Gas prices where you live.
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dave4shmups
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And better for our foreign policy-maybe then we can just pull the hell out of the Middle East and let them solve their own problems. It's what most of the people there want anyway.circuitface wrote:i believe its about 3.40 here or something in Az. They claim that the pipeline broke again. I'm calling BS on that one.
Personally i see this as good. I hope more people start buying hybrid and electric cars and just say goodbye to gasoline. Better for the air.
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dave4shmups
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Well, the oil companies in this country have all the power as far as what we use to fuel are cars is concerned.landshark wrote:Yes. It's incredible isn't it?superhitachi4 wrote:Agreed. Stupid government must be looking for a depression, because that's where they're diverting our economy. Keeping the salaries low, and raising everything else...HMMM that's a good way to keep people happy, and working. Heh.
Salaries are most DEFINITELY not going up in this country. Bush keeps ranting about how he's creating new jobs. New jobs of what? $4.50 walgreens jobs? Walgreens is the only thing that keeps getting built up around here.
Gas prices are going up and like someone said, we *HAVE* to drive to work to make money to pay for gas. Most americans don't have the option of public transportation because everything is so spread out. It's also quite difficult to get housing near your job because housing in many cities can be ridiculously high priced ($700k condos?).
I also don't live near enough people to carpool with. And carpooling in itself is a problem because I usually do not go home after work so that would screw those who I pooled with.
And property prices are skyrocketing. My job just moved another 6-7 miles away so I gotta tack that onto my commute. I can't afford to move closer because of the property values. If I move, the only direction I can move is further west (which is the opposite direction of my job) to hope to find places for $300k-$350k.
With our level of technology, there is simply NO reason why we should still be powering our cars with gas, the fumes of which pollute our air, and the money of which goes to such level-headed, secular and democratic nations as...Saudia Arabia.


But, every administration, including this one, has been content to climb into bed with the oil industry, so as long as that's the case, nothing major will ever change. We need an administration that is willing to develop and put to use renewable energy resources, while also focusing on re-training oil company employees to work in the field of renewable energy. For #$%#$%#!@#'s sake, if some guy can run his car on frickin' corn oil, or whatever, then we CAN do better.
So often when I hear the wind blow out here in Denver or see a sunny sky, it just simply disgusts me that we are not taking more advantage of the clean and useful energy sources that God has blessed us with.
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I paid 2.76 / gallon on wednesday, and it is $2.99 / g here on friday at most places, I saw a $3.06 today......
You want instant relief, call your senator and demand that taxes be recsinded (sp???????) on gasoline/petrol (i love to say petrol,hashahahahhahahahahaha) and see what happens....
I am tore up off of my ass tonight, so don't mind meeeeee
happy labort day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You want instant relief, call your senator and demand that taxes be recsinded (sp???????) on gasoline/petrol (i love to say petrol,hashahahahhahahahahaha) and see what happens....
I am tore up off of my ass tonight, so don't mind meeeeee
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I'm starting at a new college as well...unfortunately, I'm a commuting student.russ wrote:Good thing I just started college, I won't be driving much (live on campus).

But dang, what timing.
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$3.00 to 3.50 around here...
Classic Muscle cars are pretty bad with gasoline.
Ugh..I would use peanut butter for fuel if I knew I could still get the 325 horses my engine produces.
Gas prices really won't effect my desicions from building a stronger more powerfull motor, even though the new engine will use MORE gas. (My classic isn't daily driven, but still)
My opinion is that, gas prices will continue to rise until the price reaches its "maximum limit". Which is the amount people will refuse to pay.
Classic Muscle cars are pretty bad with gasoline.
Ugh..I would use peanut butter for fuel if I knew I could still get the 325 horses my engine produces.
Gas prices really won't effect my desicions from building a stronger more powerfull motor, even though the new engine will use MORE gas. (My classic isn't daily driven, but still)
My opinion is that, gas prices will continue to rise until the price reaches its "maximum limit". Which is the amount people will refuse to pay.
This is a gas price wakeup call america desperately needs.
In Europe, we pay prices that make your $3.99 look like the pocketchange it really is. Our gas is not only more expensive, but more expensive relatively speaking with everything else, our mythical public transport to get us to work is largely just that, so we have to use cars because we also can't afford to live near our places of work.
America, I'd like you to meet the real world. This is a place where oil is not infinite, and neither is the planets ability to cope with it. I'm no eco-warrior, but at the same time I realise that if I had to commute 50 miles to and from work each day, I wouldn't need a V8 truck to do so. I found something interesting recently which kind of illustrates what I'm trying to get at.
There's a European Ford car, called the Focus. It's an excellent car, very well thought of and apparently popular in the US too, now that it's been brought to market. In Europe, the engine sizes range from 1.4L to 2.0L. In the US, they are all 2.0L or 2.2L. Why in a country where your speed limits are actually lower, and you have to drive more miles, are you only getting the models that are less economical and faster than you can use anyway? It's all broken, and needs fixing.
In Europe, we pay prices that make your $3.99 look like the pocketchange it really is. Our gas is not only more expensive, but more expensive relatively speaking with everything else, our mythical public transport to get us to work is largely just that, so we have to use cars because we also can't afford to live near our places of work.
America, I'd like you to meet the real world. This is a place where oil is not infinite, and neither is the planets ability to cope with it. I'm no eco-warrior, but at the same time I realise that if I had to commute 50 miles to and from work each day, I wouldn't need a V8 truck to do so. I found something interesting recently which kind of illustrates what I'm trying to get at.
There's a European Ford car, called the Focus. It's an excellent car, very well thought of and apparently popular in the US too, now that it's been brought to market. In Europe, the engine sizes range from 1.4L to 2.0L. In the US, they are all 2.0L or 2.2L. Why in a country where your speed limits are actually lower, and you have to drive more miles, are you only getting the models that are less economical and faster than you can use anyway? It's all broken, and needs fixing.
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I stuck a big sailboat sail on top of my car today. It didn't work very well though.dave4shmups wrote: So often when I hear the wind blow out here in Denver or see a sunny sky, it just simply disgusts me that we are not taking more advantage of the clean and useful energy sources that God has blessed us with.

I know people speak of supply/demand and such as the reason price goes up.
I paid $3.49 for 93 yesterday (it was $3.29 for regular).
There is an oil spill in Mississippi, and the price goes down to $3.09 today. Why? Supply went down.
I agree, not everybody needs to be driving a V8, etc... But it's become dangerous to drive small cars around here since there are so many large vehicles.
And the amount of semi trucks on the road is quite scary. THere are numerous accidents every day involving semis where I live. If you are in a small car in one of those accidents, you are dead.
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It's true that a lot of people in the U.S. drive these completely useless cars that get horrible milage. (Hummer anyone?) Who the hell needs to drive a tank to work every day? BUT, and this is a big BUT: the current minimum wage where I live is $6.00 U.S. per hour. Gas is like $4.00 a gallon here now... It's difficult to find an older car (we're not all rich enough to buy a new one...) that can get decent milage to drive to work. (most of the U.S. is layed out with lengthy express ways, and very spread out) I have a Tempo, and it gets roughly 28mpg, which is considered good milage over here heh. There's practically nothing as far as public transportation goes. (heh...NO trollies where I am) Car insurance in New York is outrageous as well...then combine this with the new gas prices, and car maintenance. You're basically working to buy gas to drive to freaking work again. (a lot of people anyway) Just because someone charges a high price for something doesn't make it right. I've heard water was 5 bucks a bottle a while back at Woodstock. Does that make it right? WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF WATER. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF GAS! PANIC MODE. OH SHIT! Please. It was there ONE fucking year ago at less than half the price. It didn't disappear in a year. Our governments like to bend us over the sink simply because it puts a smile on their faces. I find it irritating when people say "Good, America deserves it." No one deserves it. Not Europe, not America. Everyone wake up.

I don't know if it's the marketing or our historical ignorance, but Americans buy vehicles based on image and power. Bigger = better, and many see economy cars as something for poor people or pussies. (Keep in mind I'm not criticizing hobbyists like Twitch here, as they are a minority and not a big issue. I'm talking about people who think they need a Ford Expedition or Dodge Durango to drive to the office everyday).bloodflowers wrote:Why in a country where your speed limits are actually lower, and you have to drive more miles, are you only getting the models that are less economical and faster than you can use anyway?
The most ironic part is that most people don't even come close to using their full power. Back when I first started driving, I had an '86 Camry, and I drove faster than most other people on the road. I don't know the specs of that thing, but I'm sure it's pretty anemic compared to the average car on the road. Americans buy big engines, only to use them at a fraction of their capacity (yet insist that a 1.5L engine just isn't powerful enough).
And speaking of old small cars, this whole gas thing should not be a surprise, and we should have been much better prepared for it. After the energy crisis in the 70's, cars kept getting smaller out of practicality. However, once prices started going back down, we kind of just pretended that never happened and started driving oversized boats again.
Not that 22.1 mpg is anything great, but it still shows we're going in the wrong direction. Given technological advances, fuel economy should be much greater today. And I'm not blaming the engineers, I'm blaming the consumers.Wikipedia wrote:Overall fuel economy for cars and light trucks in the U.S. market reached its highest level in 1987, when manufacturers managed 22.1 mpg. The average in 2004 was 20.8. In that time, vehicles increased in size from an average of 3,220 pounds to 4,066.
What monopoly? The US is primarily an oil importer, not exporter. We import oil from Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Nigeria, Iraq, Angola, Algeria, Ecuador, the UK, Colombia, Brazil, Norway, Kuwait and Chad, in descending order of quantity, and barely break even on usage, refinery and pipeline capacity. We'll take oil from anybody, any way we can get it, at any price. The US is a horrible drain on the world's oil, but nobody has a monopoly, and the exporters are just as eager to sell as the US is to buy. We keep a (surprisingly small) stockpile, but that's just good sense. In countries where oil is their primary export (Venezuela comes to mind), gasoline is literally pennies a gallon.Elixir wrote:Love it how america has the monopoly on gas. The burning oil rigs are going to shoot the prices up even more.
Edit: I just noticed you said 'america', not the US, but I doubt you were actually making that distinction.

I filled up about a week ago on the relatively inexpensive $2.74/gallon [which marks the first time it's cost $30 to fill my Civic!!], only to see $3.99 last Friday!
Kiken says I must've been mistaken, but I like to think I can read... it's back down to a "cheap" $3.49 now, though 


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Public Transport makes me cry alittle inside, I never use Public Transport much anymore only when I have no choice.bloodflowers wrote:This is a gas price wakeup call america desperately needs.
In Europe, we pay prices that make your $3.99 look like the pocketchange it really is. Our gas is not only more expensive, but more expensive relatively speaking with everything else, our mythical public transport to get us to work is largely just that, so we have to use cars because we also can't afford to live near our places of work.
I live in a village and it takes just 10 minutes to arrive in town, for a single it costs about £170 for a return its about £3.20
I can catch a train (from town) and travel double the distance for less
A year or two a single was £0.80p and a return was about £2.25p.
While in town you could catch the bus from the trainstation(top of town) and it would take you from there, now you have to pay 50p just for it to take you to the other side,then you have to catch a separate bus to your destenation.
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i agree.bloodflowers wrote:This is a gas price wakeup call america desperately needs.
In Europe, we pay prices that make your $3.99 look like the pocketchange it really is. Our gas is not only more expensive, but more expensive relatively speaking with everything else, our mythical public transport to get us to work is largely just that, so we have to use cars because we also can't afford to live near our places of work.
America, I'd like you to meet the real world. This is a place where oil is not infinite, and neither is the planets ability to cope with it. I'm no eco-warrior, but at the same time I realise that if I had to commute 50 miles to and from work each day, I wouldn't need a V8 truck to do so. I found something interesting recently which kind of illustrates what I'm trying to get at.
There's a European Ford car, called the Focus. It's an excellent car, very well thought of and apparently popular in the US too, now that it's been brought to market. In Europe, the engine sizes range from 1.4L to 2.0L. In the US, they are all 2.0L or 2.2L. Why in a country where your speed limits are actually lower, and you have to drive more miles, are you only getting the models that are less economical and faster than you can use anyway? It's all broken, and needs fixing.
oh and about the wages..
minimum wage here in sweden = $0
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Actually, it doesn't work that way. There must be some other reason. Basic economic principles say that when supply goes down, demand goes up and as a result, the price goes up.landshark wrote: I paid $3.49 for 93 yesterday (it was $3.29 for regular).
There is an oil spill in Mississippi, and the price goes down to $3.09 today. Why? Supply went down.
Bloodflowers, I couldn't agree with you more about America's car buying. Undamned has a Ford Focus, and I didn't know it was that fuel-efficient. I may consider that. What kills me are the people who buy SUVs for no reason whatsoever and complain about gas prices. Serves them right. I remember 15 years ago when people had SUVs and actually drove them off-road and went camping with them. If you're a soccer mom, just get a station wagon for Bob's sake.
With all this crap going on, I really hope it does encourage innovation. Oil isn't that scarce of a fuel afterall, and I've read that the world is continuously creating it, as opposed to what was previous believed about "fossil" fuels. Nevertheless, hopefully people will get sick of this and go with a cheaper, cleaner fuel.
That reminds me of a Keanu Reeves movie called "Chain Reaction" that shows possibly how far oil companies could go to surpress the emergence of another fuel. It's an interesting conspiracy movie, if you don't mind watching Keanu movies.

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Sorry Greg. That was the point I was trying to make, but I had a punctuation error. I should have written "Why, when supply went down?" instead.greg wrote:Actually, it doesn't work that way. There must be some other reason. Basic economic principles say that when supply goes down, demand goes up and as a result, the price goes up.landshark wrote: I paid $3.49 for 93 yesterday (it was $3.29 for regular).
There is an oil spill in Mississippi, and the price goes down to $3.09 today. Why? Supply went down.
This is why I was confused. The supply went down and so did the price, which goes against the supply/demand principle. My bad
