The BIG thread of Shmup grievances.

[Zengeku3]

Crimzon Clover, you sure were fun until your TLB.

I wish I'd have known 50 hours ago what was waiting at the end of the game, so I wouldn't have wasted my fucking time. After hours of practice, I can safely say that I can never beat this guy, no matter how much I practice, no matter how perfect the run up to him is.

You wish that you had known that a tough challenge was awaiting you so that you didn't 'waste' 50 hours on something that you found fun? That sounds illogical. Don't discard everything just because you can't beat the TLB.

I can't beat Hibachi in DOJBL but I still have a great time playing the game even if I can't get a 2-ALL on it with my current skills.

[Gus]

Scores don't matter
Enjoyment doesn't matter
It's all about racking up as many cheesy, easy clears as possible. Such is the Shmups forum philosophy.

[DrTrouserPlank]

Scores don't matter
Enjoyment doesn't matter
It's all about racking up as many cheesy, easy clears as possible. Such is the Shmups forum philosophy.

Scores do matter, but scoring when you are unable to clear the game is a self-limiting endeavour.

[Hagane]

I always play for score from the start. Having to relearn the game once you've cleared it seems like a waste of time IMO. Plus I have more fun that way.

[Legendary Hoamaru]

I always play for score from the start. Having to relearn the game once you've cleared it seems like a waste of time IMO. Plus I have more fun that way.

Definitely agree, especially on the bolded part.

[dunpeal2064]

Scores don't matter
Enjoyment doesn't matter
It's all about racking up as many cheesy, easy clears as possible. Such is the Shmups forum philosophy.

Scores do matter, but scoring when you are unable to clear the game is a self-limiting endeavour.

But, if you cleared the game without scoring as much as you can, then you aren't even really clearing the game, assuming it has any kind of rank. You are just wasting time that could be better spent imo. I cleared Futari 1.5, but it was not close to my highest score. If I scored as much as I could, I might not be able to defeat that same boss.

Or... you could just smoke a joint and smile at the pretty colors, take things a bit easier

[Marc]

Scores don't matter
Enjoyment doesn't matter
It's all about racking up as many cheesy, easy clears as possible. Such is the Shmups forum philosophy.

Pretty caustic post, which you seem to do a lot.

What you consider cheesy or easy varies wildly by skill level. You mentioned in another thread what your preferred method is for a 'ten hour session'. Guess what, I haven't had a ten-hour session of anything since I was 18, and probably won't again. You're undoubtedly better at these games than me or many others (as you never, ever, fail to insert into a post) on these boards, but is there really any need to be such a stuck-up, self-congratulatory fuck about it?

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Pretty caustic post, which you seem to do a lot.

Stop having fun, guys!

But, if you cleared the game without scoring as much as you can, then you aren't even really clearing the game, assuming it has any kind of rank.

So, clearing something like Ibara that has a punishing rank system without maxing it out by going for point items is a complete waste of time? Guess I'm playing wrong!

[dunpeal2064]

Only if you think that scoring at all is a waste if you can't clear it

Of course, most advice towrads DrTP would not apply to the rest of the forum, as most people can figure out how to enjoy video games on their own.

[Marc]

Pretty caustic post, which you seem to do a lot.

Stop having fun, guys!

But, if you cleared the game without scoring as much as you can, then you aren't even really clearing the game, assuming it has any kind of rank.

So, clearing something like Ibara that has a punishing rank system without maxing it out by going for point items is a complete waste of time? Guess I'm playing wrong!

Not just wrong, you don't deserve to play it full fucking stop you cheating, loser bitch. It never fails to amaze me that the self-proclaimed hardcore seem to miss the point that, if there's a ranking system that can be maximized to make the game more difficult, then it can also be managed the other way for those less skilled - and the folks designing the games fucking knew it, otherwise, the difficulty would simply increase irrespectively of your method of play.

[dunpeal2064]

Yikes.

I was just making a funny toward DrTP, no reason to take it as if you are playing the game wrong

Yuo are playing Ibara? Then you are doing it right!

however, I am pretty sure YGW himself said that Rank was to munch dem yen. Could be wrong about that though.

[Marc]

Yikes.

I was just making a funny toward DrTP, no reason to take it as if you are playing the game wrong

Yuo are playing Ibara? Then you are doing it right!

however, I am pretty sure YGW himself said that Rank was to munch dem yen. Could be wrong about that though.

If people are playing shmups, then they should be welcomed, no matter what the skill level and what the question. Probably took your post out of context - sarcasm doesn't work well on the internet, but some of the attitudes on here are astounding.

[DrTrouserPlank]

Scores don't matter
Enjoyment doesn't matter
It's all about racking up as many cheesy, easy clears as possible. Such is the Shmups forum philosophy.

Scores do matter, but scoring when you are unable to clear the game is a self-limiting endeavour.

But, if you cleared the game without scoring as much as you can, then you aren't even really clearing the game, assuming it has any kind of rank. You are just wasting time that could be better spent imo. I cleared Futari 1.5, but it was not close to my highest score. If I scored as much as I could, I might not be able to defeat that same boss.

Or... you could just smoke a joint and smile at the pretty colors, take things a bit easier

I play for score though, but I was making the point that being able to clear the game is also important otherwise your score is limited by how far you can get rather than how heavily you can score.

[dunpeal2064]

Thats true. I suppose it makes a huge difference depending on what game you are playing.

Some games give you a huge amount of points for the clear, and some give you opportuniy to aquire most of your score through the stages.

Heck, you have never cleared Futari 1.5 Orig, but you have scored higher than I ever have. So, in that case, clearing it isn't really what is holding me back from scoring.

Of course, at a certain point, clearing it would be required to score higher. But when you start looking at things like that, then you could also say that if you can't No Miss the entire game, then you are losing out on possible points that you coud not otherwise obtain, especially in cases like Futari, where bombing once will affect your score permanently. (And, depending on the mode, also introduce you to another boss!)

[Ed Oscuro]

ITT: people responding to a seven-month veteran's social commentary and history of the forum (and I don't mean BareknuckleRoo)

[RNGmaster]

tvtropes link

I'm so sorry. I will save you from the tropers, I promise.

That thread name might not be safe for work though :V

[BareKnuckleRoo]

feels like I've been told I'll be saved from all dem toehoes and I'm shown a shitty euroshmup, lol

[RNGmaster]

feels like I've been told I'll be saved from all dem toehoes and I'm shown a shitty euroshmup, lol

It's a bad place full of bad people. Bad people with no sense of humor and no ability to accept criticism.

I used to rather like it, since I think there's something in all of us which enjoys categorizing things, but as I saw the wiki become more and more a shrine to gushing and a haven for lolicons and japan-ignorant weeaboos alike, I started to lose my enchantment. Then they locked the Sonichu page because it was "too negative". I just couldn't be around people who were so intent on removing every trace of negativity. The wiki claims to be a tool for writers and fiction creators, but since they don't have the balls to say that "this is a bad idea" people go around think "the more tropes the better" and they create huge fucking shitpiles (ever seen anything in "Troper Works"?)

I want to stop other people from going down the road of TVTropes, because when I was a young weeb it did no favors for me or my appreciation of fiction. It certainly made me more obnoxious.

/derail

For grievances, I have to say that I hate how two of my favorite shmups penalize restarts. In Hellsinker you have to select your settings every time you start a run, and Galuda 2 is not fun to restart if you're pulling off the coin trick. I guess the trick is not to restart but... :V

[mesh control]

i hate that I'm a scrub and now Gus and RNG are playing Galuda 11 and i can't score because I'm drunk playing guitar

[BareKnuckleRoo]

tl;dr

It's a mildly amusing site that, like most, has both funny/interesting shit and retarded shitfest drama on it. I don't think you should take anything like that on the internet too seriously. Edit: I guess you thought I might be super active in editing there or something; I don't participate other than browse it occasionally.

On topic, games with scoring systems where fucking up one or two key scoring areas murders your score makes me rage. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to reliably get the train in stage 2 of Giga Wing to use its fireball attack twice (so many bullets to reflect!) like I've seen in scoring replays instead of wasting time most runs with that crappy shockwave arc thing before timing out and running off. Do I need to delay killing the rest of the train or something? It it entirely down to luck? Gah.

[RNGmaster]

I just don't want more innocent people to become tropers, is all.

i hate that I'm a scrub and now Gus and RNG are playing Galuda 11 and i can't score because I'm drunk playing guitar

I'm playing it in my mind right now - I just touch the disc, turn my eyes skyward, and imagine.

[mesh control]

if only i had good acid...

[Ed Oscuro]

tvtropes link

I'm so sorry. I will save you from the tropers, I promise.

That thread name might not be safe for work though :V

tv tropes is where bad ideas go to die, and for me to watch and laugh as it happens.

Seriously, writer's resource? Ha ha ha! I have thought before "seeing this idea used this way, would it be a good idea to use it in a story?" and the answer is always no, god, NO

[Gus]

and Galuda 2 is not fun to restart if you're pulling off the coin trick. I guess the trick is not to restart but... :V

You mean the tutorial gem glitch? There really isn't much point in doing it unless you're trying to end stage 1 with 65m or more. You can easily score in the neighborhood of 50m without it.

[Cellinaire]

Any enemies in any shmup that shoot bullet within the point-blank range.

[Hagane]

Kill them before they get to point blank range.

[RNGmaster]

and Galuda 2 is not fun to restart if you're pulling off the coin trick. I guess the trick is not to restart but... :V

You mean the tutorial gem glitch? There really isn't much point in doing it unless you're trying to end stage 1 with 65m or more. You can easily score in the neighborhood of 50m without it.

Are there any replays of that that aren't on Live?

[Gus]

and Galuda 2 is not fun to restart if you're pulling off the coin trick. I guess the trick is not to restart but... :V

You mean the tutorial gem glitch? There really isn't much point in doing it unless you're trying to end stage 1 with 65m or more. You can easily score in the neighborhood of 50m without it.

Are there any replays of that that aren't on Live?

Found this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGavlzNXQhE

[DrTrouserPlank]

I think I'm pretty much done with Under Defeat. I can't improve my score because I can't get a clear. I can't get a clear because the run never comes together, frankly its nowhere near to happening based on where it ends on most runs. I can clear all of the levels in practice and I can't really get any better at them, but 3 lives is just never going to be enough to do all 5 back to back.

It kind of highlights the problem in general. I can clear stages and practice isn't going to make me any better, yet I still can't clear the game. Not really sure what you're meant to do in that situation. It's a different case when you can't clear a game because you can't clear a stage/boss, but when you can actually beat all the levels it seems like the ultimate dead end.

I'm playing it less and less because I'm only repeating what I already know and can't learn how to do it any better.

[dunpeal2064]

It can take a lot of runs to get that perfect one. Even once you know it all.

All there is to do is push forward and keep trying, or give up.