Futari stage 3 harder than stage 5

[Illyrian]

As the title suggests. I think stage 3 of Futari is harder than Stage 5 on original mode. This is both in 1.5 and Black Label.

The second half especially seems much harder than stage 5, the last 30 seconds before the boss and brutal beyond it's 3rd stage place.

Am I right or am I wrong?

[Vyxx]

First half is pretty easy, after the mid boss though it gets pretty tough, for me anyways (Maniac mode). Stage 4 is much easier.

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

It has its moments of strong difficulty and then stage 4 is like a bliss reward for passing 3. Stage 5 has more of a constant difficulty but less spikes, other than when you fight the final boss. Nothing on the Black Label original or maniac is really too difficult though, I wish they were harder.

[TLB]

While I agree that the first half of the stage (which has a bullet-cancel enemy every ten seconds or less, by the way) is retardedly easy, I disagree that the second half of the stage is significantly more difficult.

The midboss is a piece of cake in Original and Maniac, owing largely to the fact that you barely ever have to move. The second half of the stage simply involves a couple lines of barely-aimed-spread enemies and the occasional large arthropod, which somehow both manage to baffle players everywhere (except Japan) (even though the large arthropods in the second half of the stage are just the same as in the first half, and no panicking is needed).

The boss is only difficult if you haven't devised a path for each attack...which is easy to do, since it switches patterns often, and no pattern becomes especially difficult before the change.

It has its moments of strong difficulty and then stage 4 is like a bliss reward for passing 3.

Not in (1.5) Maniac mode, sonny.

[Skykid]

Nick FFS, not another Futari thread!

Put it in the main Futari thread.

FUTAAAARIIIAGH!

(And yes, possibly it is.)

[BareKnuckleRoo]

I used to think stage 3 was super hard, but now I can regularly no miss & no bomb it up to the boss even with a weaker shot type like Palm Normal. As has been mentioned, the first half of the stage has a ton of bullet cancel stuff and the midboss is a joke. Really, once I practised and learned the second half of stage 3 I discovered being aggressive about killing the woodlouses actually makes it fairly easy (also helps to memorise where the large green bugs with the tight 3 way + arc shots are, to kill them before they fire). I honestly have more trouble with stage 4 now because I haven't worked on it enough.

[DrTrouserPlank]

Stage 5 is much harder; specifically the part before you enter the palace, the palace itself and of course Larsa.

The woodlouse of stage 3 and the boss are possibly worse than stage 4 and it's boss, seeing as stage 4 is easier to stream back and forth compared to the woodlouse shots which need to be misdirected and run around.

[TLB]

Stage 5 is much harder; specifically the part before you enter the palace, the palace itself and of course Larsa.

The woodlouse of stage 3 and the boss are possibly worse than stage 4 and it's boss, seeing as stage 4 is easier to stream back and forth compared to the woodlouse shots which need to be misdirected and run around.

Which mode of this game are you speaking of in particular, sire?

[DrTrouserPlank]

Stage 5 is much harder; specifically the part before you enter the palace, the palace itself and of course Larsa.

The woodlouse of stage 3 and the boss are possibly worse than stage 4 and it's boss, seeing as stage 4 is easier to stream back and forth compared to the woodlouse shots which need to be misdirected and run around.

Which mode of this game are you speaking of in particular, sire?

1.5 original.

[TLB]

Stage 5 is much harder; specifically the part before you enter the palace, the palace itself and of course Larsa.

The woodlouse of stage 3 and the boss are possibly worse than stage 4 and it's boss, seeing as stage 4 is easier to stream back and forth compared to the woodlouse shots which need to be misdirected and run around.

Which mode of this game are you speaking of in particular, sire?

1.5 original.

In that case, the key parts of this post regarding stage 3/4 only refers to 1/3 of the game. Perhaps you should specify that you mean the easy mode that everyone clears in a few tries and ignores afterward.

[JOW]

FFS another Futari thread - are trolling the haters

And the answer to the OP is a resounding NO

Stage 5 is much harder

...even TrollTrousers can't bring himself to agree

In Original 1.5 I'd say stage 3 and 4 are of similar difficulty though.

The point about stage 3 and 4 has been raised repeatedly. It surprises me that so many people's brains cannot cope with the fact that a game may not have an entirely linear relationship between stage progression and difficulty. What's wrong with a game having ebb and flow as long as there is a suitable finale? (which of course stage 5 and Larsa are).

[Illyrian]

Nick FFS, not another Futari thread!

Put it in the main Futari thread.

FUTAAAARIIIAGH!

(And yes, possibly it is.)

I think this is a discussion important enough to have its own thread!

[TLB]

FFS another Futari thread - are trolling the haters :lol:

And the answer to the OP is a resounding NO

Stage 5 is much harder

...even TrollTrousers can't bring himself to agree :wink:

In Original 1.5 I'd say stage 3 and 4 are of similar difficulty though.

The point about stage 3 and 4 has been raised repeatedly. It surprises me that so many people's brains cannot cope with the fact that a game may not have an entirely linear relationship between stage progression and difficulty. What's wrong with a game having ebb and flow as long as there is a suitable finale? (which of course stage 5 and Larsa are).

I must ask: Did you actually read the thread, or did you just assume that "this is another 'Futari thread', which was never a problem when it wasn't harming my religion but now it is because I've seen other people say it" and post?

I've shown you the differences quite clearly (barring a detailed explanation of stage 4, which is unnecessary, since everyone says they know it well enough to clear it):

While I agree that the first half of the stage (which has a bullet-cancel enemy every ten seconds or less, by the way) is retardedly easy, I disagree that the second half of the stage is significantly more difficult.

The midboss is a piece of cake in Original and Maniac, owing largely to the fact that you barely ever have to move. The second half of the stage simply involves a couple lines of barely-aimed-spread enemies and the occasional large arthropod, which somehow both manage to baffle players everywhere (except Japan) (even though the large arthropods in the second half of the stage are just the same as in the first half, and no panicking is needed).

The boss is only difficult if you haven't devised a path for each attack...which is easy to do, since it switches patterns often, and no pattern becomes especially difficult before the change.

It has its moments of strong difficulty and then stage 4 is like a bliss reward for passing 3.

Not in (1.5) Maniac mode, sonny.

QED.

It surprises me that so many people's brains cannot cope with the fact that a game may not have an entirely linear relationship between stage progression and difficulty. What's wrong with a game having ebb and flow as long as there is a suitable finale? (which of course stage 5 and Larsa are).

The fact that you were literate enough to prepare this response disappoints me, since it is largely nonsense. Not only is it nonsense, but you've not provided any evidence for your claim. You just asserted a strong opinion out of the blue with the expectation that anyone reading it ought to believe it as religion. (Which would be fine, if you had been right.)



(Which you were not, no offense.)

[wariomona]

Stage 5 has Larsa,
Stage 3 does not.
CLOSE TOPIC

[Illyrian]

Obviously i'm not including the bosses numpty balls!

[Nick420]

I find stage 4 Maniac a severe struggle, stage 3 and 5 are, to me, much easier. Stage 4 and the stage 4 boss is what is preventing me from clearing that game. I especially find scoring tough in stage 4. Damn those mf'ing moths! I play with reco, ive seen people make the stage 4 boss look so easy with palm. I've been tempted to switch a few times but then that just feels like learning the game all over again.

[TLB]

Stage 5 has Larsa,
Stage 3 does not.
CLOSE TOPIC

lol, right?

Obviously i'm not including the bosses numpty balls!

Then I don't know what the fuck you're including, lol. If you have some kind of perceived difficulty with Original mode, it's because you are seriously lacking in some kind of basic stg skill.Seriously. You are not even close to being in the minority here, either, so I hope that knowledge comforts you and allows you to become great.

I find stage 4 Maniac a severe struggle, stage 3 and 5 are, to me, much easier. Stage 4 and the stage 4 boss is what is preventing me from clearing that game. I especially find scoring tough in stage 4. Damn those mf'ing moths! I play with reco, ive seen people make the stage 4 boss look so easy with palm. I've been tempted to switch a few times but then that just feels like learning the game all over again.

Here we have it from a member whose nickname many of you hiplets would scoff at, especially with no ironic avatar or signature to assure you that, yes, it is ironic, and yes, he plays an obscure kind of game that you've probably never heard of that involves getting hit by power pellets (can you guess what this is?).

Yet, he is clearly in control of a greater part of the game than you are...He has given you his very experienced opinion, but will you stop to see the difference and question your opinion (which is based on clearly less expertise of the item in question), which might lead you to agree with him?

[JOW]

@TLB

Which assertion did you have trouble with:

• My direct answer to the OP
• My opinion that Stage 3 and 4 are of similar difficulty in Original 1.5 (and not a strong assertion as it was hedged with "I'd say")
• My opinion that Stage 5 and Larsa are a suitable finale?

...these are not dogmatic - just based on my own experience.

I appreciate that I provided no evidence but this was done for the sake of brevity and the love of inflammatory statements

[DrTrouserPlank]

This thread is becoming very weird I must say.

[TLB]

@TLB

Which assertion did you have trouble with:

I'll tell you.

• My direct answer to the OP

No.

• My opinion that Stage 3 and 4 are of similar difficulty in Original 1.5 (and not a strong assertion as it was hedged with "I'd say")

Yes. There is no "ebb and flow"--3 is easier than 4, which is easier than 5. I don't know why you would believe in this pattern of "ebb and flow" unless you believed that 3 is harder than 4...which is not the case.

• My opinion that Stage 5 and Larsa are a suitable finale?

It was missing something.

...these are not dogmatic - just based on my own experience.

I appreciate that I provided no evidence but this was done for the sake of brevity and the love of inflammatory statements :D

Evidence of 3 being at all difficult would be lovely :)

[Rex Cavalier]

Stage 5 has Larsa,
Stage 3 does not.
CLOSE TOPIC

/thread

[Illyrian]

Obviously i'm not including the bosses numpty balls!

/unthread

[JOW]

Evidence of 3 being at all difficult would be lovely

...I could provide evidence that Stage 3 may be harder or as hard as 4 - but I won't as it's not important to the main point of my argument:

Many posters around here perceive that Stage 3 is harder than 4 (for evidence, check out the OP). This is oft coupled with criticism that the difficulty curve is uneven and this is a fault with the game - I disagree with the principle that anything other that a linear difficulty progression is wrong.

[Illyrian]

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I simply said that stage 3 is harder than stage 5. Never mentioned stage 4. Ever. At all.

[Skykid]

I thought it was pretty much commonly recognised that stage 3 was trickier than 4? It's been mentioned loads when discussing f.original's uneven difficulty bumps. I've even seen top scorers strategically bomb the stg3 boss but not the 4th, and stg3's 2nd half is probably harder than any single section in stg4's entirety. 4 has fast bullets and more of them, but I always found it had a uniformity that's easier to handle than that bastard last stretch of 3.

[JOW]

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I simply said that stage 3 is harder than stage 5. Never mentioned stage 4. Ever. At all.

Understood Those comments weren't directed at you and there's nothing wrong with that opinion in any case

I don't have a beef with people that think it's a problem either - I just don't agree with them.

[TLB]

I thought it was pretty much commonly recognised that stage 3 was trickier than 4? It's been mentioned loads when discussing f.original's uneven difficulty bumps. I've even seen top scorers strategically bomb the stg3 boss but not the 4th, and stg3's 2nd half is probably harder than any single section in stg4's entirety. 4 has fast bullets and more of them, but I always found it had a uniformity that's easier to handle than that bastard last stretch of 3.

I guess it's necessary to repost this...again. Why not try going past what you believe is "commonly understood" (because among those with more knowledge on the subject, your belief is not "commonly understood") and make an informed decision yourself?

I've shown you the differences quite clearly (barring a detailed explanation of stage 4, which is unnecessary, since everyone says they know it well enough to clear it):

While I agree that the first half of the stage (which has a bullet-cancel enemy every ten seconds or less, by the way) is retardedly easy, I disagree that the second half of the stage is significantly more difficult.

The midboss is a piece of cake in Original and Maniac, owing largely to the fact that you barely ever have to move. The second half of the stage simply involves a couple lines of barely-aimed-spread enemies and the occasional large arthropod, which somehow both manage to baffle players everywhere (except Japan) (even though the large arthropods in the second half of the stage are just the same as in the first half, and no panicking is needed).

The boss is only difficult if you haven't devised a path for each attack...which is easy to do, since it switches patterns often, and no pattern becomes especially difficult before the change.

It has its moments of strong difficulty and then stage 4 is like a bliss reward for passing 3.

Not in (1.5) Maniac mode, sonny.

QED.

If you've got trouble with the lame little spread-enemies in the second half of stage 3, it's because your stg skills are lacking on a basic level, not because the game is difficult.

[Erppo]

I have no idea why the second half of stage 3 is such a newbie crusher. I never have much trouble with that in Original/Maniac, while stage 4 usually has one stupid death somewhere.

The God/Ultra version of that is a different story though since the multi-directional shots of the rolling thingies make it tricky.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

it's because your stg skills are lacking on a basic level

It might be more conducive to helping people improve at the game to suggest strategies you'd recommend for getting through the woodlouse section of stage 3 than simply taking an elitist tone. It's certainly a step up in terms of difficulty from many other stage sections of the game after all, and it's understandable to see how the combination of aimed bullets and spread shots can overwhelm people there who don't realize it's all aimed.

[TLB]

it's because your stg skills are lacking on a basic level

It might be more conducive to helping people improve at the game to suggest strategies you'd recommend for getting through the woodlouse section of stage 3 than simply taking an elitist tone. It's certainly a step up in terms of difficulty from many other stage sections of the game after all, and it's understandable to see how the combination of aimed bullets and spread shots can overwhelm people there who don't realize it's all aimed.

It's not an elitist tone. It is required to give all players a similar perspective on expected basic skill levels. See Erppo's completely unresistant agreement above.