine as showering or eating breakfasts. I tend to play a minimum of 5 hours a day, sometimes going as high as 10. This is what you casuals don't understand. Few people are simply born to be good. You need to work hard to earn it. DTP is one of the few people here who understands this and yet he gets hated for it. Never change, shmups forum.

[AntiFritz]

Except DTP actually is closer to the truth than not. To most people who aren't genetic freaks, if you wanna get good you're gonna have to make stage grinding as much a part of your daily routine as showering or eating breakfasts. I tend to play a minimum of 5 hours a day, sometimes going as high as 10. This is what you casuals don't understand. Few people are simply born to be good. You need to work hard to earn it. DTP is one of the few people here who understands this and yet he gets hated for it. Never change, shmups forum.

It doesn't take 10 hours a day practice to 1cc dfk though.

[Gus]

DTP claiming DFK 1.5 Strong 1-ALL and Futari 1.5 Original are difficult is obvious troll bullshit and I'm not defending that.

[Icarus]

Except DTP actually is closer to the truth than not. To most people who aren't genetic freaks, if you wanna get good you're gonna have to make stage grinding as much a part of your daily routine as showering or eating breakfasts. I tend to play a minimum of 5 hours a day, sometimes going as high as 10. This is what you casuals don't understand. Few people are simply born to be good. You need to work hard to earn it. DTP is one of the few people here who understands this and yet he gets hated for it. Never change, shmups forum.

Who are you calling a genetic freak?

An eyecatch from Mouretsu Space Pirates says it best:



Just simply "grinding" - brute-forcing without a plan - isn't going to get you anywhere. That is what you people don't seem to understand.

[O. Van Bruce]

Except DTP actually is closer to the truth than not. To most people who aren't genetic freaks, if you wanna get good you're gonna have to make stage grinding as much a part of your daily routine as showering or eating breakfasts. I tend to play a minimum of 5 hours a day, sometimes going as high as 10. This is what you casuals don't understand. Few people are simply born to be good. You need to work hard to earn it. DTP is one of the few people here who understands this and yet he gets hated for it. Never change, shmups forum.

Hahahahaha... well, I don't need to play 5 hours a day to get my 1cc's. It's the same for most of the people of this forum. Just playing 1 or 2 hours a day with a possitive attitude and regularily is enough.

And if I ever feel like aiming for the max score it would be when I'm good enough to get the first loop of Ketsui or Dai Ou Jou without dying. Step by step i'm improving. Have fun freezing at the top, I prefer to stay on the warmer slopes and with some company to chat.

[Marc]

5-10 hours a day? If getting good is that important to you I'm honestly speechless. Enjoy being the best at a niche genre, I'm sure it will bring you happiness and fulfillment.

[Paradigm]

5-10 hours a day? If getting good is that important to you I'm honestly speechless. Enjoy being the best at a niche genre, I'm sure it will bring you happiness and fulfillment.

You're not getting it.

I'm pretty sure Gus doesn't play these games so much just so that he can come here and show off about it. It's more likely because he enjoys playing long sessions and seeing his own progress. If you play for ten hours a day rather than say, two hours a day, it's a no-brainer that you will see much faster progress, and chasing higher scores is what's most satisfying about these games.

Just because something's a hobby, that doesn't mean you should feel ashamed for spending a lot of time on it. I'm sure there are plenty of people who practice guitar for hours a day as a hobby, for example.

I can see why some people take offense to some of his posts, but I find it ridiculous that on a forum devoted entirely to this niche genre, Gus actually gets stick for being a dedicated player. Maybe all of those top Japanese players who spend hour after hour, day after day in arcades practicing should all just 'get a life', play for 30 mins a day max and cheese as many 1CCs as possible so they can quickly move on to the next. At least they'd be accepted on shmups forum.